Game of chess. Until somebody fucks up more than just their pawns. As the region remains in perpetual proxy wars. As it always has done historically. Nothing really changes until you break some more teeth.
First: Trusting Israel to keep another in nation "in check" is a laughable position... but anyway
Second: I wonder if there isn't more to the desperation to keep Iran, and other "outsider" nations, from developing nukes.
There's a line of thinking, supported by evidence, that nuclear bombs were fake at the beginning and could still be impossible now. Early demonstration footage of test nuclear explosions has been obviously faked (miniature models being "blown up", impossible camera angles, footage splicing etc) and the aftermath of cities that got "nuked" in Japan bears a striking resemblance to a mass fire bombing campaign, like what happened in Dresden. Witness testimony, at the time reported in mainstream press but forgotten about now, has people sheltering in the basement of wooden houses, and surviving, and not experiencing and deadly nuclear illness when they emerged from their hiding place. Only the wooden buildings were completely destroyed, back when the majority of buildings there were wooden, so it looked devastating. However concrete buildings remained standing, if scorched, and right at the supposed "ground zero" too...
Israel's desperation to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons could actually be about preventing them from fully realising that Israel doesn't really have nukes, nor does America or any other nation...
On that one I have to disagree. The early nukes were real and were witnessed by various reputable scientists. One of my professors, Richard Feynman, not only worked on the Manhattan Project but was present at early tests, and he described the explosions. In particular, the nukes emit ultraviolet and gamma rays that no conventional explosive gives out. And the use of Geiger counters shows right away the sites were radioactive.
Also there is a LOT of evidence that atomic explosives are real. Basically any of our nuclear power plants could blow up if it were not for elaborate preventatives in the mechanisms. Everyone in the power industry knows it, nuclear sub technicians know it.
A final proof that bombs blew up is that the sites were and are radioactive. A conventional bomb would not do that nor create the special radioactive isotopes that only a nuke could make. In fact, the damn early air bursts contamimated the globe with radioactive cobalt. After they learned better, they started putting tests underground.
I'm not taking a hard line with this. But I believe we definitely don't have the full story, as to the development and use of nuclear bombs. Perhaps they tested some which were somewhat real early on. Or maybe all tests were faked, one way or another. Many intelligent and reputable physicists believe the Apollo Moon landings were exactly as NASA said they were, for example. I'm sure there are ones who even observed the rocket take-offs first hand and never doubted that they brought those astronauts to the moon.
There is plenty of documentation from the atomic bomb tests which are essentially manipulated photos, film shots from impossible angles (i.e. from within the blast zone, looking back at a house being destroyed, which in fact essentially looks like a minature being blown up), flimsy wooden structures still standing, after the explosions, too close to the test area, etc.
The 2 bomb drops in Japan were likely actually napalming of those largely wooden structured cities, by 66 air force planes documented to be in Japan at the time. Witnesses described being surprised how much the aftermath looked like the aftermath of a firebombing and not like some new phenomenon. People survived unscathed in the basements of wooden structures and had no radiation sickness when they emerged. A 40-year study of thousands of Japanese who survived the alleged atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki found radiation exposure did not cause genetic damage that could lead to human mutations. Pictures of so-called radiation burned bodies could equally be bodies that have been chemically burned by napalm.
Clem, I respect you so I am not attacking and will not attack you. But I have to disagree on the nukes being nonreal because I have deep scholastic connections in the physics community from which I know a lot related to nuclear weapons that I very much trust to be true.
I totally agree that many things are manipulated and have been for government reasons
Okay, so:
Makow:
I read Makow daily and have for many years. Some of what he posts is valid and on target. Some is speculative but credible. However, some guest columnists are way off base and not to be trusted. The Brabantian material very much diverges from reality. There is zero question whether the explosions produce radioactive materials that no conventional explosives can produce. Nukes produce radioactives of both the short-term isotope kind, and isotopes with longer lifetimes. After all a-bomb tests one can immediately detect short-term isotopes that did not exist before in the area. There is no other way they can exist than as products of a nuclear explosion. Interestingly, after the 9/11 event there was radioactive tritium in the area that could not have come from anything but a mini-nuke.
