thats a CIA planted strawman arguement used by controlled op to herd unwhitty normies away from true earth sciece.
Possibly, and it is certainly used that way. Personally i think it is a scathing satire.
Believing in a magical force that constantly accelerates everything downward towards the ground is exactly as stupid as believing the ground is constantly accelerating up towards the objects, and for the exact same reasons.
The joke makes that clear - but only to those who see it for what it is.
Not of nuclear doomsday weapons, no.
Explosions, sure. Bright flashes, also check.
The whole thing is a hoax.
There’s what a man can do, and what a man can’t do. What he can do, he does. We don’t nuke things because we can’t. Hiroshima and nagasaki were destroyed with traditional firebombing - they weren’t “annihilated” by “superweapons”.
Do you believe no nuclear weapon exists?
I have concluded in my research that they do not, in any way, exist. They are fear porn propaganda and exist in the minds of people because television does. It is not coincidence that they coincide (mass television and “nuclear armageddon”).
People probably should have started putting it together in the 50’s with the hilarious “duck and cova’” psa’s.
Ukraine is currently a cold war. Is that a psyop too?
It’s (ostensibly) a proxy war (which happened a lot during the cold war too under the “domino theory”) The psyop is the advertising that it isn’t a proxy war, and that russia and america are fighting against one another.
Nobody's actually suffering or dying?
Oh god - how i wish this were true and that psyops didn’t actually cause mass suffering and death :(
It seems reasonably straightforward that what is going on in ukraine is a genocide (and a us money laundering front/scheme).
but it seems more likely that they ... observed us land on the moon before calling us to congratulate us on landing on the moon.
Even today we can’t observe the apollo landing sites. It wasn’t magically easier back in the 60’s. Needle in a haystack doesn’t begin to characterize the impossibility of what you are describing.
The other answers here are great, and i don’t have much to add. The cold war was a psyop, and the “space age” is lsd and television fueled nonsense.
Slow clap, you two. Excellent stuff.
I am pleased you enjoyed it!
and unswerving dedication to terminology
I am a pedant, but i work hard not to be needlessly so! In my view, this is a discussion about science and as such requires semantic precision. I don’t really like it either, but it’s necessary.
Fire and ice, and neither can quit the other.
Lol. I do wonder why i bother. It is impossible to get through to them, and they are so consistently disingenuous that i seriously suspect (even hope) that they are a bot.
I very much enjoyed your accurate descriptions of us, but i think you are giving them too much credit in this analogy. If i am ice, they would be the belligerent senile cursing it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160307214926/http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
This is a better recounting of the story - an article from science digest, where the dr got his details found in the other link i sent you.
It reports the fire as happening late in 1995.
Yes, the talmudic view of the world is derived from the hebrew view of the world.
The christian biblical conception of the world is exactly the same, and for the exact same reasons (it has the same source!).
Are you one of the “christianity is a jewish con” proponents?
It came from a research paper by a professor / phd from lock haven university. I highly recommend all of his articles/papers on the subject and related topics - sadly they have been scrubbed from the original hosts... Good scholarship on such a “verboten” subject is apparently forbidden :(
https://web.archive.org/web/20160309073359/http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm
FE has been around since at least the '80's.
The flat earth society came to america (inherited from the british founder) around the 60’s (if memory serves). Flat earth, as a movement / subject of interest can be traced into the 1800’s and as a general christian/jewish/biblical worldview for millennia.
The guy who started the american chapter with his australian wife have a sad story ending in a fire and the loss of all their flat earth society periodicals/issues/materials.
Who is behind the “psyop”
I don’t usually speculate on such things, though many do. My guess would be, the usual suspects - the ones that print the toilet paper we call money and are responsible, generally, for psyops. I usually refer to them as the M.I.C., but they have many names. They are our enemy.
I usually study the tactics, impacts, and ostensible intents of the psyop - as opposed to speculating on culprits.
when did it start
In the 2000’s sometime (with the rebirth/reincarnation of the flat earth society online). post 2010 things really started to pickup.
The flat earth psyop is certainly not organic, and is heavily advertised (i.e. funded).
Its purpose is to suppress and discredit the subject while subverting the genuine organic interest (and earnest research/researchers)
I was never taught the horizon is a single location.
Of course you were, and you believe it too. Standing in one place, that we agree exists, is fixed, and can be reached - say the shoreline, you were taught and believe that the horizon is the physical edge of the world and is a fixed distance from the observer (even if, as you admit, the optical perception of that fixed physical horizon varies due to weather factors).
I’m not trying to attribute a view to you that you don’t have, so if you don’t agree with the above (the standard taught view) - please explain why/how your view differs!
