like... are you expecting dozens of camera feeds all over the perimeter of the building capturing the object that hit the pentagon?
and because you don't have access to this footage you're assuming what?
missiles? drone? aliens?
What exactly are you saying happened if not a plane flew into the pentagon?
...
Feel free to answer, or don't, it doesn't matter much.
Either way lack of footage isn't evidence of something, it's exactly the opposite... it's nothing.
Look, i don't know how old you are or what happened to you... but just a refresher... this happened in 2001.
There wasn't cameras everywhere like there are today.
I'm certain there was plenty of cameras setup at the doors/entrances, there are probably cameras setup in the hallways too...
but exactly how many cameras did you expect them, in 2001, to dedicate to pointing up at the sky?
cameras are mounted high for good line of sight and to prevent tampering, this means they are therefore pointed down into the room...
nobody installed cameras on the floor pointed up, that would be 2 extra chromosomes retarded.
THE ONLY REASON we even have the bullshit footage we do have... is because there was a tiny little bullshit camera mounted on the numberpad of a security gate that took stills. that camera was designed to take your picture while you're in your car using the keypad... if someone had been at the gate at that time we wouldn't even have gotten that "footage" because a fucking car would have been blocking it.
A very good question with a perfectly logical answer...
There wasn't jack shit on the footage.
Again... because cameras are mounted high and pointed down
Why would there be cameras pointing at the sky that would have been able to catch footage of the plane (or whatever you assume it was) flying into the pentagon.
Ok lets just use a different example...
Lets say someone gets carjacked... and the cops have no leads on the case so they go around and get all the closed circuit camera footage they can find that might have caught a glimpse of the carjacker.
After watching the footage of all the cameras, and finding nothing... they are supposed to do what? Host the footage from all the cameras with zero evidence on a website somewhere just to satisfy the suspicions of all the "aliens stole that car" theorists?
At the end of the day this was 20 years ago, there were no cameras that caught any footage worth a squirt of piss (because how cameras work), and therefore even after looking at all the "confiscated tapes", they found nothing.
You're focusing on "why would the cops take all the footage"... as if they were covering something up by taking it... they took it for the same exact reasons you're asking what happened to it... so they could view it looking for evidence.
If the footage gas station footage does not show the impact, we have to ask the question why is the Justice department still withholding it under national security laws?
because it's all part of the official investigation that is probably still sealed up thanks to patriot act bullshit.
look... this isn't that hard to figure out... you using the lack of evidence that doesn't exist to base a conspiracy on... the simple answer is there isn't jack shit on any of the cameras because they weren't pointed at the sky.
so why would they give a fuck? it's all sitting in a box in a warehouse, and a folder on a server because nobody cares because there isn't anything on them.
i haven't seen my aunt in decades... that doesn't mean the government is hiding her from me.
These tapes have been requested to no avail through the FOIA. Keep in mind the plane hit the Pentagon perfectly at ground level, cameras are aimed at ground level, and a commercial airplane isn't small. You act like this is the only thing weird thing that happened that day. People don't think it was false flag simply based on the shit Pentagon footage, this is just one more piece that points to an internal coverup.
We are talking about the Pentagon here. The base of military power in the West. A large target for foreign infiltration. It’s not crazy to assume it’s covered in cameras watching every angle of it’s exterior.
They didn’t need to be pointed at the sky to show a flying object penetrating the outer wall. They have had security cameras for decades guy. Banks had security cameras recording 24/7 since the 90s. The military would have the budget and tech to include cameras to protect their headquarters in 2001...
where are these camera angles that you're so sure existed in 2001...
detail them.
we've already established that cameras would be mounted inside the building, in hallways and at entrances... but as we've already covered those cameras are still to this day ALWAYS mounted high (for better line of sight and to prevent tampering) and pointed down.
soooo those wouldn't have footage OF THE SKY on them...
sooo... which cameras are you thinking?
perhaps a camera mounted on the exterior wall, which again would be pointed fucking down, and (here's the best part) would have captured about .0000004 seconds of film as a plane moving at over 500 miles per hour passed under the camera.
that camera?
the camera that would have been fucking obliterated. or at the very least blinded, a fraction of second after the plane entered the cameras view?
that camera?
did you think that footage was gonna crack the case wide open?
this whole "release the footage" dogshit is one of the more retarded aspects of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
it's fucking enraging and embarrassing at the same time.
