Know Thy Talmud #1 (The Talmud Conspiracy)
Know Thy Talmud #3 (What You Need to Know)
If the Talmud is quite evil, surly it must be easy to just link to an online version and cite it talking about how to kill all non-jews, steal from them or enslave them? Actually no, if it was that easy, then everyone on the planet would have already known about the Jewish Talmudic problem, you just can't expect an online Talmud version put up by an ex-google engineer to really put it out on the open now would you?
You can't easily cite the evils in the Talmud for the following reasons:
1-The Talmud is massive, in some prints, well over 20 volumes! And that's just the Babylonian Talmud, there is the Palestinian Talmud (Considered less credible), and there is the mystic version, the Zohar, and there are many, many more books and commentaries or abridged versions. In addition the Talmud (Babylonian), its laws (Mishna) are written in special Hebrew, you can't just study ordinary Hebrew to understand it correctly, the commentary and explanatory parts (Gemara) are written in Aramaic (anyone remember when Israeli ISIS tried to destroy the only city in existence which speaks it (Maaloula, Syria)), The Palestinian Talmud Gemara is written in different form of Aramaic (Western). And I can go on and on, basically it's quite difficult to wade through the Talmud for its size and ancient language, Christian Europe only discovered its evil around the 13th century!! And it happened through the few jewish converts such as (Nicolas Donin, Pablo Christiani, Johannes Pfefferkorn)
Additionally, there has been many disputations, such as the Lwów disputation in September 1759 involving Jacob Frank.
2-Because the Talmud was discovered to be evil on various occasions which led to pogroms and its burnings (France 1242, in addition to Rome and Barcelona); "Clean" or "Expurgated" versions of the Talmud were eventually used while the "original" versions hidden in synagogues. One of the first expurgated versions was one printed in Basil 1578-1581. The versions which contain all the clear references are the Venice version printed in 1520-1523 by Daniel Bomberg, and the Amsterdam version printed in 1644-1648. If you want a hint to know that you are on to something, try buying one of those version or any old Talmud versions for that matter!!!
In short: Due to government and self censorship, all "modern" Talmud versions do not have the exact clear terms, instead they are deleted or renamed with words the Rabbis understand, (Jesus sometimes renamed into "the one whose memory shall be erased" etc..)
If this is the case, then how do we know about its evils? There are still references of those who examined those issues such as: Talmud Unmasked
Additionally there are many books on the subject, unfortunately these books are disappearing by the day! Please do save the info I have written and the PDFs I linked such as the Talmud Unmasked.
Very informative, thanks for the write-up! I've had Talmud Unmasked saved to my digital library for while, but you've inspired me to bump it up my reading list.
You are always welcomed clemaneuverers. Glad you found some of the info useful. In a few days I will probably write part 3, about some of the crazy laws and rules of the Talmud.
After reading about the Talmud; I get the feeling its way of thinking has shaped our lives. You know the useless meaningless disclaimers no one reads, the large volumes of law books and laws that are in practice nothing but a gold mine for those practicing it and are in the business of "justice"? Now I understand why the law business is also dominated by the tribe. In part it is not very different from Talmud books and Rabbis religious matters and how they dispute it.
Yes, it's all coded, it's not like opening an online version and hitting search "Goyim" and then you find what it says. There has been word changes, not just Jesus, sometimes even those changed words are coded! The one whose memory shall be erased, is also used in acronym form as a single word, so not even put directly. Also sometimes they refer to the goyim as the Canaanite or Babylonians, evil ones etc.., sometimes they even leave things outright empty.
This has been the result of a very long war between the Church and the Rabbis, proof of this war can be easily found.
For any one denying this, I think the fact that the Talmud was written AFTER Jesus's time, tells a lot. It's a perfectly safe assumption to make that jews didn't exactly like Christians and that they would write something about it in their books.
As I explained, "Yeshu" was a name before it was an acronym, so any reader would understand first it meant anyone with a Joshua-derived name, and applying the acronym to it centuries later was an added redefinition. There was no scenario in which "Yeshu" was replaced with the phrase, the phrase was replaced with the acronym (still "Yeshu"), and the original name was lost; that's all a misinterpretation.
