posted ago by axolotl_peyotl ago by axolotl_peyotl +65 / -2


I work as an anaesthetist and intensivist and sometimes / rarely the patients who are admitted to intensive care and their families are very upset and would shout at my colleagues, even calling them murderers, because the "virus doesn't exist". Of course my colleagues think they are derranged and privately laugh at these people, but actually there is a reason why, the statement, 'covid-19 is not caused by a virus,' is true. I will explain this now, but it's complex so this post is going to be lengthy, but hopefully easy to read.

First off, having a disease, even a "viral disease", doesn't mean it is caused by what we call a virus. Even though there is a decades long culture of studying viruses, with nobel prize winning scientists, and a whole field of virology and microbiologists who subspecialise in virology - it's possible that they are all wrong. So, put yourself in the mindset that a huge mistake has been made in the understanding of a virus, that all these people are wrong and now I will explain how, and what a virus actually is.

Scurvy used to spread through ships and people must have thought there is some contagion, if we had no knowledge of vit C deficiency, then these days we might have assumed it's a virus. Actually, we probably could relate scurvy to a virus because, what we call a virus should appear in people who have the disease of scurvy... and indeed on land we call this disease, Ebola.

Viruses are part of the communication mechanisms between cells, they contain genetic material in a protein capsule and they have receptors on top that bind to cells. Cells produce it, especially dying cells, to alarm other cells that there is high toxicity in the environment so that they all enter a state of conservation of life, therefore a person in that state will enter that mode and that removes all the energy from the body creating discomfort. So a cell that receives a toxic signal for whatever reason triggers the alarm by excreting what science calls a "virus." To alert others.

If the toxicity is greater than a certain range, then many cells will secrete what is called a virus, which is also a cellular mechanism for excreting or getting rid of internal toxicity. So a person with, let's say, flu, gets like this because of an energy collapse caused mostly by prolonged stress, so their body goes into shock, and other opportunistic organisms take advantage of a weak immune system, I mean bacteria, staph, candid, and so on, which were previously in a state of balance with the body. This extra toxicity causes the excretion of this cellular exosubstance that we call "viruses".

It has two main functions. A.- Give the alarm to other cells, by passing genetic information on, coding the nature of the alarm. (a good example of this, is blood oranges, which start out as normal oranges but when the environment becomes cold this triggers the release of a virus to warn the cells in the orange that it is a certain amount of cold, which triggers the transformation into what we call a blood orange, see: https://youtu.be/Tryg5UCp6fI?t=2942) B.- Excrete the accumulated toxicity inside (when relevant) to try to survive.

So if a cell enters a state of toxicity, like a person's throat cell because they have been breathing cold air for a long time in a state of prolonged stress, then the bacteria in the throat are thrown out of balance by the stimulus of cold and the suppressed or weak immune system. And the cells in the throat will start to secrete what humans call the flu virus. It is the effect of a problem, not the cause, we have it backwards.

Now something else happens ... When a person has a lot of flu, all their mucous membranes secrete that toxicity, that's what mucus is for, to get rid of what the body does not need, more than anything else of toxins of all kinds. So those secretions come out with coughs and sneezes and are full of viruses, but which could be more accurately described as exogenous-type cellular secretions, so these secretions, badly called viruses, are in the air and enter the mucous membranes of another person.

Remember these are alarm signals that something is wrong so these exo-genes enter the other person's biology and that other person's cellular receptors interpret it for what it is ... an alarm, and if that person is also under a lot of stress, that will trigger a chain signal making that person sick too.

But if that other person is not under stress and has a healthy immune system, another person's exo-gene signal will come through and perhaps alarm a group of cells but their body will quickly say, in its own way, that nothing is wrong and that person does not get sick. So that is why some people get the flu and others don't.

It is worth mentioning that when a person is under a lot of stress, it is most likely that the person is not alone under that stress but that their companions, the other people in their family or community are also under it. So the weaker person will begin to excrete that toxicity and start a chain reaction with their entire family for the exo-gene warning signs it gives off.

Now, each type of "virus", that as I have said is only exo-gene, has precise information and precise receptors that can only be coupled to one class of cells and not to others. In other words, it is specific to a species or even to a specific area or group of cells within a body.