They took the camera footage because they don't want people to see what is on them. If there was no reason to take it because they were not pointing in the correct directions and at the right time, they wouldn't have taken it. They didn't take security tapes from New Jersey gas stations pointing toward Canada. They didn't take tapes from every business in DC that had a camera, either. And they have never given the owners of the tapes their property back, because "National Security." Who are you trying to fool here? Me or yourself? If you're trying to shill, you need to do way better than that.
they took the camera footage because it was the largest attack on american soil... it's called gathering evidence.
just because they didn't share the intimate details of the forensic audit of every single second of area security camera footage... doesn't mean they are hiding a multi camera shoot of DB cooper flying patriot missiles into giant barrels of thermite paint.
they always take the footage hoping something is on there.
they even take ATM cameras.
also... who in the fuck is asking for the camera footage back? unless they had a camera pointed at the sky, AND WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD THEY, there is not a god damned thing on them.
you show me the interview or even the claim from a credible witness that says "i have a security camera pointed at the sky that captured the video of the (insert whatever the fuck you think it was) and the government won't give it back".
i'll wait.
USE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS... what in the fuck is a more likely scenario here?
the fact that you won't even entertain the most simple and basic explanation for the whole thing should be a fucking alarm clock blaring into your ears that something is very very wrong with your theory.
seriously... what is more likely...
cameras are never pointed at the sky to record nothing 99.99999999999 % of the time.
or...
whatever the fuck you have convinced yourself into believing.
Judicial Watch has repeatedly asked for the footage back but they have never gotten it. Even the people who own the cameras have never seen the footage because the FBI was there within MINUTES to take their property never to return it. You are sadly misinformed and it colors every statement you make.
Within this article are statements and indeed court documents from people who had their cameras pointed at the sky and want to see (insert whatever the fuck you think it was), and the government won't give the video back. It used to be very easy to find this sort of information but it is being systematically removed from the internet and shills keep trying to pretend it was never there. But we remember.
i said show me someone claiming they have footage of the sky
your response is "people are asking where the footage is"
no shit...
now show me someone saying they had cameras pointed in such a way that would capture video of a plane flying in the sky.
just because nobody got the tapes back doesn't mean they had anything on them, it just means nobody gives a fuck enough to give them back because its fucking stupid.
what part of a gas stations security camera keeping an eye on the beer cooler is going to show you the plane that hit the pentagon?
none of those people had cameras pointed at the sky, thats total bullshit and you know it.
why in the fuck would they?
what fucking purpose would it have served?
catching blurry images of birds flying by faster than shitty 2001 cameras could resolve?
You are telling me to think critically; I am giving you food for such thought but you either didn't read it or can't think critically about it. It literally says there is footage of impact from a hotel that has not been released. It does not say that every camera was pointed at the sky or that every camera caught footage of anything, but to claim the opposite without any basis in evidence is pretty sloppy critical thinking. I will quote some of the article for your edification:
"According to a CNN FOIA request however, the nearby hotel's video DID capture the impact. The following exchange is from a CNN transcript of a report on the 2002 release of the original four frames of Pentagon footage:
MCINTYRE (on camera): These pictures are the first to be made public, but they are not the only images of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Sources tell CNN that the FBI on September 11th confiscated a nearby hotel's security camera videotape, which also captured the attack. So far, the Justice Department has refused to release that videotape. Aaron.
BROWN: Why? Do we have any idea why they won't release it?
MCINTYRE: Well, the claim - we have filed a freedom of information request for it. They claim that it might provide some intelligence to somebody else who might want to do harm to the United States. But officials I talked to here at the Pentagon say they don't see any national security or criminal value to that tape. The FBI tends to hold on to things. But the government may eventually release that tape, and if they do, we'll bring it to you.
BROWN: Jamie, thanks. I must have missed something in how, where the intelligence possibilities are there, but that happens with me sometimes. Thank you for your work today, nice job."
u/# top men
longer
No? Leaving reddit was the best thing I've done in a while, but I'm going to continue exposing corruption as I see it until I'm dead.
I've let go of my hope to save humanity from itself though, stupid fuckers. I will, however, save my friends and family.
Why are you on a conspiracy forum telling people to stop reporting on conspiracies if you "gave it up".
Sounds like you're actively discouraging people from seeking the truth. Sounds like the opposite of "giving up", but what do I know :P
keep it to yourself doomer and fuck off back to all
I literally just told you I'm over saving humanity and instead I'm working on my community. What are you even going on about?
No, I'll excoriate you for dooming. So again, fuck off.
Don't listen to that dude axo
"pentagon footage"
exactly what are you expecting here?
like... are you expecting dozens of camera feeds all over the perimeter of the building capturing the object that hit the pentagon?
and because you don't have access to this footage you're assuming what?
missiles? drone? aliens?
What exactly are you saying happened if not a plane flew into the pentagon?
...
Feel free to answer, or don't, it doesn't matter much.
Either way lack of footage isn't evidence of something, it's exactly the opposite... it's nothing.
Look, i don't know how old you are or what happened to you... but just a refresher... this happened in 2001.
