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– TallestSkil 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Report every single jew in the state. They’re a physical and psychological health threat to everyone around them (and most of them WILL be in violation of the law anyway, so it’s a win win).

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– SwampRangers 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Permit me to slightly redirect this thread to thank you for your consideration at c/Christianity and to express a sincere interest in understanding your situation, in a neutral location. (If there's good conversation we can always start a new thread here once we can frame the topic.)

See, I've always understood that discrimination has two sides: the good is to recognize that generic easily ascertained factors about people trend with generic less obvious characteristics; and the bad is to assume that the trend is probative. So I can make likely demographic judgments about a person based on face, skin, hair, manner, etc., but I also keep such judgments tentative and open to correction.

So the first thing I don't understand is statements like the above because they charge every man, woman, and child of a certain race with being a threat, and even when you use the word "most" you cite criminality that does not appear to match with responsibly reported statistics.

My first-level understanding is that one believes a state of war exists and so exaggeration, misinformation, and tactics of all kinds are permitted. But then human history suggests that should involve responsible claims by an extant community that it has been attacked and considers another community to be the attackers, who thereby are not worthy of ordinary human consideration. If that's the case, don't you think there should be calm reference back to the formal determination by the community, rather than generic lashing out by individuals? It's hard to fight a war alone.

Even with a sustained effort to be sympathetic to your position, I find it difficult to speak to you as if you identify with a sustainable position or a positive moral outlook. Perhaps you or others have been hurt and your online character reflects that. Certainly though you must have hope and desire for some benefit in life as well. If it were merely desire for a human community shielded against certain negative behaviors, wouldn't you seek positive interaction with others who might contribute (such as a Christianity community that seeks only the principles of the real man Jesus and rejects ties to any other human director)? But perhaps your hope and desire have other manifestations too.

I guess the TLDR question is: What brings you to make such frequent claims that are regarded so negatively by others (such that you see Stasi elements in your respondents)? I've seen your lists of evidence links but generally they don't resonate with me because, even if admitted arguendo, they just go to "the world is bad" without pointing to what we and God are doing about it. Perhaps you mean to imply that everyone should be prepared in life (and in forums) for long complaints without resolution and that is everyone's equal right to pursue. Even if so, I believe that in Jesus there is hope and every answer.

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– TallestSkil 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I can cite everything I say. That goes for anything I say on any subject, so if you don’t see a link to back a specific claim (and you won’t, as I’m on a mobile device and it’s an absolute pain to jump between my source notes and this text field, as well as to manually type the link formatting), quote it and ask and I’ll get to it when I’m back in my desktop.

See, I've always understood that discrimination has two sides

There’s an old saying. “A jew will always tell you what happened to him. He will never tell you why.” I wonder if simply don’t give a shit about my “side” of truth simply because you’ve been brainwashed by jewish hoaxes about the Bible claiming it teaches “tolerance.” But that’s just my musing.

So the first thing I don't understand is statements like the above because they charge every man, woman, and child of a certain race with being a threat

You don’t understand because you know nothing about them whatsoever. They are ordered by their leaders and their holy book itself to be a threat to everyone else Earth. They are taught that only they are human. They are taught that everyone else is a soulless animal which exists only to serve them. They are taught that all physical objects on this planet are theirs to own, and therefore it’s not stealing if it’s taken from a non-jew. They are taught that Christ is boiling in hell in his own semen. They are taught to destroy all nations and social conventions of non-jews simply because they exist outside the jewish system. Indeed, in the modern era, tikkun olam has guided them to exterminate the very peoples themselves from the face of the Earth, simply because they’re not jewish. They are raised from birth to believe and behave in this way. Their leaders’ behavior has caused them to collectively be genetic carriers of some of the worst physical and mental diseases of which we know, manifesting in even more depraved thinking and behaving, truly setting them apart from all other races.

“It was born at first from this widespread idea that the jew was fatally urged each year to reproduce figuratively, at the same time, the murder of Christ; For this reason, in the legendary acts of martyred children, one always shows the victim crucified and suffering the punishment of Jesus, sometimes even, it is represented crowned with thorns and pierced flank. To this general belief were added the prejudices, often justified, against the jews devoted to magical practices. Indeed, in the Middle Ages, the jew was considered by the people as the magician par excellence, in fact, some jews indulged in magic; there are many formulas of exorcism in the Talmud, and Talmudic and Kabbalistic demonology is very complicated. Now, we know the place that the blood always occupied in the operations of witchcraft… Blood, especially virgin blood, was attributed to unheard-of virtues; the blood was a healer, evocative, preservative; it could be used for the search for the philosopher's stone, for the composition of potions and enchantments. Now, it is very probable, even certain, that jewish magicians had to sacrifice children; from there, the formation of the legend of the ritual sacrifice. It is stated that the from there, the formation of the legend of the ritual sacrifice. It is stated that the jewish religion, which approved the crucifixion of Christ, furthermore recommended the spreading of Christian blood, and they sought stubbornly Talmudic and Kabbalistic that can justify such assertions.” ~ ✡Bernard Lazare✡; L’Antisémitisme, son histoire et ses causes, pp. 354-6; 1894

