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Putin will rather drop nukes than concede defeat therefore Ukraine should surrender and anyone who disagrees is a warmonger.
posted 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors +5 / -7

Did I get that right?

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– Ep0ch 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You missed the conclusion.

Yes the odds Russia uses nukes are absolute. Pause. On the eventuality it is forced to retreat. Almost 100% inevitable on that conclusion. There is a margin of if it collapses internally prior. But that is almost counter intuitive. It would eat bugs historically first.

Ukraine cannot lose either on the forgone conclusion it is forcing Russian withdrawal. It is being armed and increasingly to beat Russia.

Making the use of nukes in the highest probability.

There is only peace if Ukraine ceeds territory. It however is 100% not prepared to do to so, not even marginally. Not even the Crimea.

Therefore it must be defeated first. Pushing the odds of nukes into a certainty.

Or what are you going to pull out of that hat? A peace deal presumably. Much further off. In the meantime there is only escalation. It is becoming blundered into.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -6 points 3 years ago +1 / -7

There is only peace if Ukraine ceeds territory.

Bullshit. Putin can stop the war tomorrow by getting his troops the fuck out of Ukraine.

Why are Putinlovers always pretending that this is somehow not possible?

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– Ep0ch 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

Yawn, have you been dropped on your head?

Why should Russia, stop, and in its own sovereign territory?

Not happening. Could the West do the same? But you're a fucking SJW. Go picket outside Guam. Go on. Grab your placard and tell America to get lost. Tell it to fuck off Guam and everywhere else American like the Ukraine. Perhaps you should ask it instead, why all of our stuff will get vaporised? Why does Ukraine make all of our stuff on the entire Planet, things of real value like our economies, Ukraine made them. America hasn't, but Ukraine has, would you look at that. Because all of our stuff is getting vaporised if Ukraine loses. I mean all of it. You Zelenskyyy lover.

So what makes you think Russia will give up the Crimea, or anywhere else Russian? It's what you're suggesting. Russia can just go home. Because America can't, and that's because Ukraine makes everything. Everything is made in the Ukraine, or it will just have to get vaporised, if it loses any of our stuff, like the economy to Russia. God damn it. Vaporise it.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -5 points 3 years ago +2 / -7

Why should Russia, stop, and in its own sovereign territory?

What? If I declare your ass to be my sovereign territory would that give me the right to fuck it?

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

You dumbass. You don't get it.

There is history, they speak same language, they had sane culture for a very long time.

Besides they voted Russian, didn't you? You're a rapist. No. They voted for peace so Ukraine would stop shooting them. See how that works, it hasn't. But they voted for Russia to protect them. It has the nukes.

Who cares what Ukraine calls it. It didn't make all of our stuff like our economy. That was the president and he is very bad it. There he is calling for Armaggedon. Because the economy has been completely destroyed by Russia? I don't know why Ukraine did this.

Did you want to tell me why Ukraine makes our economy? How it's armageddon if we don't stop Russia?

How are you stopping Russia if it has nukes? By completely destroying the economy obviously? There seems to be no other way. It will just have to get nuked. Everything will get vaporised, because Ukraine made it, and that stops Russia taking it.

It must be very simple like this. It's what you're suggesting. It's easier just to vaporise everything. Arm Ukraine to destroy it, because it can't be Russian either.

Or Buddy it's that conundrum. Again obviously.

Simple course of debate.

  1. Peace Deal

  2. Ukraine is defeated

  3. Russian nukes

There is no peace deal because Ukraine has to get defeated first, and Ukraine cannot conceded to Russia, when it's being armed to defeat Russia. Russia tactically won't be defeated if it has nukes.

An Oxymoron. But call it what you want. Until somebody else makes a peace deal. In the meantime the economy tanks.

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