There wasn't cameras everywhere like there are today.
I'm certain there was plenty of cameras setup at the doors/entrances, there are probably cameras setup in the hallways too...
but exactly how many cameras did you expect them, in 2001, to dedicate to pointing up at the sky?
cameras are mounted high for good line of sight and to prevent tampering, this means they are therefore pointed down into the room...
nobody installed cameras on the floor pointed up, that would be 2 extra chromosomes retarded.
THE ONLY REASON we even have the bullshit footage we do have... is because there was a tiny little bullshit camera mounted on the numberpad of a security gate that took stills. that camera was designed to take your picture while you're in your car using the keypad... if someone had been at the gate at that time we wouldn't even have gotten that "footage" because a fucking car would have been blocking it.
again... what exactly were you expecting?
1080p w/ sound?
of the sky?
The police/FBI confiscated the tapes from establishments near the Pentagon. Why did they do that, and why were they never released?
A very good question with a perfectly logical answer...
There wasn't jack shit on the footage.
Again... because cameras are mounted high and pointed down
Why would there be cameras pointing at the sky that would have been able to catch footage of the plane (or whatever you assume it was) flying into the pentagon.
Ok lets just use a different example...
Lets say someone gets carjacked... and the cops have no leads on the case so they go around and get all the closed circuit camera footage they can find that might have caught a glimpse of the carjacker.
After watching the footage of all the cameras, and finding nothing... they are supposed to do what? Host the footage from all the cameras with zero evidence on a website somewhere just to satisfy the suspicions of all the "aliens stole that car" theorists?
At the end of the day this was 20 years ago, there were no cameras that caught any footage worth a squirt of piss (because how cameras work), and therefore even after looking at all the "confiscated tapes", they found nothing.
You're focusing on "why would the cops take all the footage"... as if they were covering something up by taking it... they took it for the same exact reasons you're asking what happened to it... so they could view it looking for evidence.
Which didn't exist...
Because of how cameras work.
If the footage gas station footage does not show the impact, we have to ask the question why is the Justice department still withholding it under national security laws?
Because it proves trump right and makes them look bad holding political prisoners
because it's all part of the official investigation that is probably still sealed up thanks to patriot act bullshit.
look... this isn't that hard to figure out... you using the lack of evidence that doesn't exist to base a conspiracy on... the simple answer is there isn't jack shit on any of the cameras because they weren't pointed at the sky.
so why would they give a fuck? it's all sitting in a box in a warehouse, and a folder on a server because nobody cares because there isn't anything on them.
i haven't seen my aunt in decades... that doesn't mean the government is hiding her from me.
These tapes have been requested to no avail through the FOIA. Keep in mind the plane hit the Pentagon perfectly at ground level, cameras are aimed at ground level, and a commercial airplane isn't small. You act like this is the only thing weird thing that happened that day. People don't think it was false flag simply based on the shit Pentagon footage, this is just one more piece that points to an internal coverup.
500 mph... so the camera mounted high, and pointing down (like all cameras are), wouldn't have seen shit.
you think a few frames of video is going to show you more than the few frames of stills you already have?
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS EXCEPT YOU
to everyone else it's just 20 year old tapes in a box in a warehouse.
you act like just because you're making a huge deal out of meaningless bullshit this somehow PROVES that illuminati aliens did thermite 11.
Yeah, I'm the only one that cares about this. Go back to r/politics
We are talking about the Pentagon here. The base of military power in the West. A large target for foreign infiltration. It’s not crazy to assume it’s covered in cameras watching every angle of it’s exterior.
seriously though... 2001... and you expect them to have had dedicated cameras pointing towards the sky.
Come on man you know thats just silly.
Beyond that you're also assuming all those businesses that the FBI/cops sized footage from would have also had cameras pointed skyward...
There was nothing on the cameras as should be expected because there would have been ZERO reason to point cameras at the sky.
Quite frankly, if they would have said "hey lookie here we've got perfect security cam video of the plane flying into the pentagon"...
THAT is when you should have been suspicious...
...again because cameras don't work that way.
They didn’t need to be pointed at the sky to show a flying object penetrating the outer wall. They have had security cameras for decades guy. Banks had security cameras recording 24/7 since the 90s. The military would have the budget and tech to include cameras to protect their headquarters in 2001...
holy shit...
guy...
whats the exact scenario you're envisioning here?
where are these camera angles that you're so sure existed in 2001...
detail them.
we've already established that cameras would be mounted inside the building, in hallways and at entrances... but as we've already covered those cameras are still to this day ALWAYS mounted high (for better line of sight and to prevent tampering) and pointed down.
soooo those wouldn't have footage OF THE SKY on them...
sooo... which cameras are you thinking?
perhaps a camera mounted on the exterior wall, which again would be pointed fucking down, and (here's the best part) would have captured about .0000004 seconds of film as a plane moving at over 500 miles per hour passed under the camera.
that camera?
the camera that would have been fucking obliterated. or at the very least blinded, a fraction of second after the plane entered the cameras view?
that camera?
did you think that footage was gonna crack the case wide open?
this whole "release the footage" dogshit is one of the more retarded aspects of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
it's fucking enraging and embarrassing at the same time.
