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Putin will rather drop nukes than concede defeat therefore Ukraine should surrender and anyone who disagrees is a warmonger.
posted 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors +5 / -7

Did I get that right?

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -3 points 3 years ago +2 / -5

Are you referring to the sham "referendum"? Who has accepted it? Iran and North Korea? Anyone else?

The war will end when Russia leaves Ukraine. Putin can order it today if he wanted to but he doesn't want.

Russia wants the war to continue and everyone who thinks that Ukraine should roll over and surrender can go move to Russia as far as I am concerned.

Fucking Russki shills.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It doesn't make that territory any less Russian. You don't recognise it. But Russia are a veto power with those nukes again.

No, the war ends on a conundrum with nukes becoming a very big oxymoron you simply haven't thought through.

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  1. Peace deal

  2. Ukraine conceeds territory, or is defeated.

  3. Russian nukes. It means Russia is substantially defeated, withdrawing, or does not protect the territory under its protection. Big if. Nukes from a nuclear power are often easier before then. There are very few variables there. Like internal collapse. But it is under emergency warfare powers.

So the conundrum. Any peace deal cannot be made because Ukraine is being armed to not accept it. It is a loss to its sovereignty. Crimea and other separation territories. It means Ukraine must be defeated. Because Russia won't be if it has nukes. It will use them tactically prior to being defeated.

So what is the response? Armaggedon. Ukraine makes everything, all of our global economies are indebted to the Ukraine, and therefore it must nuke the World first, before Russia claims it? Seriously. It won't win otherwise. Or are you gonna figure out that knot? Quick slice the funding.

Or some other kind of Peace, presumably. It still means somebody conceeding something. Those odds don't favour Ukrainian sovereignty.

Not a Russian at all. I question causality. Far easier to just ignore it with Russia will lose, because we're paying Ukraine to win. Except that's not the conclusion. It's Santa's, wishlist, Ukraine has been really good this year and Russia very naughty. Santa give Ukraine back, it wants Russia for Xmas. Not in the real World.

The real World the Xmas lights are out. Because they cost too much electricity. Somehow it's Ukraine's fault.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

All right. I hereby declare your house to be my territory. Get the fuck out of my house you squatter.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That's what happened to Russia. Ukraine told it to fuck off from the Crimea. Russia was sanctioned for having a military base in the Crimea. Except it has been there for centuries. It also went to war in several separatist oblast refusing them to be Russian despite the majority of their population being Russian.

See how that works. No you're a dumbass. It has nothing to do with the conundrum of how does this war conclude.

How does it conclude?

But instead you're trolling and talking about my stuff. It has no bearing on this topic or the debate.

BTW it technically isn't Ukraine's stuff either. Look it's fighting for it. I mean how does that work? Dumbass. It concludes how. Try to imagine it. Instead reading another headline off CNN. It convinced you to care. Even if it meant Ukraine makes your economy, you're paying all those taxes to the Ukraine, and now look at that price? Everything costs twice as much. God damn it. No it isn't because I care. I want the price back. And some how, I don't think fighting Russia will help it at all.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

If the price is the defeat snd humiliation of Russia I am willing to pay.

Russia still hasn't answered for the scourge of Communism it unleashed on the world and the decades of brutal subjugation of many nations and peoples.

Fuck Russia.

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