Not an illusion
Right, we are taught that but it is incorrect. It is a causal result of the way our eyes work and the intrinsic attenuation of light. The sky doesn’t really collide into the ground/surface into a compressed line at roughly eye level in the far distance, it merely appears that way to us. It is not the “edge of our world” as we are taught, but merely the edge of our vision.
Also the stuff about it being a molecular boundary line in my last comment is perfectly true
We know that the air and the surface of the world touch - it is hardly a profound or relevant insight regardless of nomenclature used. The horizon that we see (an optical illusion) is not the name for the location where that happens, because it happens everywhere there is surface.
I'm not trying to understand your perspective. I don't care about it
In fairness, you were very straightforward about that. You are admittedly close minded and pigheaded on the subject. Your candor and self awareness is appreciated.
As i said before, i answered your question because i found it was earnest and therefore warranted an earnest response even though you had already declared you were going to ignore any such answer.
it's circuitous meaningless waffle.
Your mistaken presumption of my perspective is, no doubt. But in order to know my actual perspective, and be capable of making an informed judgement on it, would require you to learn about it first. You aren’t a psychic, and it is extremely foolish to assume you are! When you don’t know something (or misinterpret/misunderstand something that is said), asking questions is a good first step!
Thanks for admitting ... You have admitted ...
Please learn to read if you are at all capable. If you just want to mutter to yourself, you can do that without posting.
They don’t, though.
Of course they do. They feel the exact same way about your views on the holocaust, and - like you - believe that anyone with differing views deserves punishment/silencing/censorship. You really can’t see how you are acting the exact same way, and with the exact same authoritarian zealotry?
Listed hundreds of times already.
No, you have never once listed the “proof/disproof” that has been repeated for thousands of years as you falsely claim. You don’t know who did it, when they did it, or precisely what procedure they followed. That’s why you can’t name it, now or ever :( Feel free to prove me wrong, but we both know you can’t :(
Hard to forget something you’re not paying any attention to.
Then i suppose you just accept your failure. That’s a good first step. Don’t lie to yourself - it’s bad for you and those around you.
You literally just said it again
Yes, i was quoting you. No one said it except you. It’s a stupid thing that only you would say and you lied when you claimed i said it (and just lied again :() That’s the whole point.
Said the flat earther.
I’m not a flat earther, but i can and do admit my mistakes. Pride is a fools fortress and shame’s cloak. Cast it off if you can. You make mistakes all the time.
Irony
Words have meanings. It isn’t irony that you failed to find and link to the quote of me saying “truth is arbitrary”. It isn’t irony that you have repeatedly lied about me saying it. It isn’t irony that you are lying to yourself about claiming false things and falsely attributing them to the people you are “discussing” with instead of quoting them.
Proven falsehood.
In your mind, yes. In reality it is just a view that differs from yours that you desperately need/want to be false. I already know you don’t know how to prove this falsehood, and this is just a rhetorical statement of your steadfast belief.
You literally just admitted otherwise.
Please learn to read. Or at least quote/cite the statement i made that led to your willful misinterpretation so that i can explain what i meant.
I guess the holocaust happened because some kike dedicated decades of his life to “studying” it
This is a relevant example. Most people would call your views on the holocaust “proven falsehoods”, as you do about flat earth views. Does that make them correct?
banning of all flat earth spam like you spew.
I don’t spam, nor spew “flat earth”. You would know that if you would only read my comments to you and others. If you are a bot, then i understand why you cant - otherwise, you should work harder at it.
I haven’t posted any opinions
Those holocaust historians say the exact same thing. Does that make them right? Are you seeing any parallels here? Your opinion is that flat earth is a proven falsehood, and only spam. You preach it as a zealot with absolute certainty and an authoritarian lust to silence all heretics/dissenters - exactly like the historians mentioned above.
Done. Millions of times. Every day. For thousands of years
This is wrong. You are meant to believe and repeat it, but if you try to explain precisely when, how, and by whom this proof/disproof took place you will fail. That’s why you didn’t list it already - because it does not exist to list. Instead you wax on in generalization of “everything” and “always” proves you right - which is functionally equivalent to nothing does.
Nah
Suit yourself, but then don’t be surprised when others are ignorant of the knowledge you choose to horde/withhold. It is our duty to share the truth if we have it, and fight against ignorance in ourselves and our brothers and sisters.
Where’s your demonstration
I have many to offer, but there is no need to be so hostile just because you don’t! What demonstration do you seek?
you utterly failed - me
Projection - you
Have you forgotten the challenge you failed already? You were supposed to find (and link to) the comment in which i said “truth is arbitrary” which you falsely attributed to me. Don’r be upset because you failed; just admit your mistake and move on. It’s how we grow. It isn’t your first mistake, and it won’t be your last. There is no shame in making a mistake, but there is great shame in refusing to admit it out of pride.
