That would be wild if true. I was unable to find any in a quick search, but have little (to no) doubt that such footage exists.
By default, weather balloon instrumentation (including cameras) are pointed down at the air they are studying/measuring.
I did find this : https://digitalcommons.cwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1047&context=undergradproj describing a university of washington weather balloon describing the slot for the downward facing camera.
will also incorporate a second camera that sits at the bottom of the box and points downward to photograph the terrain and atmosphere below
still, none of you have ever tried, you always rely on shitty horizon shots
I expect many people have sent up balloons with the cameras facing downwards. God knows there is a heck of a lot more to see in that direction than there is towards the horizon. But you would only ever get a shot of the ground.
I, personally, am not a flat earther and do not rely on any shots of anything (horizon from any altitude included) to determine the shape of the world.
You are underestimating the size of the world, as well as the maximum height of balloons (filled with gas anyway)
Debunking is exclusively for and by fools. Earnest students prefer diligent/rigorous research instead.
Furthermore, there is no flat earth model and looking at the sun in the sky (the literal opposite direction) to determine the shape of the earth is both unscientific and powerful dumb.
flat earth is a psyop
True.
to force people away from independent thinking by marking us lunatics
That’s just a fringe benefit, because the psyop has been so successful. The real purpose of the flat earth psyop is to suppress the subject because it is valuable. That’s why they call it a “conspiracy theory” when it isn’t, as they do with countless other topics discussed here.
no flat earther has EVER put a downwards looking camera on a balloon to show the shape of the planet...
And how would a downward facing camera show the shape of the entire planet hanging from a balloon? It would only show the local topography, and would appear like all the other high altitude arial photos do - largely flat, regardless of the shape of the entire world.
Agreed!
Your mistake [prejudice] is in assuming all people with an interest in the subject are automatically shills :(
Google is already using the CIA flat-earth psyop as justification to shut down YouTube content.
Exactly why we can’t allow such censorship here.
The flat earth psyop is for the purpose of suppressing and discrediting the subject and its researchers. This is why the content that is left on youtube is remarkably against flat earth - that is the purpose of the flat earth psyop.
NAY
There is a dedicated community on this website for Flat Earth [FE] stuff:
https://scored.co/c/flatearthresearch/new
Thanks for the plug! Obviously I am biased, but i think it is important to have such a dedicated place - especially for in-depth discussions on the topic.
There is no need for FE here on conspiracies IMO
I generally agree, because the shape of the earth and determining it for yourself have nothing to do with conspiracy.
However, the reason i voted nay despite that is because the subject (like so many others discussed here) is falsely labeled/conflated with “conspiracy”/“conspiracy theory” to suppress and discredit it.
They are time wasters and trolls who reject logical and reasonable rebuttal of their assertions. If someone disproves their idea they say it's lies and fakery without justification or evidence.
I agree wholeheartedly that the (intentional!) time wasters and trolls are tiresome/annoying and don’t deserve to participate here. However, the earnest flat earth researchers (and many of the gullible “flat earthers”) are largely not that way and do not treat people disrespectfully like you describe. It would be a great shame, if they were painted with the same brush - guilty by default for the actions of others.
I sincerely hope that you do not let “democracy” make this community worse and increase censorship to the detriment of all. It is your decision, but i think you can achieve your goals by banning the users who do not participate earnestly and with respect for others without resorting to banning topics arbitrarily.
On the other hand, i am of the opinion that flatearthresearch is the more appropriate place for such discussions anyway, and i would hate for legitimate interest in the subject to harm any community.
This is a misunderstanding. Other isotopes are used in such “estimates” [guesses] as to the earth’s supposed (and dogmatically taught) age.
This video is wrong about the cause of setting and rising (occultation by/with the horizon)
Although perspective and angular resolution certainly play a role in the optical illusion, the chief cause of setting/rising is the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light from distant sources to curve convexly towards the surface.
If it were “all perspective” as it is popularly advertised by the flat earth psyop, then the sun (and boats etc.) would appear to shrink to a dot and then disappear. This is essentially a strawman that would-be-flat-earth-researchers are intended to swallow and repeat so that their opponents (the flat earth psyop) can make them look stupid when they repeat the false claim.
To anyone interested in this subject (for, against, neutral), please join us to exchange perspectives on flatearthresearch!
Space is fake and gay.
True.
Low earth orbit is all they've got.
If that were true, they wouldn’t need the balloons!
It makes far less sense to discuss the state of belief of one thing or another when actual evidence reveals crimes in progress
Crimes are always in progress. It doesn’t negate the importance of learning.
without question the focus should be on the matters of importance.
