Stop with this imaginary shill on shill debate.

No serious person is an "anti-natalist". The fact you even post about that here is just showing your shill card.

No intellectual honesty detected.

REEEEing and name calling

I already debunked most of these pseudo-arguments in my post.

I can't deal with your narcissism today, I need real discussion.

So go the fuck home. Forever. Never come back.

Oh now you make me want to stay. I like to make the devil squirm.

Is the Bible the word of God? And are you saved?

Attention! OP is a fraud. Only a dishonest propagandist would post this blatant misquote https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARd3nRpov/jews-owned-75-of-the-slaves-/

Or push Hitler as "the Second Coming" which is blasphemy. Or pretend to be Christian while mocking Christianity

it's come to my attention that OP is a fraud. Only a dishonest propagandist would post this blatant misquote https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARd3nRpov/jews-owned-75-of-the-slaves-/

Or push Hitler as "the Second Coming" which is blasphemy. Or pretend to be Christian while mocking Christianity

it's come to my attention that OP is a fraud. Only a dishonest propagandist would post this blatant misquote https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARd3nRpov/jews-owned-75-of-the-slaves-/

Or push Hitler as "the Second Coming" which is blasphemy. Or pretend to be Christian while mocking Christianity

it's come to my attention that OP is a fraud. Only a dishonest propagandist would post this blatant misquote https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARd3nRpov/jews-owned-75-of-the-slaves-/

Or push Hitler as "the Second Coming" which is blasphemy. Or pretend to be Christian while mocking Christianity

JG5 is an anti-White 5G shill, who defends poisoning white children with cell tower radiation in schools.

JG5 is an anti-White 5G shill, who defends poisoning white children with cell tower radiation in schools.

JG5 is an anti-White 5G shill, who defends poisoning white children with cell tower radiation in schools.

The fact you had to call in the low IQ shill JG5 shows me you can't have a real discussion.

And no, by saying this is not anti-white that doesn't mean "admitting this is anti-white". What even is that argument? Have some intellectual honesty.

You claim Africans "need whites" (there is that pathology!) then how did my grandfather start his own business in an all black country and get wealthy? Because of his efforts I was able to grow up in a white country, and because of my efforts I now have to ability to do well in any country. I could start a business in Mexico or Brazil and make money.

And having to resort to name calling and insults means you've already lost. People of reason don't need to use those, and other whites having class and reason doesn't confer it to you by extension.

Low class people think any criticism is "white hate".

Just admit you're incapable of intelligent debate.

Ethiopia: never controlled by Whites, looks exactly like it's neighbours.

Ethiopia isn't terrible from what I've heard. I watch some American youtuber who lives in Nairobi. Not saying it is Norway, but it's livable.

They were barely functioning on the level of Whites ("great strides" for over 100 years).

They were making great strides getting out of poverty prior to the 1960s. Poverty levels were declining quickly. That's a fact. Literacy rates climbed very quickly. You can even watch 1960s interviews with civil rights activists compared to the activists today, there has been a marked drop in intelligence. That might not even be limited to just blacks, but that's another story.

Creating, hands down, the most propserous of the African countries.

Which you should if you're bringing skills and ability from a more advanced society. Not surprising.

Yep, these are inevitable in places where the average IQ is that of a mental retard.

I didn't know Russia and China fell into that. Doesn't Russia have those smart white genes that can't do communism?

Like, what? Building them roads, railways, and power infrastructure that they let collapse?

See there is that pathology. It's like the coddling mother. "I did all this for you and you couldn't do it for yourself". There was no intention to train up non-whites to those jobs or work with them. Just like Jews don't want to train up Palestinians to be anything but their grunt labor.

we love having to deal with self-destructive Blacks ruining public spaces and murdering

People are strange like that. And it goes both ways. Pathological blacks were funded and proliferated under pathological white socialism and white embrace of gangster rap. Instead of just letting them continue to improve as they were prior to the 60s degeneration, we just fed sugar to the cancerous portion of black people.

The question was do different races have different IQ distribution which is not simply explained by environment and upbringing

The question of how much IQ is inherited vs what can be achieved through environment and human volition in an ongoing question. I've seen numbers of 50% attributable to your individual DNA and 50% from other factors, but I can't give a definitive answer.

