I've seen video evidence of sea windmills obviously below the horizon line.
What I mean is, I've seen photos and videos that DO INDEED show curvature.
I find flat Earth arguments compelling and interesting. But I am usually able to find good evidence debunking it. I'm open minded on these things. I'm just unconvinced the Earth is flat. I'm open to more evidence. Maybe you can persuade me.
Being called a fed for talking about this feels so bizarre. We are trying to do them a favor, damn. I've had success waking up my brother , aunt, uncle, 2 friends so far, at least to the point where they can't believe the globe model. When I tried telling my old man the moonlandings are fake (to get him ready for flat earth) he got pissed. I showed him proof for a few weeks and he doesn't want to talk about it anymore lol. You had any success?
All you do is post garbage...you are a one trick pony who is obsessed with FE but cannot seem to post a single decent piece of factual, well reasoned evidence.
This picture is pathetic, and if you believe this is proof you should be ashamed of yourself. How about some surveys........GIS stuff, anything with some real merit....this is something an elementary student would choose as evidence.
That is not true though either. It would cut a plane across the view based on location on the earth. That would partially overlap on a large part of the spherical globe on each hemisphere. In the winter the stars would be shifted and on the opposite side from the winter, but only a portion would be completely different on the edges of the cut and would vary at times of the year.
It would be at the equator that would have the most variations between views, but likewise, you would have some that are still similar. Nearest the poles.
To get an idea of what our earth looks like search 'gleason 1892 map'. The north pole is actually the center of our earth, and there is no south pole. Antarctica is an encircling landmass, some refer to it as the ice wall. We can't say for sure what lies beyond Antarctica because it's impossible to explore there independently due to the Antarctic treaty. Planes will be shot down, and vessels attacked who even get too close to Antarctica without approval from the UN. All research and military stations wouldn't allow you to leave and explore either. It's also by far the harshest climate in the world. There could be more land beyond Antarctica for all I know. Biblical cosmology suggests that is where the firmament is mounted. The Firmament is a solid dome over earth.
Some of the best evidence debunking this is how the stars spin in opposite directions depending on whether or not you are near the North Pole or the South Pole.
They spin in opposite directions because we are on opposite sides of a spinning globe.
Even though Dave seems like a pretentious prick, I do think he comes up with great counter-arguments that prove that Flat Earth theory can't stand up to rigorous debate 10 Challenges For Flat Earthershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQl8h7Aa75s
I watch the 10 challenges thing. I feel like I can address all his points with the caveat there are somethings that flat earthers can only speculate on not prove. We're there any of those 10 you found especially compelling?
Why does the sun set behind the horizon if the flat earth model shows it just moves around the sky and should just become more distant as it moves around flat earth, not set over the horizon.
So we have a small and local sun that goes around flat earth as you said. It does tighter circles to the tropic of cancer in northern hemisphere summer, and larger circles to Capricorn in the southern summer. Our atmosphere is not completely transparent, so even incredibly bright lights will fade as they travel thousands of miles away. This is also why we can't see from new york to England with a telescope. Also imagine an object flying away from you overhead, like an airplane. Let's say it's maintaining 35k feet altitude. From your perspective on the ground that plane will appear to decend to the horizon as it get further away and it will shrink in size. The plane isn't decending, it just appears to be. We can't see indefinitely, off the top of my I believe the units are arc angles, and when things are too small we physically can't see them anymore and they shrink into the horizon of our vision. One thing I don't think we've settled is if the sun is inside or outside the firmament, because this can also have optical effects to consider on how daylight and sunlight are distributed (there is a difference in those two lights).
Ya I agree, I am going with the biblical flat earth model though not all agree.
I cant find it right now but I found a video of a lawyer breaking down how impossible it is to explore Antarctica due to the treaty, and not amount of wealth could accomplish it without military or united nations intervention. And most of Antarctica is literally an ice shelf with a few spots that have peninsulas and rocky terrain.