That is, if a bird has a disease that attacks the filaments or roots of the feathers, it will secrete those exo-gene signals and they will be in the air, and perhaps a human being breathes it in... The receptors do not match the ones of human cells, so it does not couple and does not pass its information ... Or in the event that if it does... the receiving human cell will say: wait, I have no feathers, this alarm information is for Goldfinches and Swallows .... and will discard the information. This is why a virus is said to be specific to one species or another.

But species, especially those in the same family in general yes they share cell receptors, it is why cats can "get sick" from the flu if a human sneezes. Because even though it is a cat, exo-gene receptors are compatible and if the cat is under stress or favorable conditions, it will also trigger symptoms.

Now if you have a culture of healthy cells in a laboratory culture and you introduce a virus (badly called virus) it will be coupled to the first one it finds and this cell will give off the alarm, secreting more viruses (exo-gene) and it will start a chain reaction which virologists misinterpret as "a viral infection". And this invasion in a laboratory test tube will be dramatic because those cells are not supported by an immune system because they are outside of a body. Also in the case of viral cultures the cells in the medium are starved of nutrients and primed with poisonous antibiotics - i.e., they are under a lot of stress.

Science is in diapers with all of this. I have found some very basic ground works that say there are cellular secretions that "look" like viruses but are not. They do not go beyond that. So, with covid there is no pathogenic virus of any kind. We have it all upside down, mistaking correlation for causation and having little to no knowledge of what "viruses" are. This also implies that the virus gain of function angle is irrelevent, although I have no doubt that such research was conducted, it makes little to no difference in the real world.

But there is more!

So these people in Wuhan or wherever they were, were seeing great toxicity in the bodies of the sick from other things like for example 5G type electromagnetic radiation & air pollution, so they did their human studies ... and found what they call "viruses". And these are only alarm signals triggered between cells because of high environmental toxicity. And ignorant doctors said that was the reason. A virus! And they raise the alarm.

They develop a very basic test to detect certain proteins, which are those of cellular exo-gene secretion and if someone has more than a certain number of them, then they are said to have covid-19. And of course they raise the alarm, they lock up the population, the Chinese start with their outrages, their population is in survival mode and under much, much stress and ... not surprisingly they secrete more exo-gene, they give them the test and surprise they also have covid-19. Lock them up! Then it passes to more people to everyone and there they have their pandemic. That is why it is in part a pandemic of fear, and the numbers are manipulated using silly rules such as everyone who dies of any cause within 28 days of a positive test died of covid etc... And now, the all cause mortality really is going up because of... vaccines and ongoing fear / stress and rebranding the flu as covenza or whatever they are up to these days...

If you want to understand some work that has been done on this front, then I recommend the booklet called Breaking The Spell by Tom Cowan, which goes into more detail about the viral culture and how the field of virology has failed to do the control experiment. To prove his point, he funded the control experiment i.e., doing the viral culture without the virus specimen and got sars-cov-2 out the other end.

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axolotl_peyotl [S] 13 points ago +17 / -4 stickied

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Very well said, OP. In addition to Scurvy, there’s Pellagra which is caused by Niacin deficiency. There’s a whole host of diseases related to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Here’s the deal. We know Big Pharma is very corrupt and even “mainstream” scientists say research is “mostly false.”

The other thing people need to consider are Big Pharma and allopathic medicine’s origins. The whole system is an outgrowth of crooked eugenics-obsessed Rockefeller-Harriman interests which merged with the massive Nazi-backing German Dye Trust, IG Farben.

It’s all built on racketeering and eugenics. Germ theory is a cash cow and control scheme. “Had it not been for the mass selling of vaccines, Pasteur’s Germ Theory of Disease would have collapsed into obscurity.” – E. Douglas Hume

Pharma knowingly injected hundreds of millions with SV40 contaminated Salk “polio vaccines”.16746-9/fulltext)

“The Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and their Chase National Bank owned and controlled the majority interest in the German Dye Trust. It is interesting that the name Rockefeller did not appear in the indictment.” 1:395

”Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I. G. Farben in the first place and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II.” 2:17

“The Rockefellers own the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world, and use all of their other interests to bring pressure to increase the sale of drugs.” 3

The China Medical Board (CMB) was created in 1914 as one of the first operating divisions of the Rockefeller Foundation (RF).

Dr Stefan Lanka, virologist, molecular and marine biologist present the findings of a recent control experiment that shows that the Cytopathic Effect (CPE) that virologists look for in their cell culture experiments is actually caused by the conditions of the cell culture rather than a "virus."