Tell me not to discriminate against the killers of Christ and the merchants of sin itself and then claim to be a Christian. Go on.

you cite criminality that does not appear to match with responsibly reported statistics.

  1. Jews are pretty good, historically, about getting their preferred behaviors made “legal” when they move to a new region. It helps to have a bunch of jewish lawyers argue their cases before jewish judges, too.
  2. lol, and you’re actually claiming that OTHER crime statistics in modern reporting accurately represent the criminality of the various races and demographies? Okay, sure, I guess Congress (and Hillary, and Obama, and…) really dindu nuffin wrong. After all, the DoJ said so!

If that's the case, don't you think there should be calm reference back to the formal determination by the community, rather than generic lashing out by individuals?

I very rarely even mention jewish individuals by name. Not sure where you’re getting that idea. I don’t care about any individual jew, except insofar as one might apply to a specific article or historic event about which I am currently speaking. Some have more power than others, but that, too, is irrelevant. This isn’t a matter of just “getting rid of the bad ones” or “setting an example” by taking care of specific names, job titles, corporations, etc. An individual jew is nigh meaningless. Even the nine surviving leaders of the Rothschild family themselves are meaningless. Killing them would do nothing. Not only because they’re not the “leaders” of the “NWO,” not only because the ZOG’s system of control is far more distributed, but because they’ve had a line of succession set up since Meyer Amschel Bauer himself created his den of vipers. Killing them causes their successors to all move up in rank. That’s it. A lone jew is meaningless.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

It is judaism against which I rail. And as judaism is genetic, I must rail against jews collectively. The ideology must be destroyed. At the very least, it’s practice must be disallowed within any Christian nation in any form.

I find it difficult to speak to you as if you identify with a sustainable position or a positive moral outlook.

I’d say look harder, then. Or at all. I want degeneracy routed. I want the restoration of the republic as founded. I want interracial conflict eliminated. I want Christianity enshrined as the social foundation of the nation. That’s not positive? Screw you, then. You mentioned war already; do you think that an individual soldier, in the midst of a firefight, puts a high priority on telling the civilians cowering behind him, “Hey, look, I’m doing this because otherwise they’re literally going to rape your children to death while you watch before they kill you, so stop admonishing me for taking headshots, okay?” Of course not. The positive doctrine is left to men who are off the battlefield, broadcasting what the new nation will entail once the fighting is over.

And since I’m making the assumption you’ll understand the analogy, I’ll stop doing that and spell it out. The “battlefield” is “any given thread on this site in which a subversive shows up,” the “soldier” is “anyone who knows the truth and posts it in response to that attempt at subversion,” the “civilians” are people like you who make the “why can’t you just be nice? Muh optiiiiiiics!” argument in the middle of a war. And the men off the battlefield is any data dump thread where purely informative content is posted. Often those are attacked and become battlefields.

Certainly though you must have hope and desire for some benefit in life as well

Oh no, I gave up long ago. There is neither hope nor future. No one will ever fight back. Notice that the word ‘fight’ might not mean what you think it means, given the aforementioned battlefield analogy. And if you’re raised in the school of “christian”thought that I’m guessing you were, you can’t really do anything but agree with me when I say there is neither hope nor future, because to do otherwise would be to “claim that God isn’t needed.”

The school of thought, if the quotation marks weren’t enough of a giveaway, is heresy, but it’s the prevailing heresy (purposely pushed, for the very reasons I’ve mentioned earlier), and therefore statistically possible you believe it. To wit, I have a statement that I can’t get any pastors to answer or discuss, because they “can’t find an argument with it but don’t have any answer why I still don’t support you.” Perhaps you can elucidate.