But I can point to some facts that indicate that reality. For example, one mineral alone, Iodine, can be the difference of 10 IQ points, I've read. That's just one physical factor within our control.

That's the problem - you look at this argument as a dialectic and take it personally. I only care for the truth

Not exactly. I only care what is true too, however I use the personal anecdote to show you where my certainty comes from. I truly advocate to trust the evidence of one's own eyes and ears over just looking at lifeless statistics.

Nothing you've said is upsetting to me as you're not trying to be disrespectful or vulgar , like the ungodly Romanists. Clearly Orthodox doctrine is bearing better fruits.

prot arguments....Orthodox interpretation

I am truly just applying basic logic to the facts given to us in scripture.

outliers...men vs women outliers

I won't go back over the outlier argument again because I believe I've made it clearly and correctly. It's a different situation. Personally I expect if/when the USA collapses and as Europe gets more anti-immigrant, the reversing of the brain drain will lead to a relative flourishing in developing nations. That doesn't mean they have to catch up to Europe but if God decides to bless them as such he can.

I agree about the idolatry. It's rampant. Haiti, the worst performing Caribbean island, has the worst issue with voodoo practices. Their "christianity" is a cover for voodoo from what I've heard. Other Caribbean islands, which are also mostly black, have fared better. You don't hear much about St. Kitts & Nevis islands or Barbados, because those aren't failed states and from what I've seen, seem to have stronger Christian faith.

Like I said, and as you seem to agree, faith is paramount. My grandfather somehow became successful in a poor African country after his father left him nothing. And it started with a conversion to Christian faith. Now his grandchild was able to perform at the highest academic levels in America. Why wouldn't I let the reality the Lord has shown me teach me something? I think I'd be in error to ignore the lessons shown to me in my own life.

When you see the angry shills, remember:

"This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed." John 3:19-20

One more key point regarding outliers. It is outliers who move society forward, including in white societies. So if a people group can produce such outliers (and retain them) society can progress technologically and culturally.

I would also add, people overlook some of the ethnic problems in these African nations. White people freak out at a 5-10% Muslim population, saying it is ruining their country, now imagine a 50% Muslim country and 50% non-muslim. How do you think that will work out? Chaotically or smoothly?

I'm starting to think many white people have a pathological need for blacks to never do well. In Africa they draw their borders in a way that leads to unstable nations. In America when blacks were making great strides post slavery, they were "helped" with welfare by LBJ. Now after generations of welfare and gangster culture which whites helped foster, white people look aghast and say "see these people can never do well. bad genes! bad genes!"

Then in other African nations whites decided to make themselves a separated dominate minority and treat the blacks as second class citizens rather than doing some intelligent integration. Then came the predictable communist revolutions against the minority supremacist group and then economic ruin. And once again whites will say "see these blacks didn't know how good they had it as our second class citizens". No neither option was good, you fucked up too.

I understand what the Bible is saying about the sin of pride now.

How are statistics not more cintific and objective than your lived experience?

Because it depends on the point we're arguing. My initial point was refuting Nazi delusions that they create in order to make themselves feel better about their low status in society.

If the question is "can black people achieve at a high level" my lived experience is going to be the strongest evidence for me. A lived experience is reality itself, not numbers on a screen.

It's like trusting the white lab coat guys during covid (80% being government shills) instead of what you saw yourself. Trusting lived experience can be a great defense against evil.

entire continents and thousands of years

Which I've never refuted. I didn't argue they are on average high achievers. I just don't argue that they can never achieve more, as you seem to. Why would I as a high achiever with African DNA? I couldn't possibly think like that, because I'd be shooting myself in the foot.

Moreover most of human history was thousands of years of not that spectacular achievement. What were the Irish doing during the height of the Egyptian empire? Or during the Roman empire?

What did the streets smell like in most cities during the middle ages? How was the sewage handled? It probably smelled as bad as many third world places today.

When did Europeans start washing their hands during medical procedures? Germ theory was discovered in the 1800s when European doctors were still not washing between handling different patients!

You rightfully note it's not Ham that is cursed but Canaan. The Orthodox interpretation is that this represents the future corruption of Ham’s line. The curse is foreknowledge and not punishment.