Dr. Stefan Lanka Cytopathic Effect (CPE) - Control Experiment - 21 April 2021 - English version https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/cpe-english:f


FOIs reveal that health/science institutions around the world (138 and counting!) have no record of SARS-COV-2 isolation/purification, anywhere, ever

“Virology: Two Achilles Heels

  1. Isolation of viruses is not actually achieved, as it is claimed. Critical examples are poliovirus and HIV

  2. Toxicology is missing. That is, the toxic effects of antibiotics used in virological studies are not discounted. The clinical diagnoses and the epidemiology avoid environmental toxicology.” https://harvoa-med.blogspot.com/2020/08/viriso.html?m=1

Dr. Lanka writes: ”To date, no negative control experiments have been done with respect to the so-called measles virus either, which would have shown that it is the laboratory procedures that lead to the cytopathic effects on the cells. Additionally, all claims and experiments made by Enders et al. and the subsequent researchers lead to the only objective conclusion that in fact they were observing and analyzing dying cellular particles and the activity thereof in the test tube, misinterpreting these as particles and characteristics of the alleged measles virus.” https://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf

Dr Stefan Lanka on Virology, COVID-19, PCR, HIV & Measles https://lbry.tv/@halloftruth:c/dr-stefan-lanka-on-virology-covid-19-pcr-hiv-measles:5

Wuhan Lab, bioweapon, gain of function, but…the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t exist in the first place https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/05/31/wuhan-lab-bioweapon-gain-of-function-but-the-virus-doesnt-exist/

Dr. Tom Cowan writes: In other words, the CDC in 2004 knew that researchers couldn’t reliably know these particles were coronavirus particles. Not a word has been heard about this since. All virologists use these pictures as proof of the existence of this virus. It is a fraud, based on junk science, like everything else connected with “Covid 19.” https://drtomcowan.com/the-smoking-gun/

  • WHO is corrupt.

  • CDC is corrupt.

  • Fauci is corrupt.

  • FDA is corrupt.

  • AMA is corrupt.

Cadmium poisoning causes flu-like symptoms, lung damage and “an altered sense of smell” Governments have secretly sprayed citizens with cadmium and other toxins for decades.

Johns Hopkins connected to Skull & Bones since 1876. The school’s first president was “Bonesman” Daniel Coit Gilman.

Note: Dr. John Enders “The Father of Modern Vaccines” was a very wealthy member of Yale’s other secret society Scroll and Key.


(1) Rockefeller “Internationalist” The Man Who Misrules the World Emanuel M. Josephson, M.D., 1952

(2) Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler Antony C. Sutton, 1976

(3) The Drug Story Morris A. Bealle, 1949

axolotl_peyotl [S] 27 points ago +31 / -4

PSA: Shit like this would be stickied at the top of /r/conspiracy if the admins hadn't conspired with the feds to get me removed.

Notice how there have been zero informative or effective stickies in over a year.

ghost_of_aswartz 17 points ago +17 / -0

Dude, for your own mental health (and i've said this to myself yrs ago) you need to let /r/conspiracy go and focus on this sub, where you've made it, in many ways, better and more interesting and certainly freer than /r/conspiracy

ghost_of_aswartz 9 points ago +9 / -0

And we will help you. Tell us what we should do and we can crowdsource this MF

we already found shittons of the best conspiracy pdfs online on archive.org

and we're buiding a consensus on best documentary films and videos

projects like this

axolotl_peyotl [S] 3 points ago +7 / -4

you need to let /r/conspiracy go

It's hard because it had so much potential, and watching it squandered is so unfortunate.

but tbh, I have let it go, and I did last January when I was banned. It's still an important location to get info on what's going down on the front lines of the info war, so it's helpful to keep an eye on it for those purposes.

For example, I only found this thread by browsing the sub.

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DavidColeIntrepid 3 points ago +3 / -0

"the feds" are controlled by the international jew. If I said the government was controlled by foreign invaders 4 years ago Reddit would have given me all the gold stars they had.

They scream every side of every position until we can't take their gaslighting anymore. We recognize the game

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glownigger8675309 1 point ago +1 / -0

Gary Webb was up for 3 months after you were banned. Not that Gary Webb isn't worthy of study, but there's more relevant shit going on that's been studiously avoided.

BladesLastBottle 6 points ago +6 / -0

My man! This is what I fucking like to see. I don't know why more people aren't taking this serious, as far as conspiracys go there aren't many bigger then the germ theory.