There’s no reason left to live for here. There’s no remaining way to make a reason to live for here. There’s no justification for continuing to live if and when all actions taken will be either against God, outside God, or erased to godlessness within a generation. If it’s something done only for “my time,” it wasn’t worth doing (or it wasn’t done correctly). As such, the only recourse is for Him to return. If, within the window of opportunity, He does not return–and because we cannot estimate, predict, or confirm His return–physical revolution against the world must occur, as it is the only remaining recourse.

Anyway.

If it were merely desire for a human community shielded against certain negative behaviors, wouldn't you seek positive interaction with others who might contribute

That’d be cool. Is this a place solely for people who tell the truth?

Please tell me you have the critical thinking skills and can derive the context clues required for me to not need to say any more than that. You’re easily one of the more intelligent people on this website, so I don’t really want to have to hand-hold every through my statements. Particularly since I’m one of the least intelligent (I have to be; otherwise people could actually answer my questions) and shouldn’t need to go as far as to invoke the image of a bunch of civilians, happy and content within a walled city, whining to their leadership about how they “don’t need to spend taxes for the military on the wall” (whose constant vigilance is the only thing keeping the city happy and content) because “we’re already safe so we don’t need a military!”

Incidentally, I wonder if the jews in medieval cities said the same things to the Christian leaders… right before the Muslims invaded. We know they repeatedly opened the gates of Christian cities during sieges, and that’s why Iberia and the Balkans fell… ah, well.

I guess the TLDR question is: What brings you to make such frequent claims that are regarded so negatively by others

Truth is hate to those who hate the truth. I couldn’t care less what someone thinks of what I say as long as what I’ve said is, in fact, objectively true. If it gets proven wrong, FUCKING GOOD. I don’t want to keep repeating disinformation. If it doesn’t, however, I’m going to keep hounding away at it.

(such that you see Stasi elements in your respondents)

I din’t remember if I mentioned this in my original post. I was going to applaud you for gatekeeping, in principle. And on the Christianity board, no less. The first thing they (you know damn well who) took from us was our language (broadly), but once that was done, the first principle they took from us was Christianity. It’s good to see someone actually try to defend it. It’s good that there is an implication that people will actually be banned if they defy Christian doctrine on the appropriate board. It just needs to be an objective defense, otherwise everything collapses and we wind up with the same heretical bullshit that the boomers have believed their whole godforsaken lives. The lies which led to “christian zionism” and the “live and let live” anticulture which meant they did absolutely nothing when faggots and commies (and usurers) took over society. We have to guard against the doctrinal perversions that led us here, not blindly accept them simply because they’ve been around so long we don’t know anything else.

they just go to "the world is bad"

Is it not? Could’ve sworn…

Damn 12,000 character limit. Continued.

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– TallestSkil 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

without pointing to what we and God are doing about it.

WE ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

Perhaps you missed that part of my reason for posting here. Honestly, I don’t know how often I’ve posted my main copypasta on that topic on this site, so you can probably be forgiven for not seeing it… No one is doing a goddamned thing about any of this, anywhere, at any level. No, that’s not hyperbole. “I’m keeping it out of my life, and that’s all that I can reasonably be expected to do!” is not even remotely an argument. We’re not called to “reasonably expect.” We’re called to defend truth itself. Instead we just let it all happen thanks to ✡libertarian✡ brainwashing about our “right” to be degenerate.

long complaints without resolution

I have a resolution. It’s one of the only things left for us to actually, physically do. Posted it for years now. No one does anything. You’ll have to forgive me for having no reason left to live, seeing no one give a flying fuck about the extermination of all things good and pure.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Good, let's pursue truth and prove disinformation wrong. I understand what it's like to need to repeat a bunch of points without always wanting to refer back to sources every time, and sometimes I misword things and get corrected, so I can understand your summary paragraph in that respect. However, from my modest experience with Talmud, it mostly looks like exaggerated forms of the extant statements and so improvement is possible. On the one cite I recently tested, as I pointed out the source does not say "his own", it is obviously a legend rather than a doctrinal teaching, and here you have swapped excrement with semen. So I would need to review the other statements in that light. Similarly, your source that suggests the possibility that some Jews in history have engaged in child sacrifice does not compare this to the child sacrifice of every other race of people for balance.

Again describing a whole race as "killers of Christ and the merchants of sin" refers to established facts so tenuously and vaguely that the term may just as well apply to all men. Jews handed him over, Gentiles hung him up, but he laid down his life of his own accord. I mongered in sin and killed Christ. Basic Christianity is that he died for your sins too.

You saw my distancing in the phrase "responsibly reported". I am responsible to the American government insofar as they do not betray my conscience, but I see faults in every institution and in every people-group other than the adopted people of the invisible body of Christ.