We do have an acronym "Akum" meaning "star and constellation worshipper", which is a euphemism for idolators including Christians. That doesn't affect much because any castigation of idolators is likely valid and the missing piece of whether Christians are idolators is never directly addressed. In Talmudic times all sectarians (minim) were treated alike and there was never a time when Christians (who started out as just a Jewish sect) were singled out. In medieval times there is some objection to "lords of three", but this likely means tritheists in context (apostates among Christians), as the Jewish stream of thought did not have any language by which it could directly reject trinitarians.
So most statements against groups, even if we assume they are codenames, have the features that (1) they are not officially, or normatively, against Christians, and (2) if they mean Christians among a group of Jews then that coding has no effect outside its reach and can only be rejected when it is made clear. For instance, it seems to me that a few people here use the word "jogger" to indicate a particular race. These users can always say they didn't mean anything other than one who jogs, and if they are actually using the word to communicate evil intent then nobody outside can catch them without formal proof. We can argue that this looks duplicitous and double-dealing, but we can't use statements about joggers, out of context, to prove to an outsider that the evil intent is present. Should we then regard all users of the word "jogger" as racist? Of course not.
The Jews pronounce Jesus name as "Yeshu", a corruption of Jesus' Hebrew name "Yeshua" and it's an abbreviation of "yimach shemo ve'zichro" - "may his name and his remembrance be obliterated".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu
Another (code)name used by the Jews is "Yoshke", a corruption of Jesus' Hebrew name "Yeshua". They also call him "mamzer" (bastard).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamzer
Is this like saying their fanfics are terrible, yet still canon, so Leia married the wookie?
Or are you saying Han fired first and it was changed to hide their true character?
Or are you saying Tatooine is a metaphor for the burning temple and you have to look into the signs?
I own a jew bible and it's almost verbatim the christian bible, except it stops early.
I am saying all of them Rabbis are Ugnaughts!!
You do not own a jew bible! If you have read part1: https://conspiracies.win/p/13zfvWer8H/know-thy-talmud-1-the-talmud-con/ you would have realized, the Torah (Old testament) is not their bible!!
Their real "bible" is the Talmud! An unfathomably large, difficult to understand, full of nonsense and contradictions book!!!
In short, they wrote their "bible" (up to 20 volumes book!!) after Jesus's time, it was written by many crazed Rabbis (Ugnaughts), everyone adding something to it until it became an evil monstrosity! Please do take the time to read both of my posts on the Talmud so far, it will be worth it.
Thanks for the mind-blow.
Any books or references we can get more information on the elites you describe?
Thank you for the reply and info. Much appreciated.
Just downloaded your book to start looking through. Would you have any suggestions for further reading/viewing to better prep moving forward?
I subscribed to your channel but will also check out what you’ve provided. Thanks. It’s definitely an avenue I’d like to explore more, since most others I’ve traveled just lead to dead ends.
Your book is a massive undertaking. I wish I could comprehend more, but I suppose that’s more a personal limitation. I’m trying to get better at this sort of study.
So much of this is blatantly false and serves to push the same old tired accusations against Jewish people through, in my opinion, willful and intentional misinterpretation of the Talmud.
The fix is in from the get-go, as you claim that the book is brimming with evil yet this can't be verified because the super secret editions that contain these offensive passages have been hidden away from prying eyes. Well, that's certainly convenient for you.
You cite the prohibitively expensive bidding prices for these early Talmud editions as some sort of proof that truth-seekers are "onto something." If that's the case, what dark secrets of the Illuminati does this first edition Oscar Wilde hold? It's six times the price of the second Talmud you linked, so maybe it's six times as evil? Guess we'll never know.
I'm no expert (and neither are you), but it's clear that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Talmud is. It's a bit like this messageboard: a matter arises and many people voice their opinions. Every opinion is considered, but some have more authority than others. If you read something like "Talmud Unmasked," you'll see how the conversational structure of the text is used to shape a false claim.
I have no time or interest in going through it to debunk it (and from what I know about this forum, I suspect it would fall on deaf ears), but to pluck something random as an example, I clicked on the section "Christians To Be Harmed Directly." Here, it says:
Even a Christian who is found studying the Law of Israel merits death. In Sanhedrin (59a) it says: "Rabbi Jochanan says: A Goi who pries into the Law is guilty to death."