One thing you might find interesting is Antarctica should have 24 hour sun in the sky just like the north (a few months a year). All Antarctica videos of 24 hour sun have been found to be faked. Also remember daylight is different than sunlight. The sun should be visible 24 hours at both polls for a little while on ball earth.
So I can't see 1000 miles away? But I can see past the atmosphere and see stars far away?
If the sun was moving away, it wouldn't set. It'd just get smaller and disappear in the air above the horizon.
Also, how do you explain some places on Earth having 24 hour days while you claim the sun is moving around? How can the sun pause and stay over one area and still move and light up the other areas? Is there a simulation of this sun movement on the flat earth model?
Those two videos were sloppy. The explanation for the sun setting was silly to me. Unconvincing. The sun model in the bathroom was terribly done. Shining flash lights into a glass dome doesn't explain how some places get 23 hours sunlight in one day.
The video with the glass firmament I found interesting cause I'm not sure if the sun is inside or outside the dome, this would effect the optics and it demonstrated (crudely) how the dome can dispurse the light over roughly half the flat earth.
I have actually worked in alaska for 7 years where we get 24 hour sun for a month or so. This is possible on the flat earth model when the sun is near the tropic of cancer. 24 hour sun in the Antarctic is impossible on flat earth and consequently I've never seen video that proves it occurs down there.
You seem to have exactly the same hang ups with flat earth that I had. Unfortunately they are hard to explain like this. I'll give you a few resources to check out I think you will find entertaining even if it turnes out to be BS.
OddTV on youtube
Eric Dubay on bitchute
Flat earth clock App by blue water bay
You are definitely asking the right questions
BTW, I would have scoffed at all this 2 years ago until I realized the moonlandings and international space station is fake.
The southern star trails were a hard one to sort out. I'll link a video that simulates what we are seeing on FE and why the stars appear that way. I've seen a better simulation but I can't find it at the moment, this one gives you the idea though.
Basically our local perception is causing that effect. It's the same with the sun and the moon. The path we view is not their actual path through the sky, just what we are able to see before they vanish over the horizon.
This is one of the most complicated things to resolve because I don't know if the stars are inside or outside the firmament, or how that would effect it. However, even if we fail to explain it, it doesn't mean that the earth is a spinning ball suddenly, to many other proofs against that for me to believe it anymore.
Well it's not just the stars spinning in opposite directions on north and south pole
Water flows in opposite direction in toilet
Also some stars you can see in south hemisphere that you cant in northern. because Earth is round.
Also, if you get on a high elevation, you cannot see far enough into the distance as you should be able to if the Earth was flat. Especially from top of a mountain.
Also, it's unbelievable that someone wouldn't be able to reach the boundary of this so called dome firmament. Near the ice walls it should be easy to breach the lower end of the curve.
Then there's the problem with tides. The moon causes tides. What does flat earth model use to explain tides?
Also, I don't really trust any of the flat earth maps. Like that guy said. Where's the professional flat earth map with the scale that we can test out?
Like I said. I'm not claiming to be smarter than anyone. I'm just not convinced of the flat earth model, even though I find it interesting.
I cant explain the star trails any better in text form without massive effort, the best I can offer is a video compilation that addresses the subject and can simulate the effect.
The coriolis effect is 100% BS, they simultaneously claim it affects water and bullets, but not planes or helicopters, this makes no sense. The primary thing that effects the way water rotates when it drains, is the way water is moving already, prior to draining. These demonstrations are actually a tourist scam in equatorial countries to 'prove' coriolis; they can be controlled by how you pour the water.
People have literally documented seeing objects over 200 miles away that should have been under miles of earth curvature, this geometric math is very simple. Here is a playlist for seeing too far:
Antarctica or the encircling ice landmass cannot be explored independently due to the Antarctic treaty. If you try you will be detected and stopped my one of a dozen militaries from going beyond 60°S. No flights or any other transport circumnavigate Antarctica because it's impossible. If you visit Antarctica, you will be restricted to a scientific or military base and unable to explore. I'm couldn't say how far the firmament base is, or if it's actually an infinite plane, so it's just speculation.