As an established body, God delivers us our declaration of war against the devil and his angels in Genesis 3. He also claims all Eve's seed as being on his side of the war unless they defect. My allusions were to say that we do not have such a declaration of war by an established authority against the Jewish people at large and you seem to be at war alone rather than identifying an allegiance as I have. If you are allied with Christ, I do not see him declaring war against his own people, but declaring that they will miss out until the day they welcome him back (the hope on which Romans 9-11 is built). Millions of Jews over the years have in fact welcomed him back, though they are often disowned by their countrymen.

If there were an ideology of destroying others, of course that ideology must be destroyed (rather than any people). Your paragraph reads similarly to exaggerations of the evils within Islam or Christianity and as such calls not for killing but for truth. If the truth is that one people-group is committed to genocide, we don't fight that by committing to their genocide.

Going to post this halfway through and come back to it. Thanks.

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– TallestSkil 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

does not compare this to the child sacrifice of every other race of people for balance.

I don’t have to. They do it to Christians specifically because we’re Christian. Defend against it by expelling them from Christian regions< such that they are then physically incapable of doing it. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. No benefit is gained whatsoever from having jews in non-jewish nations. As such, they have to be removed.

Again describing a whole race as "killers of Christ and the merchants of sin" refers to established facts so tenuously and vaguely

Bible explicitly says it multiple times.

Jews handed him over, Gentiles hung him up

Jews hung him up. Gentiles enacted punishment (on an innocent man) as appeasement to the jews who turned Him in. His release by Roman authorities is accounted, too. “Turned Him over to the jews to be crucified” is how it goes.

I get what you’re saying, though. Doesn’t change their behavior.

He also claims all Eve's seed as being on his side of the war unless they defect.

Plenty of defections.

My allusions were to say that we do not have such a declaration of war by an established authority against the Jewish people at large

We... don’t need to. At all.

If you are allied with Christ, I do not see him declaring war against his own people

At war with sin. To be a jew is to sin. “Rejection from knowledge,” as I said a while back. There is a hierarchy to sin, with respect to a given sin’s effects on others’ predisposition to sin. That’s why the distinction “rejection from knowledge” and “rejection from ignorance” is so important.

declaring that they will miss out until the day they welcome him back

Right… that’s, you know, the end game. We can talk about premillennialism/post millennialist and all the tribulation confusion all we like; the point is that a time comes for each of us when it’s too late to change and judgment is at hand.

Your paragraph reads similarly to exaggerations of the evils within Islam

Exaggerations? :P

If the truth is that one people-group is committed to genocide, we don't fight that by committing to their genocide.

Then we’ve already lost. They care, we don’t. They win by default. Nothing we do has any import.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Continuing topically despite any third-party difficulty following:

You say you do have desires but not hope. I have those desires, and hope. Jesus teaches me that all these evils will be justly judged and all actual victims will be recompensed and all righteous claims will be satisfied. My actions flow from this teaching of hope. He has shown me the one organization that is consistently fighting evil, namely, those who know his voice, those who mourn over the sin of the city (Ezekiel 8-11), those in him; I work with his body. Though you respect Christ, you seem to despair of finding his true body. Therefore the difference in our declarations of war corresponds to the difference in our stated organizational resources.

Your definition of subversives does not appear to flow from an authority or a purely informative data dump, though you are free to evidence otherwise. You see a lot arguing for niceness and optics, but I don't argue those. All the same, David's words "hate those who hate [the LORD]" (Ps. 139:21) must be handled cautiously because we aren't the sole judges of capital crimes. Even if you showed me clear-cut evidence of someone committing a child sacrifice, why, that's pretty straightforward, but I am still not to declare war on that person without offering terms of peace: much less to claim that everyone else in his race is just waiting to take his place as the taker of life. But we have no qualms about immediately engaging the enemy who is not flesh and blood and who has deceived and captivated all the nations.

God is needed and we are needed, we each do our part, in the end we win. There is good theological support for that. Yet your war doesn't make sense to me. To paraphrase your statement, you seem to have concluded that to live (within the world) is irrational, for Christ to return on time is incumbent, but if you judge that his window passes you have justified "physical revolution against the world". Is Jesus your Lord, or is he just someone who might be late for an important appointment and cannot be counted on?

Jesus intends to continue setting up a kingdom solely for people who tell the truth. It exists now in many hearts but has not yet bothered to claim that unimportant factor, land (except in small individual dedications). This better befits the kingdom's final certain land conquest. If your heart belongs to him, he has told you to occupy and labor until he comes.