I agree, and as i said - IF the world is flat, researching that (and how and why we have been so wrong for so long) is certainly a matter of importance.
If it isn’t important, why did you post this article at all?
I would prefer to know what the status is on the recognition of criminal activity by organizations on a massive scale.
What good is recognizing criminal organizations on a massive scale if you can (and) do nothing about them?
As they say, knowing is half the battle.
Who is to blame? Why is everyone so oblivious to real problems in the domain of life?
There are answers to your questions, but knowing them does not invalidate the worth/value of other knowledge!
Flat earth is irrelevant and not worth my time.
I could say the same thing about “electric universe”/“plasma astronomy” too. Would i be right?
Is knowledge not valuable for its own sake? Is the pursuit of truth suddenly not valuable simply because criminals own and run the world?
Are you really saying that, even if the world is flat, it is better to believe a lie of a globe because fact/reality is “irrelevant and not worth your time”?
All that and nothing, good thing I was speed reading.
If you thought that i said nothing, you may want to give it another read through! If you want “something” in particular, why not ask a specific question?
At any rate, it does not matter
Or it does. That’s my whole point. You currently believe it doesn’t matter, and yet there is a heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop campaign specifically encouraging you to think that.
what matters are more important things
If the earth is flat, this is certainly an “important thing” to discuss and research. Honestly even if it isn’t flat, the subject would still be extremely valuable to study - for reasons you will never know if you can’t be bothered to even have a discussion about it (let alone conduct actual research on it).
I know you probably didn’t read my last comment, so i will ask the simple and easy question once again :
My question for you is, “If the world were truly flat, would you want to know it?”.
Sadly you are acting like the answer is no, and you would prefer to ignore than to know :(
Without question, the power of gravity is nothing compared to electrical reactions.
You could say the same thing about wind. Yet using wind or electricity to cause something substantial to lift is no small order.
You could say the same thing about lifting, writ-large. The power of gravity is nothing compared to lifting (because we can lift things). I don’t think your statement is all that meaningful or fundamentally accurate.
It’s a rephrasing of the common “gravitation is weak/diffuse” conceit used to pretend that is the reason gravitation (unlike electricity or magnetism - for instance) is fundamentally useless. In my view, it is useless because it is non-real/fictional and unscientific.
When we look at the formation of spiral galaxies, we can see that chaos and gravity are not the driving creators it is electrical energy.
We can believe such things, and there may be merits in such beliefs however we don’t see “formation” of spiral galaxies, and fundamentally have no idea what we are looking at. We have lots of mythology (i.e. guesses) for what they are and how they are made, but no science.
It is true that none of our models (computer simulations) work to describe such galaxy formation assuming all our mythological/pseudoscientific/religious beliefs regarding them are correct (aka cosmology/astronomy/astrophysics). Adding in speculations of equally unverified and unverifiable “electrical energy” is akin to “dark matter”/“dark energy” and other contrived fiction designed to bail out plainly failed models and continue to cling to mythology over science.
Flat earth is silly
It only appears that way at first glance, without any earnest research or discussion. There are also heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop campaigns to ensure/encourage you to never seriously evaluate it. Why do you think such large amounts of money are spent to convince people that something that is already ostensibly silly/stupid by default is “far too silly to ever actually evaluate”? Methinks the woman doth protest too much!
if it had any merit we would have full video of the planet over the course of 24 hours, there is a reason this footage is not available and the flat earth belief is likely it.
If the earth were flat, and not a planet, how could you ever obtain such footage (without fabricating/faking it)? I agree that flat earth belief is a scourge, as is globe earth belief. If you believe that the world is round, flat, or any other shape - you have faith not fact. Belief is the enemy of knowledge and to objective study of any kind (it’s also known as bias).
You are safe to ignore it completely
You are “safe” to ignore most everything completely, depending on your definition of safe. But ignoring (or rather attempting to ignore) reality, comes with steep penalties as well as missed opportunities. It was “safe” for our ancestors to believe zeus was responsible for all the lighting and storms - but it was still wrong and limited their ability to know the real world.
live your life without it and research to your hearts content on constructs that pertain to forward momentum of knowledge in general.
I research it because it is extremely rewarding, and because i value the pursuit of truth more than i care about ridicule. Many, perhaps most, radically new ideas are maligned/detested/attacked.
My question for you is, “If the world were truly flat, would you want to know it?”. Assuming it were true, even hypothetically; wouldn’t researching the subject “pertain to forward momentum of knowledge in general”?
Gravity is a side effect of the electrical interactions in the universe, plasma cosmology has the most answers when it comes to the attempt to explain 'gravity'
I don’t think that is the case at all. Why do you?