Moon/gravity tides are easier to debunk on globe model, than explain via flat earth model. The best explanations I've heard have to do with the sun and moon having positive/negative charges respectively and tides being a result of their electro magnetic effect on salt water. Also tidal nodes from deep in the earth may have an effect where water flows in and out of our oceans. Here is a tides playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbtWbiKTA5VX1VGWcWDyfEaL
No maps are accurate on globe earth because spherical projections can't be accurate on a flat map or surface. No one seems to have a problem with this. Flat earthers have no resources, and much establishment pushback on creating any kind of accurate flat earth map. The gleason style maps appear to be accurate enough that militaries used them in ww2 for navy and aircraft purposes. All commercial flights make far more sense on a flat earth map than they do on any globe map:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IonuwLhXt4KLB_TT9zo7Qd9
This stuff is so much easier to explain in person with a whiteboard -_-
At best we would be able to get a rough estimate of the average ice wall perimeter (it's obviously not a perfect circle). But even so we don't know how far inland the ice goes as it's logistically and legally impossible to explore.
I feel like the flat earth/round earth isn’t even a conspiracy anymore it’s more of an annoyance, who gives a shit the shape it’s a fucked up existence we’re all living anyways no matter the shape of a meaningless pebble we’re floating on “space”
This camera disproves flat earth theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_S8d_1KVhU
Look up an earth curve calculator for any of you brainwashed retards who want to ignore simple geometry. The earth is a fixed plane.
I've seen video evidence of sea windmills obviously below the horizon line.
What I mean is, I've seen photos and videos that DO INDEED show curvature.
I find flat Earth arguments compelling and interesting. But I am usually able to find good evidence debunking it. I'm open minded on these things. I'm just unconvinced the Earth is flat. I'm open to more evidence. Maybe you can persuade me.
I think this video is good evidence that debunks the OP's theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKQI18jr8Oc
Being called a fed for talking about this feels so bizarre. We are trying to do them a favor, damn. I've had success waking up my brother , aunt, uncle, 2 friends so far, at least to the point where they can't believe the globe model. When I tried telling my old man the moonlandings are fake (to get him ready for flat earth) he got pissed. I showed him proof for a few weeks and he doesn't want to talk about it anymore lol. You had any success?
fake moon is not the same as globe....or fe....
Moon landing was faked with high certainty.....but that does not prove the rest is as you say....
All you do is post garbage...you are a one trick pony who is obsessed with FE but cannot seem to post a single decent piece of factual, well reasoned evidence.
This picture is pathetic, and if you believe this is proof you should be ashamed of yourself. How about some surveys........GIS stuff, anything with some real merit....this is something an elementary student would choose as evidence.
That is not true though either. It would cut a plane across the view based on location on the earth. That would partially overlap on a large part of the spherical globe on each hemisphere. In the winter the stars would be shifted and on the opposite side from the winter, but only a portion would be completely different on the edges of the cut and would vary at times of the year.
It would be at the equator that would have the most variations between views, but likewise, you would have some that are still similar. Nearest the poles.
So is there an edge and what happens past it?
Of course there is an edge in space.
It is the same edge that earth has.
As above So below.
Well why dont people go to the no go zone to discover?
To get an idea of what our earth looks like search 'gleason 1892 map'. The north pole is actually the center of our earth, and there is no south pole. Antarctica is an encircling landmass, some refer to it as the ice wall. We can't say for sure what lies beyond Antarctica because it's impossible to explore there independently due to the Antarctic treaty. Planes will be shot down, and vessels attacked who even get too close to Antarctica without approval from the UN. All research and military stations wouldn't allow you to leave and explore either. It's also by far the harshest climate in the world. There could be more land beyond Antarctica for all I know. Biblical cosmology suggests that is where the firmament is mounted. The Firmament is a solid dome over earth.
Some of the best evidence debunking this is how the stars spin in opposite directions depending on whether or not you are near the North Pole or the South Pole.
They spin in opposite directions because we are on opposite sides of a spinning globe.
