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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

I certainly do not have all the answers but I do have most of the questions usually. lol

I wish people would stop being assholes as well and agree there is too much hate however, from what I have learned it is impossible to legislate morality even if there was an objective agreed upon moral code we all agreed on. But of course there isn't and morality is subjective for the most part and generally people believe whatever fucked up shit they do is moral anyhow so it wouldn't help. BLM, antifa, proud boys or the KKK there is not one of them who doesn't believe in their cause and knows they are playing the role of the villain or that their actions aren't justified given the evils of the opposing side to their cause.

I am not sure if society is better with some rules regarding speech to be honest. And we have more laws on the books than we could possibly know in this modern society and look at the shape we are in. Maybe these laws aren't helping the situation and more freedom would stop many of the conflicts out there.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

So what's your solution?

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah so not sure what just happened there. I am just asking questions to illustrate my point. I am not sure what you perceived as an attack. I do not mean "you" personally when I include "you" in the question if that is what it was. Gonna attempt to move on here and this is not an attack either, just debating your point.

Orchestrating a raid on someone's house is a conspiracy to commit a crime and there are already rules on the books to handle this. The means by which he communicated those plans (ie a website) shouldn't be held liable just as the telephone company shouldn't if he communicated using their platform.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed. As most of knew from the get go this whole thing is rotten on every level.

I should add that Fauci admitted to lying and giving bad medical advice about not needing masks early on. That is against his hippocratic oath. How many people died because he gave bad medical advice? He said he did it so their would be masks for hospital people and to avoid a run on masks. Fair reasoning, however as a doctor he should have explained that and recommended and showed people how to make their own masks at home out of whatever material until the supply of PPE could catch up. But instead he decided the lives and safety of hospital staff was more important that your lives and mislead the public into believing something was safe that he knew was not safe. (I don't believe you need masks btw but they supposedly do) If he was brought up on malpractice charges I bet the truth would come out in his defense that he never believed you need masks in the first place therefore was not purposefully giving bad medical information.

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

How could speech directly hurt a person? Like hurt feelings? Or physical harm? Same question for being violated. How could I violate you with my speech?

Who are you saying is liable if my speech on this site has hurt or violated you? Me or the site? Or both? Are websites that allow for content from users now tasked with making sure to limit liabilities from potential speech that could potentially violate another person? Who in their right mind would have a website at that point? Do sites like Amazon need to monitor the reviews of products and Q and A portion of their sites because someone's opinion was hurtful or damaged their reputation because the product sucked? Peoples reviews could hurt the feelings of the makers of the product and even make them lose money and potentially feel violated by honest reviewer making him and Amazon both liable for it.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

Definitely iffy stuff, potentially dangerous even. Freedom can be like that sometimes. I am certainly not saying advocating violence is good or should be encouraged by any means. It is shitty behavior for sure and hopefully people aren't stupid enough to commit violence because someone told them to, however if they are I do not think that laws against this speech would do much to help the situation. If we do we are then saying that the person committing the violence is less accountable for their own actions do o the fact that another person suggested he commit the violence. Should he get a lesser sentence? What punishment for the person who told him what to do, without any authority over him and without any threats if he didn't do them get?

Also, how often are these sort of situations presenting themselves? Aren't we creating the rule for the exception at that point?

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

If becoming independent and not relying on the system for survival is considering living in hiding, sure.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

Liable for repercussions? How so? What kind of repercussions for what kind of speech? And who decides?

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Turtlew0rk 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes.

No speech should be illegal.

Violent speech should be free and legal repercussions only come when a threat is made. The threat is the crime (the actual admission of being a potential threat to cause harm) the speech is not. Threats are the only speech that could be considered violent and is only potentially violent. Telling another person to go commit violence should no be illegal as it relies on the actions of another person and is their decision and we should respect that each person does what they decide and are responsible for it.

A private website is not obliged to allow for free speech.

You are free to yell whatever you want on a person's property until that person tells you to leave the property. If they do not, they are guilty of trespassing. Not any speech while trespassing unless it was a threat of physical harm.

No private company should be forced to host anything they do not want or do business with anyone they do not wish to based on any reason, including racism and bigotry.

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Turtlew0rk 3 points ago +3 / -0

The false flag can be played a any time and it doesn't matter how much things get away from them, or seem to anyways. A false flag will change everything, destroy any progress we may have now as well as adding a new even scarier threat has people begging to give the government more power to "protect us" and people will give up any amount of personal liberty it requires as well as demand you do the same.

It will be obvious that it is a FF to everyone already aware of FF's in the past and it will not matter how well it can be proven because facts won't matter if they do not adhere to the new narrative if you can even find a way to disseminate those facts without being censored.

We are too far gone to fix the current system. I am of the opinion that the best option is to remove yourself from it as much as possible for your situation and be prepared if the inevitable collapse of civilization that is needed for a complete restart. May or may not happen in our lifetimes, but it is the only solution at this point. The slate must be wiped clean.

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Turtlew0rk 3 points ago +3 / -0

I thought the same thing!

And eventually so did Rolling Stone

UPDATE: Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah issued a statement: Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room. With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months. NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care. We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gunshot-victims-horse-dewormer-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

From Rolling Stone:

UPDATE: Northeastern Hospital System Sequoyah issued a statement: Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room. With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months. NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care. We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gunshot-victims-horse-dewormer-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

I can tell you that the Orphan trains that took kids to the midwest back in the day is 100% true. John Taylor Gatto talks about it in "The Ultimate History Lesson" which is a 6 hour interview with him that has horrible production value and at first his odd delivery and tendency to ramble make it seem unwatchable especially for 6 hours. But then it starts to get interesting and he grows on you and is just blowing your mind with his vast knowledge about seemingly everything and references for everything pop up at he bottom and are available online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZBdv2yznmI

Make the time sometime. You will be glad you did.

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

I completely agree and must admit I was complaining because I knew I was gonna watch it anyways lol. And it is interesting and there could be a lot of truth there about history being BS, but I haven't seen anything remotely convincing on the FE thing. And I hate to admit it, but I do wanna be convinced at least a little and it never happens.

And I just want someone to answer those questions and do not understand how anyone believes it without any of those things even being addressed.

The closest I have got is that there is an icewall at the edge of the oceans all around and they even show footage of a glacier like cliff in antarctica with a base or reasearch facility up there as proof. So I am like "cool, well where does that ice go? What if you follow that to the end what's there?"

And then crickets. So annoying.

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Turtlew0rk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Now its nothing but parisian bullshit from those racist ass insurrectionist russian Trumpers. This is a conspiracy sub and those stupid rednecks (and literal murderers) just wanna bicker over political shit like vaccines and masks.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

oh FFS flat earth stuff lol. No flat earthers can answer my simple questions about what is on the edge of the earth? What's underneath it? Is space real? If not, where is the sun and moon and how far away are they? Stars? What is above us if there is no space? What are the planets? What is the motivation behind hiding all this and why aren't pilots saying anything?

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Turtlew0rk 6 points ago +6 / -0

Finally someone is stepping up to be the guy that makes the "where's the conspiracy" type comment. Hopefully you can point out reposts and basically hang around conspiracy subs almost exclusively despite no believing any of them and just kinda point out how stupid everyone is ya know? Maybe some strawman arguments here and there? You know the gig I am sure.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

If this is about aliens creating covid I am going to be very upset with you

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

The two guys we are talking about and are the subject of the post.

George Washington and Adam Weishaupt.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

They were both freemasons and likely both Jesuits as well. Seem unlikely foes to me.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

What is happening here? I am lost. Context?

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