To get an idea of what our earth looks like search 'gleason 1892 map'. The north pole is actually the center of our earth, and there is no south pole. Antarctica is an encircling landmass, some refer to it as the ice wall. We can't say for sure what lies beyond Antarctica because it's impossible to explore there independently due to the Antarctic treaty. Planes will be shot down, and vessels attacked who even get too close to Antarctica without approval from the UN. All research and military stations wouldn't allow you to leave and explore either. It's also by far the harshest climate in the world. There could be more land beyond Antarctica for all I know. Biblical cosmology suggests that is where the firmament is mounted. The Firmament is a solid dome over earth.
Some of the best evidence debunking this is how the stars spin in opposite directions depending on whether or not you are near the North Pole or the South Pole.
They spin in opposite directions because we are on opposite sides of a spinning globe.
Even though Dave seems like a pretentious prick, I do think he comes up with great counter-arguments that prove that Flat Earth theory can't stand up to rigorous debate 10 Challenges For Flat Earthershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQl8h7Aa75s
I watch the 10 challenges thing. I feel like I can address all his points with the caveat there are somethings that flat earthers can only speculate on not prove. We're there any of those 10 you found especially compelling?
Why does the sun set behind the horizon if the flat earth model shows it just moves around the sky and should just become more distant as it moves around flat earth, not set over the horizon.
So we have a small and local sun that goes around flat earth as you said. It does tighter circles to the tropic of cancer in northern hemisphere summer, and larger circles to Capricorn in the southern summer. Our atmosphere is not completely transparent, so even incredibly bright lights will fade as they travel thousands of miles away. This is also why we can't see from new york to England with a telescope. Also imagine an object flying away from you overhead, like an airplane. Let's say it's maintaining 35k feet altitude. From your perspective on the ground that plane will appear to decend to the horizon as it get further away and it will shrink in size. The plane isn't decending, it just appears to be. We can't see indefinitely, off the top of my I believe the units are arc angles, and when things are too small we physically can't see them anymore and they shrink into the horizon of our vision. One thing I don't think we've settled is if the sun is inside or outside the firmament, because this can also have optical effects to consider on how daylight and sunlight are distributed (there is a difference in those two lights).
The southern star trails were a hard one to sort out. I'll link a video that simulates what we are seeing on FE and why the stars appear that way. I've seen a better simulation but I can't find it at the moment, this one gives you the idea though.
Basically our local perception is causing that effect. It's the same with the sun and the moon. The path we view is not their actual path through the sky, just what we are able to see before they vanish over the horizon.
This is one of the most complicated things to resolve because I don't know if the stars are inside or outside the firmament, or how that would effect it. However, even if we fail to explain it, it doesn't mean that the earth is a spinning ball suddenly, to many other proofs against that for me to believe it anymore.
Well it's not just the stars spinning in opposite directions on north and south pole
Water flows in opposite direction in toilet
Also some stars you can see in south hemisphere that you cant in northern. because Earth is round.
Also, if you get on a high elevation, you cannot see far enough into the distance as you should be able to if the Earth was flat. Especially from top of a mountain.
Also, it's unbelievable that someone wouldn't be able to reach the boundary of this so called dome firmament. Near the ice walls it should be easy to breach the lower end of the curve.
Then there's the problem with tides. The moon causes tides. What does flat earth model use to explain tides?
Also, I don't really trust any of the flat earth maps. Like that guy said. Where's the professional flat earth map with the scale that we can test out?
Like I said. I'm not claiming to be smarter than anyone. I'm just not convinced of the flat earth model, even though I find it interesting.
I cant explain the star trails any better in text form without massive effort, the best I can offer is a video compilation that addresses the subject and can simulate the effect.
The coriolis effect is 100% BS, they simultaneously claim it affects water and bullets, but not planes or helicopters, this makes no sense. The primary thing that effects the way water rotates when it drains, is the way water is moving already, prior to draining. These demonstrations are actually a tourist scam in equatorial countries to 'prove' coriolis; they can be controlled by how you pour the water.
People have literally documented seeing objects over 200 miles away that should have been under miles of earth curvature, this geometric math is very simple. Here is a playlist for seeing too far:
Antarctica or the encircling ice landmass cannot be explored independently due to the Antarctic treaty. If you try you will be detected and stopped my one of a dozen militaries from going beyond 60°S. No flights or any other transport circumnavigate Antarctica because it's impossible. If you visit Antarctica, you will be restricted to a scientific or military base and unable to explore. I'm couldn't say how far the firmament base is, or if it's actually an infinite plane, so it's just speculation.
Moon/gravity tides are easier to debunk on globe model, than explain via flat earth model. The best explanations I've heard have to do with the sun and moon having positive/negative charges respectively and tides being a result of their electro magnetic effect on salt water. Also tidal nodes from deep in the earth may have an effect where water flows in and out of our oceans. Here is a tides playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbtWbiKTA5VX1VGWcWDyfEaL
No maps are accurate on globe earth because spherical projections can't be accurate on a flat map or surface. No one seems to have a problem with this. Flat earthers have no resources, and much establishment pushback on creating any kind of accurate flat earth map. The gleason style maps appear to be accurate enough that militaries used them in ww2 for navy and aircraft purposes. All commercial flights make far more sense on a flat earth map than they do on any globe map:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IonuwLhXt4KLB_TT9zo7Qd9
This stuff is so much easier to explain in person with a whiteboard -_-
To get an idea of what our earth looks like search 'gleason 1892 map'. The north pole is actually the center of our earth, and there is no south pole. Antarctica is an encircling landmass, some refer to it as the ice wall. We can't say for sure what lies beyond Antarctica because it's impossible to explore there independently due to the Antarctic treaty. Planes will be shot down, and vessels attacked who even get too close to Antarctica without approval from the UN. All research and military stations wouldn't allow you to leave and explore either. It's also by far the harshest climate in the world. There could be more land beyond Antarctica for all I know. Biblical cosmology suggests that is where the firmament is mounted. The Firmament is a solid dome over earth.