Even though Dave seems like a pretentious prick, I do think he comes up with great counter-arguments that prove that Flat Earth theory can't stand up to rigorous debate 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQl8h7Aa75s
https://youtu.be/R9FKYsV3iKA
Found someone who made a response video to those 10 points if you want to hear a retort on any of them.
I watch the 10 challenges thing. I feel like I can address all his points with the caveat there are somethings that flat earthers can only speculate on not prove. We're there any of those 10 you found especially compelling?
The sunset argument.
Why does the sun set behind the horizon if the flat earth model shows it just moves around the sky and should just become more distant as it moves around flat earth, not set over the horizon.
So we have a small and local sun that goes around flat earth as you said. It does tighter circles to the tropic of cancer in northern hemisphere summer, and larger circles to Capricorn in the southern summer. Our atmosphere is not completely transparent, so even incredibly bright lights will fade as they travel thousands of miles away. This is also why we can't see from new york to England with a telescope. Also imagine an object flying away from you overhead, like an airplane. Let's say it's maintaining 35k feet altitude. From your perspective on the ground that plane will appear to decend to the horizon as it get further away and it will shrink in size. The plane isn't decending, it just appears to be. We can't see indefinitely, off the top of my I believe the units are arc angles, and when things are too small we physically can't see them anymore and they shrink into the horizon of our vision. One thing I don't think we've settled is if the sun is inside or outside the firmament, because this can also have optical effects to consider on how daylight and sunlight are distributed (there is a difference in those two lights).
Here are two videos to give you a visual aid.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BxsiKnuxsIgK/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QbFn6topycHC/
I tell you one thing.
The flat earth dome theory would fit better with the Bible story about the Tower of Babel reaching the heavens.
But the whole idea of a guarded ice wall is kind of strange too.
Ya I agree, I am going with the biblical flat earth model though not all agree.
I cant find it right now but I found a video of a lawyer breaking down how impossible it is to explore Antarctica due to the treaty, and not amount of wealth could accomplish it without military or united nations intervention. And most of Antarctica is literally an ice shelf with a few spots that have peninsulas and rocky terrain.
One thing you might find interesting is Antarctica should have 24 hour sun in the sky just like the north (a few months a year). All Antarctica videos of 24 hour sun have been found to be faked. Also remember daylight is different than sunlight. The sun should be visible 24 hours at both polls for a little while on ball earth.
Sorry I'm drinking and my coherence is faiding.
So I can't see 1000 miles away? But I can see past the atmosphere and see stars far away?
If the sun was moving away, it wouldn't set. It'd just get smaller and disappear in the air above the horizon.
Also, how do you explain some places on Earth having 24 hour days while you claim the sun is moving around? How can the sun pause and stay over one area and still move and light up the other areas? Is there a simulation of this sun movement on the flat earth model?
Those two videos were sloppy. The explanation for the sun setting was silly to me. Unconvincing. The sun model in the bathroom was terribly done. Shining flash lights into a glass dome doesn't explain how some places get 23 hours sunlight in one day.
The video with the glass firmament I found interesting cause I'm not sure if the sun is inside or outside the dome, this would effect the optics and it demonstrated (crudely) how the dome can dispurse the light over roughly half the flat earth.
I have actually worked in alaska for 7 years where we get 24 hour sun for a month or so. This is possible on the flat earth model when the sun is near the tropic of cancer. 24 hour sun in the Antarctic is impossible on flat earth and consequently I've never seen video that proves it occurs down there.
You seem to have exactly the same hang ups with flat earth that I had. Unfortunately they are hard to explain like this. I'll give you a few resources to check out I think you will find entertaining even if it turnes out to be BS.
OddTV on youtube Eric Dubay on bitchute Flat earth clock App by blue water bay
You are definitely asking the right questions
BTW, I would have scoffed at all this 2 years ago until I realized the moonlandings and international space station is fake.
The southern star trails were a hard one to sort out. I'll link a video that simulates what we are seeing on FE and why the stars appear that way. I've seen a better simulation but I can't find it at the moment, this one gives you the idea though.
https://youtu.be/xnbs1s8DKVs
Basically our local perception is causing that effect. It's the same with the sun and the moon. The path we view is not their actual path through the sky, just what we are able to see before they vanish over the horizon.