How is a measurement tool used if not by looking at it?
You are being willfully obtuse. Obviously the measurement tool does not look, it measures. Looking and measuring are different, and sight is not required to measure or live. You seem to be getting bogged down in minutia to “defend your point”, but it is only muddling the conversation. You can “win the point” if you must, but you are losing the thread of the conversation in the process.
The horizon is a word that denotes where the the land meets the sky from our perspective
Yes, where it appears to meet from our perspective. It is an optical illusion chiefly caused by the angular resolution limits of our eyes.
lake and sea beds are where the water stops and land begins
That is a physical location, the horizon is not. It’s apparent distance changes with weather conditions, and no matter how much you want to reach it, it always recedes from you - exactly like a rainbow, and for extremely similar reasons.
the horizon, the shoreline, the coastline
🎶One of these things is not like the other ones, one of these things does not belong🎶 :)
That is what these words, like horizon, denote: not an illusion. It's not a mystery or a lie.
I agree, it is simply an mistake/error that we were taught. The horizon is not a physical location, it is an optical illusion. You cannot infer the shape of the world from an optical illusion. “Flat earthers” erroneously point to a flat horizon as proof the world is flat. Globe earth believers erroneously think that the horizon curves and proves a spherical earth. They are mirrors of the same fundamental mistake.
You've simply misunderstood what it means.
You don’t have to agree with me, but you could understand me if you wish to. The misunderstanding is what we were both taught about the physical reality of the horizon being the “edge of the world”. It isn’t; it’s just the edge of our vision.
If your next reply requires more explanations
None of my replies have really required any explanations from you. You will never understand my perspective by explaining yours, and it is crazy to think that is the way it ought to work. As i said, if you want to understand my perspective, my reasoning, and my evidence - you should try asking questions!
The only thing I'm doing that is silly is engaging with your replies.
You only believe this because of your bias that what i am saying has to be bullshit. You cannot earnestly or objectively evaluate with such a bias, and in reality it is a conditioned response to protect your worldview.
Arguing to the contrary is merely being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, nothing more.
It isn’t contrarian to point out that measuring and vision are separate and distinct. Measurement is done with many tools, none of which are the human eye (for good reason!).
By the "logic" of your "main point", everything seen by the human eye is an endless optical illusion
No, you’re being silly again. I never said that everything was an optical illusion, i only said that the horizon was. Did you really misunderstand me, or do you just want to for rhetorical and rationalizational purpose? If you really think i said, or implied, that everything the human eye sees is an endless optical illusion, please quote what i said which made you think that so that we can discuss it.
I'm not interested in delving into holographic universe or where ever this is going
I share your loathing for sophistry. There are few i dislike more than the simulationists/holosexuals. Perish the thought! I’m talking about demonstrably observable (i.e. measurable!), manifest objective reality and science.
The horizon is an optical illusion, not a place. We were mistaught about it. No bullshit, no holographic simulation, no “everything is just an optical illusion created by your mind” - hippy dippy nonsense.
Your stance against the obvious curve of the horizon in these videos is profoundly flawed and not based on logic or reason.
And you will always presume/imagine it is so unless you take the time to understand the logic and reason! Asking questions would be a good first step! Assuming you already understand, and making erroneous statements based on your flawed assumptions is not a good way to learn about the perspectives of others.
Then you don’t get to comment
I am much more knowledgeable on the subject than you are, because i have spent much more time studying it. As a result i am much better suited to comment on it than you are. Even though that is obviously true, i would not seek to suppress or revoke your ability to comment (or otherwise discuss the topic) because that would prevent you from ever learning more about it, and all deserve the chance to earnestly express themselves.
The ignorant, like yourself, deserve to comment every bit as much as the learned/studied - perhaps more so because they can benefit so much more from engagement in the topic!
in your deluded view, you are the learned with “the truth” (despite having spent no time studying the subject) - and if this were in fact the case it would be your duty to share that truth with “ignorant” commenters who have differing views to yours. No, incessant calls to suicide and ad hominem are not effective ways to convey your knowledge to others.
Then you don’t support flat earth being allowed to be posted here.
You only think (incorrectly/erroneously) that the topic is spam because you don’t understand it and haven’t studied it earnestly. Your opinions on any topic don’t make it spam, even if it is untrue. If you could demonstrate it is untrue, then it is your duty to do so! Sadly, all you seem capable of is parroting and ad hominem :(
Discussion over
Lol. As i’ve said to you many times; can a discussion ever be over before it’s begun? You just stick your fingers in your ears and scream like a child - no discussion ever takes place. it’s one of the reasons i increasingly hope you are a bot - for your sake.