However, on the other board you're being called a neo-Nazi, for apparent lack of your own identification with a named philosophy or movement. For the sake of my ability to moderate there, can you at least affirm (be numbered with) your position? Are you a Christian as determined by the classic creeds? Are you anti-Jew as determined by hatred for Jews as a race? Or do you reject titles because of association and let others guess madly?

To go hypothetical in trying to envision your position, let's say first that we imagine we're in Old Testament times and God has told us that a race needs to be exterminated. To leave the Israelites out of it, we could imagine we were Moabites fighting Emim, or Edomites fighting Horites (Deut. 2:11-12), or the like. Even if that hypothetical were to explain your war in the present day, we'd still have all the restrictions God places on war to prevent our becoming like our enemy. (Some nations conquered others so unvirtuously as to be conquered immediately themselves by the next nations.) (1) Ensure the authoritative decree has gone forth (declaration of war with cause). (2) Muster the army (not alone but organized formally). (3) Offer suzerain-vassal terms of peace (as with Gibeon). (4) Obey applicable laws except for clear conscience's sake (chain of command). Probably more. I don't see you modeling any of these "just war" principles, but some other paradigm.

The world is bad and getting worse, but the true church is good and getting better. This year I have been activated as Swamp Rangers has been formed to assist in conducting the necessary battles (see our fledgling website) and the Lord rapidly set me up personally as moderator of a virtual Christian community. Before that time, although it might appear I was doing "nothing" by contrast, I was following the Lord's orders in engaging my fights at fit times as well. I have defended truth a long time and am in the thick where my online work can have effects IRL (to say nothing of what I do IRL apart from the net).

Your closing hint seems to relate to some such revolution and your disappointment that there is no organized body to carry it out. I say that the organized body that Christ set up is sufficient to overturn the world once again, in just the way needed for our day, despite our many infiltrators and subversives. But we are so well-armed spiritually that we need not hide the details of this kind of revolution: we spread the truth into human hearts and win them eternally for our kingdom, not worrying about the temporary vicissitudes of dust particles like earth. Nothing the enemy can do is competent to destroy our supply lines on earth nor our heavenly provisions, so the enemy's planting of innumerable flags doesn't affect us. Christ's first band of followers wanted physical revolution too, and he said, "Not yet". There will be a time when he conquers all his enemies at once, and it will suffice. (If you can find a better offer, take it!) If you despair that there is no hope including in your own resolution, consider that the hope I have in Jesus really is the best offer, rather than something recently invented that we counteroffer to him.

In your followup, you seem to act as if certain past offenses still need reconciliation. I can stipulate that point generally stated, but can also tell you the reconciliation and reparation is in Christ and no other. He'll make it all up to us. If some sinned, he will punish them, we need not harp on their crime to remind him. We certainly don't get to attribute those past sins to our fellow citizens, that gets very lonely. To live in America with its about 2% Jewish population and to look at them with "they have to be removed" in the constant subtext is the very genocide you accuse them of in words like "They are taught to destroy all nations". The two views you state are contradictory under the Golden Rule.

The KJV Bible does not use the phrases "merchant(s) of sin" or "killer(s) of Christ" so you'll need to get your batting average up a bit. I do find John 19:16, "So he delivered him over to them [the soldiers] to be crucified." Of course I have added the late contextual antecedent from verse 23, "The soldiers had crucified Jesus". As we follow the Lord, we also trust his word to have the plain meaning and not read into it contrary to its ordinary human authors' intent.

To be at war with sin is not to be at war with a people, for the reasons stated. We don't generally get to determine the point when another person is to be judged. (I gave theoretical possibility to the idea that we might assist in this judgment if the numbered criteria of just war were met.) I won't bat away the Bible's statements about genocide but I will use its own context to explain it and will hold everyone to that context.

I'm thankful for your openness on many points. If your position is "of course I follow the creeds", then we can build on that unity and grow into all truth. If you propose another Christianity than that of the creeds (which begin with 1 Cor. 15:3-8), then we might still be able to build on some agreed truth foundation. You do seem to understand that forums use different paradigms than yours about info war against constant subversion, indicating the need to interact with other paradigms. I have obtained permission to assist in moderating c/Christianity under a full Christian paradigm, as far as I know. In that situation, everything is disclosed and open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do, and so there is no need to take rash individual actions against potential subversives because we team up within the body to identify and contain them. But until I know where your definitions come from I don't have power to join your fight.

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