This is one of the most complicated things to resolve because I don't know if the stars are inside or outside the firmament, or how that would effect it. However, even if we fail to explain it, it doesn't mean that the earth is a spinning ball suddenly, to many other proofs against that for me to believe it anymore.
Well it's not just the stars spinning in opposite directions on north and south pole
Water flows in opposite direction in toilet
Also some stars you can see in south hemisphere that you cant in northern. because Earth is round.
Also, if you get on a high elevation, you cannot see far enough into the distance as you should be able to if the Earth was flat. Especially from top of a mountain.
Also, it's unbelievable that someone wouldn't be able to reach the boundary of this so called dome firmament. Near the ice walls it should be easy to breach the lower end of the curve.
Then there's the problem with tides. The moon causes tides. What does flat earth model use to explain tides?
Also, I don't really trust any of the flat earth maps. Like that guy said. Where's the professional flat earth map with the scale that we can test out?
Like I said. I'm not claiming to be smarter than anyone. I'm just not convinced of the flat earth model, even though I find it interesting.
I cant explain the star trails any better in text form without massive effort, the best I can offer is a video compilation that addresses the subject and can simulate the effect.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IrFPVauHJV0Vf_kiR2VIWU4
The coriolis effect is 100% BS, they simultaneously claim it affects water and bullets, but not planes or helicopters, this makes no sense. The primary thing that effects the way water rotates when it drains, is the way water is moving already, prior to draining. These demonstrations are actually a tourist scam in equatorial countries to 'prove' coriolis; they can be controlled by how you pour the water.
People have literally documented seeing objects over 200 miles away that should have been under miles of earth curvature, this geometric math is very simple. Here is a playlist for seeing too far:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbsRfA1jEZsHFDJ3JJNeQkkB
Antarctica or the encircling ice landmass cannot be explored independently due to the Antarctic treaty. If you try you will be detected and stopped my one of a dozen militaries from going beyond 60°S. No flights or any other transport circumnavigate Antarctica because it's impossible. If you visit Antarctica, you will be restricted to a scientific or military base and unable to explore. I'm couldn't say how far the firmament base is, or if it's actually an infinite plane, so it's just speculation.
Moon/gravity tides are easier to debunk on globe model, than explain via flat earth model. The best explanations I've heard have to do with the sun and moon having positive/negative charges respectively and tides being a result of their electro magnetic effect on salt water. Also tidal nodes from deep in the earth may have an effect where water flows in and out of our oceans. Here is a tides playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbtWbiKTA5VX1VGWcWDyfEaL
No maps are accurate on globe earth because spherical projections can't be accurate on a flat map or surface. No one seems to have a problem with this. Flat earthers have no resources, and much establishment pushback on creating any kind of accurate flat earth map. The gleason style maps appear to be accurate enough that militaries used them in ww2 for navy and aircraft purposes. All commercial flights make far more sense on a flat earth map than they do on any globe map: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IonuwLhXt4KLB_TT9zo7Qd9
This stuff is so much easier to explain in person with a whiteboard -_-
So you are saying the UN has covered with military every inch of the circle's perimeter?
What is the earth's pwrimeter then?
But what is the length of that perimeter?
At best we would be able to get a rough estimate of the average ice wall perimeter (it's obviously not a perfect circle). But even so we don't know how far inland the ice goes as it's logistically and legally impossible to explore.
Forum sliding, retarded jew. Go back to Israel, you fucking nutter.
You’re pvki on an alt.
All you do is slide and astroturf.
I feel like the flat earth/round earth isn’t even a conspiracy anymore it’s more of an annoyance, who gives a shit the shape it’s a fucked up existence we’re all living anyways no matter the shape of a meaningless pebble we’re floating on “space”
Tldr lol yeah I don’t believe it’s round or flat I believe the jury is still out and what it looks like
But like I said idc if it’s flat or round or dog shaped Soto me the “debate” is hogwash. Like politics, you’re literally arguing over fake things