In my view, gravity is very simple and its cause is completely explained by archimedes’ principle. It is fictional gravitation which makes it seem complicated.
Flat earth is a preposterous suggestion to delve into with the evidence on hand.
It seems that way at first glance, but i assure you - the opposite is the case. You can only discover that by earnest research and discussion though.
It has been pushed as a religion for the weak minded the same crowd that pushes co2 climate control belief, same basket of retard.
Agreed. A lot of money is spent propagating it.
Earnest flat earth research, just like earnest climate science, is very different than what is advertised to us by our enemies though!
I was mostly pleasantly surprised by this “article”. The person being interviewed seems to have a genuine interest in the subject, and even more rare than that - actual experience with it.
both models suffer from an inability to explain gravity
This is incorrect. All models (including the globe) suffer from an inability to explain gravitation. But the reason for that is that gravitation is not real, and so cannot be the cause of gravity.
Many flat earth researchers can explain gravity without difficulty, and their explanations are supported by observation and experiment (unlike gravitation).
They said that is identical to a world in which the ground accelerates upwards to meet you
In my view, this is equal parts contrived strawman (popularized by the flat earth society, and other groups - to make their followers appear/sound foolish) and satire. It is every bit as farcical and stupid to believe that the world accelerates upwards perpetually as it is to believe it pulls downwards perpetually.
is accelerating upward at 9.8 meters per second squared and always has been since the Dawn of time, you'd hit a problem, which would be the speed of light.
Not a problem at all! Just a freshman level misunderstanding of relativity and the speed of light. However, it is stupid and unscientific to think anything - regardless of direction - is or ever could be accelerating perpetually.
US flat earth convention and spoke to people there and asked, how did you get into the flat earth movement? And of the 40 people they asked, 39 of them said, I saw it recommended to me on YouTube.
True. Flat earth and flat earthers are a heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. There are earnest researchers out there though, which the psyop exists to suppress and discredit.
Sadly the interviewee goes on to say that flat earth research and conventions are dangerous, implying that free thought and assembly on this topic ought to be outlawed, because it promotes/encourages other unpopular ideas.
If you are at all interested in the subject (for, against, neither), please join us to exchange perspectives on flatearthresearch!
Then there really is no point in having a conversation.
Perhaps. But then there is really no point in asking questions about things you, and the people you ask, cannot verify for yourself/themselves.
My speculations are not baseless / without evidence, but like your belief that satellites are orbiting the world - speculation is all we have on such topics, short of blind appeal to authority (aka belief).
Although i speculate on what, precisely, satellites are and how (and if!) they stay floating above our heads without falling, i don’t speculate when i state that they are not and cannot be “orbiting” the way we are taught. The reason is because orbit is fictional, and was from its historical inception.
Why can we see the sattelites but not the balloons?
We shouldn’t be able to see satellites at all, by how far away they are supposed to be.
A non reflective balloon above them would be much more difficult to spot indeed, assuming they exist - that is.
How are balloons able to travel multiple kms/second?
It is important to recognize that we are speaking of speculation, but i suspect they are in a swirling motion found in the rarefied air far above us. There are certainly other - more esoteric - possibilities, however.
How do flat earthers explain those?
It is important to recognize that “flat earthers” are largely agents and/or products of a psyop - not real people.
Balloons? Projections?
To earnest flat earth researchers, all of the above and then some. There are many views on the subject - including that they are simply cgi and entirely fictional. If you are interested in exploring them, you may want to ask such questions over on flatearthresearch as well.
Personally i suspect that they are, as they originally began, balloons.
My own personal conspiracy inkling is that flat earth theory is a deep state psyop created for the express purpose of discrediting more valid and damning theories (because it's certainly used that way)
That is a good instinct. It is certainly used that way, but it is not the psyop’s primary purpose - it’s a fringe benefit of it due to its success.
The primary purpose of the psyop is to prevent any earnest discussion or research into the valuable subject. It does this a variety of ways, perhaps chief among them falsely conflating contrived offensively stupid ideas with it and those who would dare to study it. In my view it is a case of “the woman doth protest too much”, because there is no other reason to spend so much money on an advertising campaign (i.e. psyop) to convince people an already ostensibly stupid idea (the world is flat) by default is too stupid to ever bother looking into...
I'm always open to more evidence
I encourage you to join us on flatearthresearch to discuss such evidence, methodology, and generally exchange our views!
23 questions for those who subscribe to flat earth theory:
There is no “flat earth theory” in a scientific context (nor could there ever be, just like there isn’t and can’t be a “round earth theory”). Even in the colloquial [incorrect] definition of the word theory, there is no singular or unified “flat earth theory” of which to speak. Most every earnest flat earth researcher has their own particular/unique view.