The actual passage does indeed contain this phrase, but it's incomplete. What follows is a rabbi of higher authority admonishing the previous rabbi for suggesting such a thing and ruling instead that a non-Jew who studies the Torah should be respected and treated as a high priest.
So yeah, it's actually the exact opposite of what "Talmud Unmasked" is suggesting here and I would imagine that it's largely filled with misrepresentations and falsehoods just like this one.
Apologies for the long post, but this is an easy one to call bullshit on.
BTW sorry just a quick addition for you if you ever waste time on the Talmud, again please note that because it is MASSIVE, many contradictory things can be gleaned from it. Someone can make it as a book good for the "goy", others as bad for the "goy", in the Gemara there are many explanations, you can pick whatever you want.
But.... it seems the orthodox rabbis, or jews in control, so called "elite" always pick the worst.
for example occupying Palestine is strictly not allowed in the Talmud and the Torah, it can only happen after the messiah have already come. You are not supposed to hasten his coming, yet due to the influence of Zionism they found some texts which allows it and order it!!! Neturei Karta are actual more accurate and correct about that point
So I tell people the Talmud should be understood as a giant wiki with frontpages and backpages. It has everyone's opinion, and all it goes to show is what opinions existed. In many cases the majority opinion can be found by following the flow, and in some of these cases the majority is regarded as binding on Orthodox Jewish practice, but these are a very small percentage (1%-5%) of the opinions in the Talmud.
Your assertion that the Orthodox pick the worst reading does not seem to be instantiable. I don't believe the Talmud forbids occupation of Palestine prior to Messiah; rather, Ezekiel 36-37 indicates that return to Palestine will happen before Israel understands the Messiah's purpose, and no Talmudic passage will contradict that. The idea you quote is that, since everything is foreknown deterministically by God, it's impossible to "hasten" or "slow" the coming of Messiah by action, but since free will exists it's appropriate to do what is right that will in time bring the coming of Messiah. So if the Talmud speaks of occupying the land of Biblical Israel, it only builds on the Old (and New) Testament prophecies about this.
No worries brother I have read your post, I didn't rely just on the Talmud Unmasked, there are many other sources, some I mentioned, others not, I also have other physical books I am reading which for personal reasons I cannot mention here.
But to be quite honest, I know this is a big shift for you to take on, but you do not need any extensive reading to know the evils of the Talmud. The simple fact that the Talmud was written after Jesus's time, that the Jews consider Jesus an imposter. The fact that the Talmud was written by a large group of people over time. People who for the most part were a minority, all hints to the same conclusions that they have not written quite benevolent things towards Christians.
Add to that the fact of Jewish crimes against Palestinians and how some of them are on record celebrating killing, crippling and maiming Palestinian children. The multitude of reports of Orthodox Jews attacking Christians pastors, how Jews were heavily involved in the slave trade, and on and on.
I realize like all religious people, the Jew does not really know his texts. How much time do you need to study the massive Talmud? But as I assume if you are an Israeli or a Jew, I implore you to do this: Go to an orthodox synagogue preferably those in Jerusalem, and say this: "I always get the feeling that as a jew, there is something distinct about me, something different from the non jew,as if I am on a mission, etc..." Let them spill the bean for you. You will be told how superior you are to the non-jew and how non jews are animals shaped as humans to serve the jews. Don't go to an orthodox from the perspective of many people on the internet are attacking the jews with this claims how can I respond, be sly about it.
The best proof of Talmud content, is the orthodox jew himself!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5LPh1ORVA
Actually he is mistaken, the correct number is 2820 slaves!
Quick note: Do you know that many Jewish women in israel cannot get a divorce because the Talmud says only the man can divorce? A large amount of suffering was caused by this.
I'm not commenting on the war much while it's in progress because I think its conclusion will indicate the judgments to be made. It's obvious that anyone in war celebrates the defeat of the enemy, and sometimes soldiers go overboard compared to mature moral judgment, so I don't take war drama as proving much.
The legal status of Christians in Israel is a valid criticism; the historical involvement of Jews in dehumanizing trades is a criticism; these can be traced to the Talmudic period without any need to misrepresent the text. The Christian Bible saying that it is a man's prerogative to write a divorce decree (Deut. 24:1-4) is a different method of handling divorce than our own, and has its criticisms, but Jesus affirmed it and our own doesn't seem to have removed suffering.