Idontevenknow 6 points ago +6 / -0

Quality post! This is all new information to me, I will look up more as medical was never one of my subjects of interest much before this covid-crap. Thank you.

redkrab 5 points ago +5 / -0

What about hiv?

CucksForTheDonald 6 points ago +6 / -0

Ask yourself, who do you trust more? Anthony Fauci, who as head of NIAID established and funded the HIV/AIDS narrative?

Or Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR process, Nobel Prize recipient, who severely criticized Fauci for the HIV/AIDS narrative?


HIV is most likely a red herring. AIDS, on the other hand, is very possibly caused by something. From Bill Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse:


Sir Julian Huxley said, "Overpopulation is, in my opinion, the most serious threat to the whole future of our species." The project, called MK-NAOMI, was carried out at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Since large populations were to be decimated, the ruling elite decided to target the "undesirable" elements of society. Specifically targeted were the black, Hispanic, and homosexual populations. The poor homosexuals were encouraged on the one hand and scheduled for extinction on the other.

The African continent was infected via smallpox vaccine in 1977. The vaccine was administered by the World Health Organization. According to Dr. Robert Strecker, "Without a cure the entire black population of Africa will be dead within 15 years. Some countries are well beyond epidemic status."

The U.S. population was infected in 1978 with the hepatitis B vaccine. Dr. Wolf Szmuness, the ex-roommate of Pope John Paul II, was the mastermind behind the November/78 to October/79 and March/80 to October/81 experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials conducted by the Centers for Disease Control in New York, San Francisco and four other American cities. He loosed the plague of AIDS upon the American people. The gay population was infected. The ads for participants specifically asked for promiscuous homosexual male volunteers. Whatever causes AIDS was in the vaccine. The vaccine was manufactured and bottled in Phoenix, Arizona.

The order was given by the POLICY COMMITTEE of THE BILDERBERG GROUP based in Switzerland. Other measures were also ordered.

Whatever they did, it seems it did not have the desired effect of population control. So they realized they need to put injections into every arm, and for this they need a pretext. So they arranged immunity for vaccine manufacturers in the 1980s, and started work on Covid around 1999.

It turns out Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., has been fighting the same cabal that murdered his uncle. He realized he can't tackle them head-on, or they were going to eliminate him like they did others. So he invested himself into fighting the weapon they were going to use.

redkrab 2 points ago +2 / -0

i still dont get it. if you fuck someone with hvi/aids you get it from them. the thing you get was clearly not on your body. so whether you call it virus/bioengineered thingy, it didnt come from you right. it is foreign. and its not a bacteria or fungus. im not concerned about the origins, i know most of the shit is fake in the world already but im more into the facts of what happens now when someone contracts hiv/aids

Blackbeans 2 points ago +2 / -0

The video at the top explains it. About 10 minutes long. The webpage changes as mercola has to wipe info to save his ass. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/01/14/covid-pcr-tests-dont-work.aspx

redkrab 1 point ago +1 / -0

thanks! how does the terrain theory plays with the lab-made viruses conspiracy and bioweapons in general? what exactly are they bioengineering if virus are nothing but shells?

Blackbeans 2 points ago +2 / -0

I struggle putting it all together. The gist of this thread is that viruses signal detox actions but aren't necessarily the culprit. I also think that the medical industry truly believes the germ theory and were trying to create a new deadly one. Maybe the deadline arrived and so instead of releasing virus they just gave the cold a media makeover. Also increased contaminants plus stress will increase a population's death count.

redkrab 1 point ago +1 / -0

i agree! thanks

Housewife 1 point ago +1 / -0

The medical industry is incentivized to believe it. Money is only given to germ theory research. And germ theory provides an endless stream of money for researching specific toxins and patenting a specific treatment tailored to that toxin.

Some may think otherwise, but then you can lose your lab, grant money, be attacked and ostracized. They’ve all blinded themselves willingly or inadvertently.

CucksForTheDonald 1 point ago +2 / -1

if you fuck someone with hvi/aids you get it from them.

Transmission from unprotected, non-dry penis-in-vagina intercourse is estimated around 1:500. They have to do multi-year studies on serodiscordant couples (where one is HIV positive and the other is not) to estimate transmissibility, that's how rarely it happens.

Transmission via anal sex appears to be 20x higher, especially for the recipient.