Mathis:
Mathis is a smart guy but he builds wrong models underlying his explanations. He is an intelligent but messed up guy.
A key flaw in his explanation here is that MANY of the ships bordering the explosion had to be scrapped and mothballed because they became radioactive, again from isotopes synthesized by the explosions. This really invalidates his conclusions.
Renegade:
Partly leverages off Brabantian, and claiming napalm and conventional explosives caused all the burning damage is partly bad physics. First of all, the blast energy was higher than conventional materials. Second, Hiroshima became radioactive, AND Japanese suffered radiation burns, not just conventional burns.
Finally, I have some technical knowledge about nuclear weapons and I assure you they are real and not a story made up to fool the public, or even the Germans who had their own bomb research. The basic technology use in some of the bombs even killed a scientist in a lab accident that is well documented where he accidentally caused a sub-critical reaction that did not explode fortunately but which created a radioactive burst that killed him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin
The technology is real. Even a civilian, with the right materials, could create a very low yield gun-type atomic bomb.
You don't seem to like those sources I linked above, but really, they are not original researchers, merely relaying and summarizing the research of others (without attribution in the case of Mathis, I believe).
Original researchers are listed below, also for anyone interested in this topic who wants to read more extensively about it:
Not entire nations. The people who control them, though, can obviously be in cahoots, and part of a common cult. I believe this has been the case for close to 130 years, at the very least. There were so many big hoaxes in the 20th century it's genuinely incredible... except that one by one, they collapse upon open-minded research.
Nuclear science is clearly not allowed to be seriously done by anyone without that nation's government's approval and it being involved somehow.
If you want more insight on how it's possible, you could look into how true physicists, the genuinely curious ones and not the government career stooges, know that much of what Einstein theorized has largely been ruled out by subsequent observations and experiments... and yet he's still held up as the pinnacle of Physics.
The dearth of evidence to the contrary of his theories has been ignored and suppressed for decades in the the mainstream... you can't get funding if anything you do creates evidence that contradicts Einstein's theories. A wealthy and powerful group of people (and their cohorts, successors and inheritors) with similar ideologies and goals, actively ensure that.
Having said that, I don't think they are a coherent group. I think it's clear that they struggle against each other for bigger shares of power, wealth and influence.
But some lies, like nuclear weapons for example, are just too useful to all of them, and so they continue fund, propagate, protect and build upon those lies.
Add to that the saying: It's practically impossible to get a man to disbelieve something if his career and livelihood depend on him believing it.
Yes, you are taking a farcical position. That of flatly believing in something you've clearly never looked into with an open mind. And that of believing Israel's keeping other nations "in check" is a positive thing.
Are you 100% those were "radiation burns"?
Considering all the logistics taken in WW2, how hard is it to pull that one if (among many other reasons) they intended to fool Stalin into believing they had a secret god like weapon to keep him in check? (He later found out and faked his own "nuke" using the same method of the recent Beirut harbor "nuke".
If you see the footage of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with an open mind you could see there is a lot of merit that there was no nukes. The heat was so great from the fire bombings that there will be no shortage of fire burn pictures.
yasad (to establish) mossad (foundation). The foundation for form/flow represents energy; the foundation for form within flow represents comprehension (forms potential) of perceived (flows potentiality).
Game of chess. Until somebody fucks up more than just their pawns. As the region remains in perpetual proxy wars. As it always has done historically. Nothing really changes until you break some more teeth.
First: Trusting Israel to keep another in nation "in check" is a laughable position... but anyway
Second: I wonder if there isn't more to the desperation to keep Iran, and other "outsider" nations, from developing nukes.