So learn how to fucking process information at a level above that of a second grader
Practice what you preach brother or sister (or hopefully, bot)!
Don’t be angry that you got caught lying to yourself! Don’t be angry at me that you utterly failed to link to when i made that statement you fabricated and falsely attributed to me! Just admit your mistakes and try to do better, and/or get your programmer to fix you.
Not exactly. The first step of the scientific method is observe, not merely look. In empiricism (aka science), observation means measurement.
The scientific method also has nothing to do with what we are discussing. The scientific method is not used to establish/determine natural/scientific law, like the shapes of various things - which we are discussing.
Besides, when you properly know what the horizon is - the whole line of reasoning becomes foolish. Even if the optical illusion of the horizon curved, it wouldn’t establish the shape of the world. The entire thing is a red herring.
One of the reasons that repeated and rigorous measurement is required in science is because what we see is often not what is - especially from a great distance.
Measurement cannot exist without looking
You can’t really think that.
Looking is the essence of measurement
Looking may lead to measuring, but no - it is not the essence of it.
Is it harder to measure without eyes, sure - it’s harder to live without them. Are eyes necessary to measure (or live)? of course not - don’t be silly!
Used in combination with "ground knowledge" it is only going to improve accuracy.
You seem to be overly fixated on minutia here. The main point is that the horizon is an optical illusion, not the “edge of the world” which we could study/measure/look at to determine its shape.
Is earth flat.
Not according to you, but you just parrot what you’re taught. Other people have other views. Most people would say no, but that doesn’t make them right. Truth is not democratic (thank god). My personal answer is, “i don’t know”. It certainly has topography and so is not perfectly flat in any case - so i could also answer no if you like - but that would sidestep the spirit of your question.
Do you support the posting of spam on this board.
I already told you no...
Also, if you want to actually ask questions - try using a question mark!
Behave like a jew one more time and you get nothing but mockery in every reply for the rest of your time here.
Lol, the tantruming child demanding the adults act better or they will continue to act poorly :( You aren’t capable of a higher standard of discourse/interaction. By all means prove me wrong and grow up, at your leisure of course.
I say exactly what the person quoted has said.
Lying to yourself is bad for you. Please link to when i said “truth is arbitrary” which you “quoted” here (https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/16aA98Z6t0/flat-earth-conspiracy-theory-exp/c/4Tq1OEIdiG0), and when you fail to do so - please learn something.
Yawn, can’t read.
At least you can admit that! Perhaps you should learn to before you try “communicating” again though.
Thanks for admitting you lied earlier in the thread, then.
You are having a schizo conversation with the voices in your head. Above in this comment i linked to when you made this “quote” up, which you are now responding to yourself about me “lying” in a statement you made! Again, when you fail to find the original statement you fabricated and falsely attributed to me (explicitly mentioned and linked to above) i hope you can learn something (or your programmer can fix you).
Answer the two questions
I did, but i wouldn’t have had to if your reading comprehension weren’t so atrocious. I have answered those questions many times in pervious discussions with you, and one of them explicitly in this current comment thread.
No, we don’t just “trust our eyes” in science. That would be stupid.
Notably, this “just trust your eyes” position is used by many flat earthers to “prove” the world is flat.
Your contrived/fabricated statement becomes :
“Don’t trust your lying eyes! The world only looks flat, but is actually spherical because there is no truth but mine; everything else is fake”
You're basically arguing that it's unscientific to climb to a higher vantage point to get better bearings
It is unscientific to merely look, yes. Science (empiricism) requires measurement - for very good reason. It is not easier to measure things as you get farther and farther away from them.
It is both stupid and unscientific to go away from the earth, high in the sky, to measure the shape of the world. That is not the same thing as your misinterpretation, no.
Does it bother you that you have to fabricate things that i didn’t say because you can’t rationally respond to any of the the things i actually said? It would bother me if i were you ...
In any case, your fabricated “quote” is nonsensical. Math is merely a language. It isn’t fake, but everything written with it isn’t automatically true/real as a result.
This comes from a “documentary” on netflix called behind the curve. It is a part of the heavily advertised (i.e. heavily funded) flat earth psyop.
If you want to discuss the flaws (or merits, if that is your view) in this procedure and learn the reasons it is no way an experiment - please join us to discuss it on flatearthresearch!
The short answer is, light’s path is affected by the matter it travels through. Purely optical observations like this are not the way to measure the surface of water reliably.