Note that we're looking at transmission of HIV, which does not necessarily cause anything. It's matter of whether you trust Fauci or Mullis if you believe that HIV causes something, or that something else causes something and the HIV might simply be a sign of it.

im more into the facts of what happens now when someone contracts hiv/aids

"Germ theory" is to focus on how 10 people are in a room with someone who has a cold, and 3 people get sick.

"Terrain theory" is to focus on how 10 people are in a room with someone who has a cold, and 7 people don't get sick.

ArcaneSlang 2 points ago +2 / -0

The anus is full of blood vessels and the transmission of hiv/aids has to do with what’s called the M gene. The vagina is a self cleaning organ with secretions full of leukocytes. That is why anal sex is a high risk behavior. I have a loose understanding of all this but with decades of reading it’s starting to sink in.

Fileiro 1 point ago +3 / -2

You don't "GET" hiv from someone you fuck that has the virus. You get a PCR test (ever heard of those?) which TELLS YOU that you have the hiv virus.

No PCR test = no hiv.

Simple as.


redkrab 3 points ago +3 / -0

???? how does that explain hiv positive people being decimated by a flu or anything else? where does the immunodepressive syndrome comes from?

Housewife 2 points ago +2 / -0

AZT was a chemo**drug they gave to hiv positive people to fight the infection. It was poisonous and caused diseases that were explained as AIDS.

New hiv drugs are tested using AZT as a control. Botched science and covering their trail to make billions.

Also hiv started in a community of drug and popper using, multi course a year antibiotic taking, 1000+ sexual partners a year community. Hiv is theorized to be a harmless or relatively passive virus that can pass via sex/IV drugs. And the lifestyle was killing these people. It decimated their gut bacteria and damaged their bodies so they died from damn near anything which is what AIDS is.

This particular community would just have sex and take std antibiotics to continue on with their life. They rejected the “terrain” theory and demanded drugs which killed them.

Also the same manufacturer of poppers made AZT. They damaged the lungs of these people and destroyed their immune systems with toxic drugs, then poisoned them to death with AZT.

Blackbeans 2 points ago +2 / -0

Look up higher side chats interviewing RFK, Jr. The drug used to treat hiv was what was killing people. Kind of like today. Also Fauci was behind it.

NooneFor2024 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same with cancer really. It's not cancer that is killing patients. It's the "treatments".

thesarl 4 points ago +4 / -0

Very good, and I see the logic here. I did a bunch of research about Terrain Theory last year. One question I don’t have an answer to is: what is chicken pox?

Do you (or any of the few terrain theory advocates here) have an explanation of how chicken pox is apparently highly contagious and also a one-and-done?

Blackbeans 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wonder the same thing. I think Thomas Cowan has some explanations. Something along the lines that as you are growing up you have to go through some important changes and you excrete out some toxins at a certain point when you are young. It ends up being good for you in the long run.

Stormwatcher 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh wow that was an interesting read! I think I saw this post on r/conspiracy this week sometime. Thank you for spacing it out, IIRC it was just a text block when I came upon it

I have been studying biology for almost 20 years (mostly micro biology and molecular bio) and an definitely confirm that we know much less than we think we do about these things

As I read that I kept thinking about something I learned long long ago about nutrient limitation in plants. So plants need soluble nitrogen in order to live/grow/metabolize, these are nitrates and nitrites (NO2 and NO3), the air is 79% Nitrogen (N2). N2 is converted into oxidized, soluble nitrogen by an enzyme called Nitrogenase that is rarely found in plants, it mostly is done by soil bacteria and some symbiotic bacteria in the form of root nodules called Rhyzobia (sp? It has been awhile).. Clover is a good example of a plant that harbors these Nitrogen fixing root nodules.. At the center of the Nitrogenase enzyme molecule is a metallic Molybdenum ion, the enzyme cannot function without this ion. So a lot of times when we think a plant is nitrogen limited, it can actually Molybdenum limited.. Add a little trace ion solution to the soil and the problem goes away permanently

So I guess my point is that there is no substitution for actually understanding the whole system when it comes to problem solving

As to the above topic, the question I came away with is "why did it stop?"

So these people in Wuhan or wherever they were, were seeing great toxicity in the bodies of the sick from other things like for example 5G type electromagnetic radiation & air pollution

If the toxins are still there why aren't they just getting sick over and over? Surely these signaling bodies are going to keep being generated over and over in the toxic environment?

illuphantasm 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wonderful post.