There's a line of thinking, supported by evidence, that nuclear bombs were fake at the beginning and could still be impossible now. Early demonstration footage of test nuclear explosions has been obviously faked (miniature models being "blown up", impossible camera angles, footage splicing etc) and the aftermath of cities that got "nuked" in Japan bears a striking resemblance to a mass fire bombing campaign, like what happened in Dresden. Witness testimony, at the time reported in mainstream press but forgotten about now, has people sheltering in the basement of wooden houses, and surviving, and not experiencing and deadly nuclear illness when they emerged from their hiding place. Only the wooden buildings were completely destroyed, back when the majority of buildings there were wooden, so it looked devastating. However concrete buildings remained standing, if scorched, and right at the supposed "ground zero" too...
Israel's desperation to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons could actually be about preventing them from fully realising that Israel doesn't really have nukes, nor does America or any other nation...
On that one I have to disagree. The early nukes were real and were witnessed by various reputable scientists. One of my professors, Richard Feynman, not only worked on the Manhattan Project but was present at early tests, and he described the explosions. In particular, the nukes emit ultraviolet and gamma rays that no conventional explosive gives out. And the use of Geiger counters shows right away the sites were radioactive.
Also there is a LOT of evidence that atomic explosives are real. Basically any of our nuclear power plants could blow up if it were not for elaborate preventatives in the mechanisms. Everyone in the power industry knows it, nuclear sub technicians know it. A final proof that bombs blew up is that the sites were and are radioactive. A conventional bomb would not do that nor create the special radioactive isotopes that only a nuke could make. In fact, the damn early air bursts contamimated the globe with radioactive cobalt. After they learned better, they started putting tests underground.
Follow some of the links and info given in these articles:
http://www.renegadetribune.com/hiroshima-firebombed-not-nuked/
https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/07/nuclear-bombs-do-not-exist.html
http://mileswmathis.com/bikini.pdf
I'm not taking a hard line with this. But I believe we definitely don't have the full story, as to the development and use of nuclear bombs. Perhaps they tested some which were somewhat real early on. Or maybe all tests were faked, one way or another. Many intelligent and reputable physicists believe the Apollo Moon landings were exactly as NASA said they were, for example. I'm sure there are ones who even observed the rocket take-offs first hand and never doubted that they brought those astronauts to the moon.
There is plenty of documentation from the atomic bomb tests which are essentially manipulated photos, film shots from impossible angles (i.e. from within the blast zone, looking back at a house being destroyed, which in fact essentially looks like a minature being blown up), flimsy wooden structures still standing, after the explosions, too close to the test area, etc.
The 2 bomb drops in Japan were likely actually napalming of those largely wooden structured cities, by 66 air force planes documented to be in Japan at the time. Witnesses described being surprised how much the aftermath looked like the aftermath of a firebombing and not like some new phenomenon. People survived unscathed in the basements of wooden structures and had no radiation sickness when they emerged. A 40-year study of thousands of Japanese who survived the alleged atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki found radiation exposure did not cause genetic damage that could lead to human mutations. Pictures of so-called radiation burned bodies could equally be bodies that have been chemically burned by napalm.
Clem, I respect you so I am not attacking and will not attack you. But I have to disagree on the nukes being nonreal because I have deep scholastic connections in the physics community from which I know a lot related to nuclear weapons that I very much trust to be true.
I totally agree that many things are manipulated and have been for government reasons
Okay, so:
Makow: I read Makow daily and have for many years. Some of what he posts is valid and on target. Some is speculative but credible. However, some guest columnists are way off base and not to be trusted. The Brabantian material very much diverges from reality. There is zero question whether the explosions produce radioactive materials that no conventional explosives can produce. Nukes produce radioactives of both the short-term isotope kind, and isotopes with longer lifetimes. After all a-bomb tests one can immediately detect short-term isotopes that did not exist before in the area. There is no other way they can exist than as products of a nuclear explosion. Interestingly, after the 9/11 event there was radioactive tritium in the area that could not have come from anything but a mini-nuke.