To answer your other question, some Jews make a schedule to read one page of Talmud a day, which takes about seven years.
I've pointed out that the correct number of slaves is indeed 2,800, found in Shabbat 32b: "Anyone who is vigilant in ritual fringes merits two thousand eight hundred servants will serve him." This is an imaginative reading of Zech. 8:23 (10 men, 70 nations, 4 fringes) and as such the correct reading is promised to every grafted-in covenant believer. Whatever Zechariah means for the future destiny of the Christian in commanding the allegiance of others, I claim for myself. So the Jewish tradition making this out to be 2,800 slaves is just one interpretation that might apply to all true believers in God.
Your video is useful in showing how these thoughts are applied in Orthodoxy, but it's clear that they are being contextualized as well along the lines I describe. The unbeliever is not as humane as the believer; the believer benefits from the many labors of many people around the world; the believer hopes for a kingly lifestyle in a future heaven on earth. If we were to compare these hopes to other eschatological views in other religions we would find nothing surprising. Context is the necessity.
As I said in part 1: The entire Talmud is relatively stable online in its three sections (Bavli or Babylonian is the biggest and often mistaken for the whole). Tracking individual medieval rabbinic opinions is indeed difficult but these are rarely authoritative.
https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Mishnah
https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud/Bavli
https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud/Yerushalmi
Part 2 here is not too far off the mark. The biggest problem with finding cites is that the citers themselves are excessively erratic. If you quote the Talmud accurately and by folio, it's easy to find, but if you say the Bible says somewhere God helps those who help themselves then who can know what you're talking about? Then there is a second problem with finding cites, namely that there are a few words changed, and a few passages expurgated, but this is no more difficult than handling the Bible either; and in fact some expurgations were mandated by the Inquisition.
The medieval Zohar and the many commentaries are indeed hard to track, but they don't represent Judaism. If I go and say a Christian book says there is no hell, that's not Christianity. But in the 19th century many critics of Judaism (including Pranaitis of "Talmud Unmasked") lumped everything they heard or could find into long books of critiques that were divorced from context; and my quotes page traces how many of these were further made unfindable due to transcriptions from German, French, etc., and recompilation over time. The original authors often had manuscripts at hand that we have no idea how to find nowadays, meaning the originals have no reach whatsoever nowadays except via their being misquoted! So, overall, the disputation between everything ever said in Judaism and every criticism ever made in Christianity is indeed poorly organized in every century and still ongoing. But we can always assist the processing of that disputation here in small part.
Since the Talmud has faced variant readings, we do indeed need to use a little textual criticism to compare readings, just as with the Bible or any ancient text. But, even when we take the worst readings, they never amount to dogmatic Judaism, they only indicate trends in Jewish thought that come and go. We can learn from the worst of the trends, but we have no right to treat all modern Jews as following the extremes. It's appropriate to know how the variants may indicate an earlier text, but without direct evidence we can't invent a text that isn't extant simply because other things had other variants. For instance, Yeshu is never replaced with "the one whose memory shall be erased", that's a misunderstanding. It's always Yeshu, but in one instance it is said that Yeshu is an acronym for "may his name and his memory be erased", so that readers, if they wish, can think the one thought whenever they read the name Yeshu. But Yeshu is not Jesus's name, it's a nickname that wouldn't have been applied to him except possibly in one hill-country region of Judea. So having the facts is essential to process the criticism correctly.
I'm not prepared to discuss every page of "Talmud Unmasked" yet, but I've begun a collection, linked above, of the most egregious charges when placed in their right context. I agree entirely with OP on the point that the right understanding of these passages in context is essential to being able to object to facets of Talmudic Judaism. The problem is that the original objectors (among which Pranaitis was more balanced than average) overcompensated so much in the direction of castigation that their misattributions remain memetic today. It's true that there's an insularity in the Talmudic culture that appears debasing to outsiders, but that aspect is true of most races and religions and that is why we need the truth of Jesus as Messiah to remove such barriers. By misrepresenting the Talmud we only increase the barrier, challenging readers either to grow more racist than the Talmud is accused of being, or else to grow more sympathetic toward the Talmud in its having been misrepresented.