They took the camera footage because they don't want people to see what is on them. If there was no reason to take it because they were not pointing in the correct directions and at the right time, they wouldn't have taken it. They didn't take security tapes from New Jersey gas stations pointing toward Canada. They didn't take tapes from every business in DC that had a camera, either. And they have never given the owners of the tapes their property back, because "National Security." Who are you trying to fool here? Me or yourself? If you're trying to shill, you need to do way better than that.
thats ridiculous bullshit.
they took the camera footage because it was the largest attack on american soil... it's called gathering evidence.
just because they didn't share the intimate details of the forensic audit of every single second of area security camera footage... doesn't mean they are hiding a multi camera shoot of DB cooper flying patriot missiles into giant barrels of thermite paint.
they always take the footage hoping something is on there.
they even take ATM cameras.
also... who in the fuck is asking for the camera footage back? unless they had a camera pointed at the sky, AND WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD THEY, there is not a god damned thing on them.
you show me the interview or even the claim from a credible witness that says "i have a security camera pointed at the sky that captured the video of the (insert whatever the fuck you think it was) and the government won't give it back".
i'll wait.
USE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS... what in the fuck is a more likely scenario here?
the fact that you won't even entertain the most simple and basic explanation for the whole thing should be a fucking alarm clock blaring into your ears that something is very very wrong with your theory.
seriously... what is more likely...
cameras are never pointed at the sky to record nothing 99.99999999999 % of the time.
or...
whatever the fuck you have convinced yourself into believing.
Judicial Watch has repeatedly asked for the footage back but they have never gotten it. Even the people who own the cameras have never seen the footage because the FBI was there within MINUTES to take their property never to return it. You are sadly misinformed and it colors every statement you make.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6082
Within this article are statements and indeed court documents from people who had their cameras pointed at the sky and want to see (insert whatever the fuck you think it was), and the government won't give the video back. It used to be very easy to find this sort of information but it is being systematically removed from the internet and shills keep trying to pretend it was never there. But we remember.
i said show me someone claiming they have footage of the sky
your response is "people are asking where the footage is"
no shit...
now show me someone saying they had cameras pointed in such a way that would capture video of a plane flying in the sky.
just because nobody got the tapes back doesn't mean they had anything on them, it just means nobody gives a fuck enough to give them back because its fucking stupid.
what part of a gas stations security camera keeping an eye on the beer cooler is going to show you the plane that hit the pentagon?
none of those people had cameras pointed at the sky, thats total bullshit and you know it.
why in the fuck would they?
what fucking purpose would it have served?
catching blurry images of birds flying by faster than shitty 2001 cameras could resolve?
critical thinking is important.
You are telling me to think critically; I am giving you food for such thought but you either didn't read it or can't think critically about it. It literally says there is footage of impact from a hotel that has not been released. It does not say that every camera was pointed at the sky or that every camera caught footage of anything, but to claim the opposite without any basis in evidence is pretty sloppy critical thinking. I will quote some of the article for your edification:
"According to a CNN FOIA request however, the nearby hotel's video DID capture the impact. The following exchange is from a CNN transcript of a report on the 2002 release of the original four frames of Pentagon footage:
MCINTYRE (on camera): These pictures are the first to be made public, but they are not the only images of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Sources tell CNN that the FBI on September 11th confiscated a nearby hotel's security camera videotape, which also captured the attack. So far, the Justice Department has refused to release that videotape. Aaron.
BROWN: Why? Do we have any idea why they won't release it?
MCINTYRE: Well, the claim - we have filed a freedom of information request for it. They claim that it might provide some intelligence to somebody else who might want to do harm to the United States. But officials I talked to here at the Pentagon say they don't see any national security or criminal value to that tape. The FBI tends to hold on to things. But the government may eventually release that tape, and if they do, we'll bring it to you.
BROWN: Jamie, thanks. I must have missed something in how, where the intelligence possibilities are there, but that happens with me sometimes. Thank you for your work today, nice job."
Shill any harder and you're gonna have a stroke dude.
Take your ignorance to reddit. We know you.
you don't "know me" larper faggot.
fuck reddit, and fuck you.
Pissed off huh you chynezze asshoe.
Go fuck your mother like everyone else in your town has.
? You so good trolling round eye. Chynah caught red handed.