The virus lie is clever because it swaps one thing for another and misdirects the attention of the medical industry towards the symptoms rather than the root cause. Most people will not question their health if they feel well and become weaned onto an ever expanding cocktail of drugs.

This rather famous video by Tom Barnette went the rounds at the start of the Covid-19 plandemic. It helped make sense of a lot of things.

Now for a theory on HIV/AIDS that may be of interest. The theory states that AIDS is caused by male ejaculation into the anus. The female womb is insulated. The sperm has to be able to suppress the immune system for the newly fertilized egg not to be killed as a parasite (which it, in a cynical way, is). Anal sex will not immediately ravage the immune system because sperm is killed by internal body temperature: hence, the need for a scrotum. However, if people persist and refuse to relent, the immune system has no choice but to collapse.

This theory seems the most likely to me. AIDS was first known apolitically as GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Also, the ancient Egyptians taught that the semen of another man was poison.

This theory is covered in Your Body's Many Cries for Water. The link is a free PDF version of the book. Chapter 11 discusses AIDs. If I recall correctly, the author spent years in an Iranian prison for this view.

Even if this theory seems like a stretch, the rest of the book is good. And it is not too long of a read.

ArcaneSlang 1 point ago +1 / -0

The other thing about the virus lie is that, using myself as an example, I agree with OP on this but in day to day activities I notice I have to correct myself from thinking from these theory perspectives( germ theory etc) The conditioning is strong.

SuicideTruthbomber 3 points ago +3 / -0

I read a few paragraphs. It is so patently false that I didn't even feel the need to continue. I think this edit to the source says it all:

edit: now that this post has aged a day, I just want to reveal the source of this information because although I understand the message, it didn't all come from me, the main message came from an extraterrestrial race who shared this information in a lecture called What is a virus? You can read the full lecture here: https://swaruu.org/en/transcripts/what-is-a-virus-extraterrestrial-pleiadian-communication-taygeta

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uuurrrgggaaayyy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fuck Reddit

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axolotl_peyotl [S] -3 points ago +3 / -6

yeah the Lieber thing kinda got swept under the rug huh? seems like a war going on behind the scenes. I do think all will be revealed someday...can't wait. I too wonder about the 5g thing.

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axolotl_peyotl [S] -3 points ago +3 / -6

is there any kind of oral history of the R/conspiracy board

there should be! there are folks who know the lore in way more detail than I.

and yeah I remember the old featured doc thing before I became a mod, that's one of the reasons I revived it again. crazy how there have essentially been 0 relevant or informative stickies or discussions in over a year now. and thanks!

gently_caress 2 points ago +2 / -0

That may explain why China is turning off electricity in some regions a few days a week...

d5f3 2 points ago +3 / -1

Nobody cares about Stefan Lanka, Tomas Cowan, Samantha Bailey and Andrew Kaufmann interviewing each other and saying the same thing over and over again. The only 2 questions that the general public is interested in are:

  • what makes people sick
  • how to avoid dying from it

Regardless of whether you subscribe to the terrain theory or not, this is such an impotent argument that if Lanka wasn't legit, Gates would have to create someone like him. Then this Gates-sponsored "virus-denier" would build a following that would create a division within the opposition and undermine their efforts by writing comments like "The virus wasn't isolated" under every video about early treatment or bio-weapon research.

Questionable 2 points ago +2 / -0

The way I see it is simple. It's not whether Terrain Theory or Germ Theory is correct, it's a Question of which one is more predominantly accurate. 90%/10%

Fresno_Nightcrawler 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly. To deny Germ Theory, one denies contagion. Both Germ and Terrain theories can be true.

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ghost_of_aswartz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Axo: are you conflating viruses with exosomes?

ghost_of_aswartz 3 points ago +3 / -0


They are two separate things, however it seems viruses hijack the exosomal machinery also to move their particles (wrapped viral particles, rna, dna, capsids) between cells; so there is truth to what you're saying.

CWAC_Patriot 4 points ago +4 / -0

We're on the conspiracy forum, so I feel comfortable questioning whether viruses "hacked" exosomal machinery, or are they the same thing? Is the line clear or blurry?

Of course the scientists believe they are two different things, because that's how they've been taught. But are they actually?

I think it's a curious theory, but it has holes. Like if viruses are just exosomes, how does "measles" exist? Or two variants of "Pertussis (whooping cough)".