Well why should I listen to that? "My church added something not written in the Bible, so I follow it". I am only obligated to consider what the text actually says. And logically speaking I don't know why Noah's curse would a) be binding like it came from God himself b) expand to beyond what is written

It's just assumptions on top of assumptions.

I agree with taking Genesis seriously, but I was focused on the endless genealogy portion. We are not to obsess over that kind of thing or think it confers us favor, as the Jews do.

I've noticed the Romanist accounts are a bunch of dishonest shills.

Everybody is finding out the Jews are evil, it's not even underground anymore. That's why real Christians are calling out Rome which is rising to take their place as the ostensible head of the Beast.

So says the lying shill and fake Christian.

I've always been content to do the opposite of "blend in" here. I criticize racism all the time and always have. I also got banned from multiple communities including your communities (which nobody visits anyway).

Yes a psychopath can play the game he needs to play at the time he needs to play it. But Trump only cares about Trump, and has no real ideology beyond that. Trump is just flattering his fellow narcissists and keeping them happy, for now.

I'm fine being early on this point.

No I'm not saying Trump will "save us" and be a hero. Far from it. He will be a false savior.

They love money and power. Trump could not care less about Israel.

Zionism is just a means to an end, and it has an expiration date.

Do you see what I see? Much truth is spoken in jest, and one day the Beast turns on the Whore who rides it.

The seeds of destruction are already planted. The monster they created turns on the owner.

So I looked more into the genealogy, and even if we somehow take Noah's curse on Canaan to extend to all his descendants (absurd IMHO), black Africans descend from Cush who is another son of Ham.

And a few other pieces of evidence about Cushites in the Bible.

• Moses also married a Cush woman, so the idea that there was this clear class distinction is just not true according to scripture.

• You can also look in the New Testament where a Cush priest is coming to the temple to worship, not as a slave but as a dignitary of the Ethiopian queen.

• Cush was also the father of Nimrod, who was a king of Babylon I think after the flood.

The "curse" I see on black people is often the sin of witchcraft and ungodliness. What do my successful family in America have in common? Strong Christian faith. Not that every single person is born again saint, but a large proportion of them being believers lifts up the entire group. I saw it in my own life first hand. Without faith, following the world, I crashed and burned despite every opportunity and a good deal of natural talent. Faith was essential.

And if you look at people in the village in my father's country (which I'll keep to myself) there is plenty of witchcraft and voodoo masquerading as "christianity"

One such difference is general lower IQ which is not just explained by environment but is also genetic.

Notice how I never once said there aren't average IQ differences between races. However, genetics are not set in stone at the creation of man. So acting like they are is to ignore reality.

This idea that we're all created equal and our circumstances are the only thing that matters is exactly why deranged leftists think it's ok to deluge the civilized countries with third world immigrants because eventually they will assimilate and integrate.

And that's the problem, no one is capable of nuance and therefore accuracy on this issue. It's too polarized. Either you want open borders or you must ban an entire race, with no in between. I don't argue you can just allow mass immigration and expect assimilation. Just because something is technically possible does not mean it is what is probable at scale.

They are incapable of building and living in a civilized society

Is your belief. It's not scientifically valid as I already demonstrated. The existence of high achievers does disprove that mathematically and logically. Humans are capable of reproduction and discipline can be passed down. In my own life I've been to many family gathers of a hundred plus extended family and its in no way uncivilized. I've never felt unsafe or like I was in some kind of backwards place at those. The few extended family I know on my white side are actually more dysfunctional. So to argue with me that my family has genetics incapable of building and living in a civilized way will always seem absurd. You can't trump lived experience with "muh statistics" and "hey watch this racist youtube video"

the descendants of Ham (black people) were cursed to be subservient to the descendants of Shem (semites) and Japheth (whites, asians)

If this is what Orthodox are teaching, that's concerning. You're assuming a curse Noah put on Canaan is valid for all black people? That's just kind of insane. I don't see the logic there.

I'm also not convinced Canaanites were black, I'm pretty sure they were some kind of Arab. But I haven't looked into the genealogy much, since in 1 Timothy we read "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith".

Go on, say the line in full. "Judge not....so please don't judge me with the truth of scripture sir!"

What a joke of a shill. No real Catholic uses the "judge not" defense like a liberal.

And then using judge not to judge others is hilarious as well! So fake.