Mathis: Mathis is a smart guy but he builds wrong models underlying his explanations. He is an intelligent but messed up guy. A key flaw in his explanation here is that MANY of the ships bordering the explosion had to be scrapped and mothballed because they became radioactive, again from isotopes synthesized by the explosions. This really invalidates his conclusions.
Renegade: Partly leverages off Brabantian, and claiming napalm and conventional explosives caused all the burning damage is partly bad physics. First of all, the blast energy was higher than conventional materials. Second, Hiroshima became radioactive, AND Japanese suffered radiation burns, not just conventional burns.
Finally, I have some technical knowledge about nuclear weapons and I assure you they are real and not a story made up to fool the public, or even the Germans who had their own bomb research. The basic technology use in some of the bombs even killed a scientist in a lab accident that is well documented where he accidentally caused a sub-critical reaction that did not explode fortunately but which created a radioactive burst that killed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin
The technology is real. Even a civilian, with the right materials, could create a very low yield gun-type atomic bomb.
You don't seem to like those sources I linked above, but really, they are not original researchers, merely relaying and summarizing the research of others (without attribution in the case of Mathis, I believe).
Original researchers are listed below, also for anyone interested in this topic who wants to read more extensively about it:
Hiroshima Revisted: The evidence that napalm and mustard gas helped fake the nuclear bombings by Dr. Michael Palmer
Death Object - Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax by Akio Nakatani
My Atomic Bomb Findings: The grand manipulation 1945-2021 - the website of Anders Björkman, where he describes in detail his decades of research into the topic.
So, Israel, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea, the US, China etc. are basically all on the same side? Sounds pretty reasonable...
Not entire nations. The people who control them, though, can obviously be in cahoots, and part of a common cult. I believe this has been the case for close to 130 years, at the very least. There were so many big hoaxes in the 20th century it's genuinely incredible... except that one by one, they collapse upon open-minded research.
Nuclear science is clearly not allowed to be seriously done by anyone without that nation's government's approval and it being involved somehow.
If you want more insight on how it's possible, you could look into how true physicists, the genuinely curious ones and not the government career stooges, know that much of what Einstein theorized has largely been ruled out by subsequent observations and experiments... and yet he's still held up as the pinnacle of Physics.
The dearth of evidence to the contrary of his theories has been ignored and suppressed for decades in the the mainstream... you can't get funding if anything you do creates evidence that contradicts Einstein's theories. A wealthy and powerful group of people (and their cohorts, successors and inheritors) with similar ideologies and goals, actively ensure that.
Having said that, I don't think they are a coherent group. I think it's clear that they struggle against each other for bigger shares of power, wealth and influence.
But some lies, like nuclear weapons for example, are just too useful to all of them, and so they continue fund, propagate, protect and build upon those lies.
Add to that the saying: It's practically impossible to get a man to disbelieve something if his career and livelihood depend on him believing it.
As I said, you take a farcical position, and now you try to defend it with ridiculous ad-hominem. Path-e-tic.
Yes, you are taking a farcical position. That of flatly believing in something you've clearly never looked into with an open mind. And that of believing Israel's keeping other nations "in check" is a positive thing.
So, what's up with any evidence that Japan wasn't nuked? How would you explain the radiation burns on people?
Is a radiation burn evidence of a nuclear bomb?
Are you 100% those were "radiation burns"? Considering all the logistics taken in WW2, how hard is it to pull that one if (among many other reasons) they intended to fool Stalin into believing they had a secret god like weapon to keep him in check? (He later found out and faked his own "nuke" using the same method of the recent Beirut harbor "nuke".
If you see the footage of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with an open mind you could see there is a lot of merit that there was no nukes. The heat was so great from the fire bombings that there will be no shortage of fire burn pictures.
How do you know they were increased due to nuclear testing? How do you know they were increased?
Nuclear bombs have allegedly been used just twice, long before you were born (I'm presuming).
yasad (to establish) mossad (foundation). The foundation for form/flow represents energy; the foundation for form within flow represents comprehension (forms potential) of perceived (flows potentiality).