I would say, “flat earth posit” to be more precise.
- What do you believe the motive is for the lie? and
What lie? Humanity is merely stupid and wrong, as it historically always is.
There may be some liars in the group who push a particular view for personal gain (the reason people lie), but the vast majority simply repeat what they were taught. For an example, most aren’t lying when they say “the vaxx saved the world from covid and got us back to normal”, they are just wrong.
- Even if you're right, what do you believe would be the benefit of everyone learning the truth about it? How would the world knowing the truth benefit from this knowledge?
A very common question, with many possible answers and perspectives. I’ll provide my answer, but you may want to consider also asking these questions over on flatearthresearch to hear some of the others.
Assuming someone knows better and is lying about it (a large and unnecessary assumption), the reason is almost certainly topography/cartography and control of the slave populous [citizenry]. What did many europeans choose to do once they learned the maps they had were wrong and there was a “new world” available to escape their hideous lots?
On the other hand, if people are just wrong - as is my view - then one benefit is the same as above (the potential ability to go somewhere else and escape the tyranny/slavery), and another is correctly understanding reality better / discarding incorrect mythology masquerading as science (which both pay extreme dividends in countless ways).
- How would you rank the importance of knowing this truth compared to other truths that have been dubbed "conspiracy theories?"
“Knowing this truth” is certainly important, but not nearly as important as recognizing you could be wrong/ignorant and pursuing truth (writ large). Flat earth research is perhaps the most valuable and rewarding subject that exists to study (and in so doing, learn how/refine your ability to study and think independently), which is fundamentally why there is such an extremely well advertised (i.e. funded) psyop to suppress and ridicule it. Counterintuitively, It has very little to do with the shape of the earth.
Why spend your energy trying to convince your fellow man of this theory as opposed to others?
You shouldn’t spend you time trying to convince [manipulate] others of anything. Like argument, another form of manipulation, it is a fools errand.
Instead you should try to share your views and genuinely help encourage/foster/kindle curiosity.
I encourage you to ask as many such questions as you can/want, as long as you are earnestly interested in the answers/discussion! Flatearthresearch might also be a good place to ask such questions.
why didn't they just start WW3 to kill even more white men
Lol, be careful what you wish for!
But, to answer your question; why would you want to murder all the slaves you force to do your work? And in this case, to make the situation even more preposterous - if nuclear “doomsday” weapons existed and all the fear porn propaganda about them absolutely true; even if you should want, for whatever reason, to kill all the whites - you would make the world, that you need, unlivable and the food poisonous if you used them to get the job done...
First let me preface by saying that the truth is its own reward and pays dividends even if you don’t recognize how/why.
Take something like Flat Earth Theory. Okay, if that's real, how can you do something different and gain benefit from it?
Sure, let’s assume the world is flat. In that case the maps that depict a globe, are wrong. Through exploration and cartography you can fix the maps and likely find more land / places to go than are currently known to exist. I liken it back to the pilgrims... What did so many of those europeans do when the maps were updated to include a “new world” where they could escape their miserable lot in europe?
Okay, can we recreate it to change the poles again?
No, and that is also not a conspiracy theory. That’s poor fiction written by hacks.
Though, let’s play devil’s advocate and pretend it was true, or had sufficient (or how about any) evidence to support it. The answer to your question would be yes, and the fact that we can’t do that and no one has any idea how the pyramid could accomplish such a miracle would serve as strong evidence / ostensibly prove that the “theory” is bunk, or that we have no idea how to replicate it. If we read a history book saying hydroelectric dams generate power - do we automatically gain the ability to build one ourselves? Even if we can’t build one, does knowing the truth about them not benefit us at all in your view?
What are some conspiracy theories that if true can actually lead to us doing something different?
There are too many to mention (though many, if not most, are not conspracies nor theories. They are falsely labeled that way to discredit and suppress them).
Take the moon landing hoax / nasa money laundering/embezzlement scheme. You could organize and share the truth to stop the tax dollars being stolen and wasted! You could do lots of stuff - the question is really, “Will you?!” Our enemies hope (and conspire so that) the answer is always no.
How can we benefit from knowing the "truth"?
Let me rephrase and see if you think your question is still reasonable, “How can learning new correct things and/or identifying and discarding untrue things we learned in the past ever benefit us?”
True, but geocentric and geospheric are not necessarily one and the same.
No one is doubting the usefulness of triangulation.
Sextants work, but they don’t depend on a spherical earth the way you believe. In fact, if the world is flat - they obviously work just fine on a flat world.