The reality is that the sun is an allegory of christ
This is actually a very profound statement and I think any disagreement about who christ was would be semantics.
So did you find the real God or are you still searching.
I did. I truly did.
And western religion only scratches the surface then misdirects into a collection plate. There are eastern religions that are paths to him, but they aren't the only paths.
any disagreement about who christ was would be semantics.
OK, now we're talking. I'm talking about a Jewish guy who died by getting hung out on a stake by the human government on charges of opposing it, about 33 CE. He said he and the Father-Creator of All were one, and he accepted being called God and receiving the worship due only to God. Either he was right (and thus he made the sun to reflect himself), or he was wrong (and thus deserved worse than he got). I have some respect for eastern paths but there is only one goal a path to God can lead to if there is only one God: there is no both-and about inherent contradictions. But you're still not spinning me your own fairy tales (perhaps you think I'm not open-minded).
If I don't link up fast I still hope to return to the subject this Good Friday.
I think that Jesus tapped into the universal truth and was killed for teaching what he learned. It's likely that he learned the universal truth during his time spent in India, and his pure, stripped down message of love everyone, be in servitude and remember God was a threat to organized "religions" (businesses) of the time.
I believe Jesus the man may have really existed. I think the collection of stories about him is just that: stories. Most passed down through word of mouth complete with errors and varying degrees of hyperbole. That doesn't mean they are all completely made up or that Jesus didn't exist though.
I think there have been many people who have achieved a "christ consciousness" of sorts throughout our history though. In most recent memory, Dr. Richard Alpert, or "Ram Dass" is one example. His guru, Neem Karoli Baba, another.
I believe the story of christ to be spliced in with the much older story of sun "worship" (acknowledgement?), with Easter being an allegory for spring, and new life rising up.
OK, I appreciate your opening up. On this sub I'm a bit more freewheeling and so I'm glad you worked through the initial introductions to get to the real point. I'll take a look into these folks and get back to you on it, the names sound like I've encountered them before. (My testing of every word of the Bible as being historical truth has moved long past the time when I took it for granted and I can now explain that every point is based on greater historical authority than any other fact of history; charges of error have always fallen aside and the Bible retains its consistency and integrity; but that's not relevant because you've heard it. What's relevant is that testing of others has the potential for falsifying this report, and so far it never has.) The issue is whether achievement of "Christ consciousness of sorts" restores us to the teaching of your youth that it's all literally true too. We have someone on c/Christianity who asserts this state of himself regularly, and depending on definition I might claim it for myself too, so it becomes something of a less testable term, while the claims made by Jesus in the Bible are much more testable. You haven't said what about the Bible offends you, but that need not be answered right now.
This is actually a very profound statement and I think any disagreement about who christ was would be semantics.
I did. I truly did.
And western religion only scratches the surface then misdirects into a collection plate. There are eastern religions that are paths to him, but they aren't the only paths.
OK, now we're talking. I'm talking about a Jewish guy who died by getting hung out on a stake by the human government on charges of opposing it, about 33 CE. He said he and the Father-Creator of All were one, and he accepted being called God and receiving the worship due only to God. Either he was right (and thus he made the sun to reflect himself), or he was wrong (and thus deserved worse than he got). I have some respect for eastern paths but there is only one goal a path to God can lead to if there is only one God: there is no both-and about inherent contradictions. But you're still not spinning me your own fairy tales (perhaps you think I'm not open-minded).
If I don't link up fast I still hope to return to the subject this Good Friday.
I think that Jesus tapped into the universal truth and was killed for teaching what he learned. It's likely that he learned the universal truth during his time spent in India, and his pure, stripped down message of love everyone, be in servitude and remember God was a threat to organized "religions" (businesses) of the time.
I believe Jesus the man may have really existed. I think the collection of stories about him is just that: stories. Most passed down through word of mouth complete with errors and varying degrees of hyperbole. That doesn't mean they are all completely made up or that Jesus didn't exist though.
I think there have been many people who have achieved a "christ consciousness" of sorts throughout our history though. In most recent memory, Dr. Richard Alpert, or "Ram Dass" is one example. His guru, Neem Karoli Baba, another.
I believe the story of christ to be spliced in with the much older story of sun "worship" (acknowledgement?), with Easter being an allegory for spring, and new life rising up.
OK, I appreciate your opening up. On this sub I'm a bit more freewheeling and so I'm glad you worked through the initial introductions to get to the real point. I'll take a look into these folks and get back to you on it, the names sound like I've encountered them before. (My testing of every word of the Bible as being historical truth has moved long past the time when I took it for granted and I can now explain that every point is based on greater historical authority than any other fact of history; charges of error have always fallen aside and the Bible retains its consistency and integrity; but that's not relevant because you've heard it. What's relevant is that testing of others has the potential for falsifying this report, and so far it never has.) The issue is whether achievement of "Christ consciousness of sorts" restores us to the teaching of your youth that it's all literally true too. We have someone on c/Christianity who asserts this state of himself regularly, and depending on definition I might claim it for myself too, so it becomes something of a less testable term, while the claims made by Jesus in the Bible are much more testable. You haven't said what about the Bible offends you, but that need not be answered right now.