Some of the best evidence debunking this is how the stars spin in opposite directions depending on whether or not you are near the North Pole or the South Pole.
They spin in opposite directions because we are on opposite sides of a spinning globe.
Even though Dave seems like a pretentious prick, I do think he comes up with great counter-arguments that prove that Flat Earth theory can't stand up to rigorous debate 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQl8h7Aa75s
https://youtu.be/R9FKYsV3iKA
Found someone who made a response video to those 10 points if you want to hear a retort on any of them.
I watch the 10 challenges thing. I feel like I can address all his points with the caveat there are somethings that flat earthers can only speculate on not prove. We're there any of those 10 you found especially compelling?
The sunset argument.
Why does the sun set behind the horizon if the flat earth model shows it just moves around the sky and should just become more distant as it moves around flat earth, not set over the horizon.
So we have a small and local sun that goes around flat earth as you said. It does tighter circles to the tropic of cancer in northern hemisphere summer, and larger circles to Capricorn in the southern summer. Our atmosphere is not completely transparent, so even incredibly bright lights will fade as they travel thousands of miles away. This is also why we can't see from new york to England with a telescope. Also imagine an object flying away from you overhead, like an airplane. Let's say it's maintaining 35k feet altitude. From your perspective on the ground that plane will appear to decend to the horizon as it get further away and it will shrink in size. The plane isn't decending, it just appears to be. We can't see indefinitely, off the top of my I believe the units are arc angles, and when things are too small we physically can't see them anymore and they shrink into the horizon of our vision. One thing I don't think we've settled is if the sun is inside or outside the firmament, because this can also have optical effects to consider on how daylight and sunlight are distributed (there is a difference in those two lights).
Here are two videos to give you a visual aid.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BxsiKnuxsIgK/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QbFn6topycHC/
The southern star trails were a hard one to sort out. I'll link a video that simulates what we are seeing on FE and why the stars appear that way. I've seen a better simulation but I can't find it at the moment, this one gives you the idea though.
https://youtu.be/xnbs1s8DKVs
Basically our local perception is causing that effect. It's the same with the sun and the moon. The path we view is not their actual path through the sky, just what we are able to see before they vanish over the horizon.
This is one of the most complicated things to resolve because I don't know if the stars are inside or outside the firmament, or how that would effect it. However, even if we fail to explain it, it doesn't mean that the earth is a spinning ball suddenly, to many other proofs against that for me to believe it anymore.
Well it's not just the stars spinning in opposite directions on north and south pole
Water flows in opposite direction in toilet
Also some stars you can see in south hemisphere that you cant in northern. because Earth is round.
Also, if you get on a high elevation, you cannot see far enough into the distance as you should be able to if the Earth was flat. Especially from top of a mountain.
Also, it's unbelievable that someone wouldn't be able to reach the boundary of this so called dome firmament. Near the ice walls it should be easy to breach the lower end of the curve.
Then there's the problem with tides. The moon causes tides. What does flat earth model use to explain tides?
Also, I don't really trust any of the flat earth maps. Like that guy said. Where's the professional flat earth map with the scale that we can test out?
Like I said. I'm not claiming to be smarter than anyone. I'm just not convinced of the flat earth model, even though I find it interesting.
I cant explain the star trails any better in text form without massive effort, the best I can offer is a video compilation that addresses the subject and can simulate the effect.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IrFPVauHJV0Vf_kiR2VIWU4
The coriolis effect is 100% BS, they simultaneously claim it affects water and bullets, but not planes or helicopters, this makes no sense. The primary thing that effects the way water rotates when it drains, is the way water is moving already, prior to draining. These demonstrations are actually a tourist scam in equatorial countries to 'prove' coriolis; they can be controlled by how you pour the water.
People have literally documented seeing objects over 200 miles away that should have been under miles of earth curvature, this geometric math is very simple. Here is a playlist for seeing too far:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbsRfA1jEZsHFDJ3JJNeQkkB
Antarctica or the encircling ice landmass cannot be explored independently due to the Antarctic treaty. If you try you will be detected and stopped my one of a dozen militaries from going beyond 60°S. No flights or any other transport circumnavigate Antarctica because it's impossible. If you visit Antarctica, you will be restricted to a scientific or military base and unable to explore. I'm couldn't say how far the firmament base is, or if it's actually an infinite plane, so it's just speculation.
Moon/gravity tides are easier to debunk on globe model, than explain via flat earth model. The best explanations I've heard have to do with the sun and moon having positive/negative charges respectively and tides being a result of their electro magnetic effect on salt water. Also tidal nodes from deep in the earth may have an effect where water flows in and out of our oceans. Here is a tides playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbtWbiKTA5VX1VGWcWDyfEaL
No maps are accurate on globe earth because spherical projections can't be accurate on a flat map or surface. No one seems to have a problem with this. Flat earthers have no resources, and much establishment pushback on creating any kind of accurate flat earth map. The gleason style maps appear to be accurate enough that militaries used them in ww2 for navy and aircraft purposes. All commercial flights make far more sense on a flat earth map than they do on any globe map: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IonuwLhXt4KLB_TT9zo7Qd9
This stuff is so much easier to explain in person with a whiteboard -_-
So you are saying the UN has covered with military every inch of the circle's perimeter?
What is the earth's pwrimeter then?