Strawmen galore. It's pointless to even address all of them. I never said I support any current regime's censorship because I think they are all bad. There are no true Christian states anymore. But if you knew history, you'd know there were such states in the past and they did enforce censorship including jailing heretics and burning dangerous books. States like the Byzantine Empire which was the longest lasting empire in the world. You'd call such states tyrannical no doubt.
This was much before the masonic US with it's liberal democratic (jewish) principles you're so found of was established so I understand your ignorance.
Ok, here comes theology 101.
God created everything good, right? He created the angels in His own image, meaning they like us have free will. They used their free will to rebel against God and fell away from Him, becoming demons. Thus they divorced themselves from God who is life and condemned themselves to the lake of fire (which is how they experience God's presence or absence depending on interpretation).
God doesn't create evil. Evil is uncreated and the logical result of free will.
I see no evidence the masons had any involvement with it.
Are you sure it doesn't remind you of a certain Statue of Liberty? Just say you have no clue what freemasonry is about. I'm not saying freemasons built it.
CCP did not do it because of moral goodness, but because of worldview clash.
Yes.
CCP wrecking an object does nothing to justify their mass killings.
Indeed.
Title was ironic. CCP is obviously not based but them tearing down the freemasonic statue is ironically based.
So you'll ignore it? I can't engage with all the points, I have other shit to do. We could be going in the weeds for eternity. I picked out the meta ones that allow me to explain why your underlying classical liberal framework is wrong and why it's incompatible with Christianity.
You just copied your previous reply, dude.
Dude, I can't keep up with the long replies so I will go short.
Yup, monopoly on info. And guess what, they are EXCLUDING (think, censoring) contrary viewpoints. You are literally STEEL-MANNING my case. It's not even 8 replies between us in this specific reply chain, yet your ideas are already being torn in the Marketplace.
I'm steel-manning your position about better ideas getting on top by pointing out people are easily deceived by propaganda and disinfo which are used to promote bad ideas? Does that make sense to you?
You fail to take into account that there are evil secret elite with great power (in multiple sense of the word) & $ intentionally unfairly rigging the scales.
But wait, I thought there was a free market of ideas? Now suddenly it's not so free?
Idea: If you wanna remove a bad thing, have a vote. So people can vote on if it is actually bad or not.
Look how that's working for you. I can't believe a self-proclaimed Christian can look around the western world today and say it's better than 50,100,200, etc years ago.
Again, have individuals argue them to belief in Christianity.
You're out of touch with reality, dude. 99% of people don't care about arguments for Christianity or any other thing. Do you know why? Because people today are not rational beings and are susceptible to biases, weak-mindedness, deception and psychological manipulation since Satan deceived Eve in the garden.
People are literally arguing over the number of genders, if men can become women, if homos can get married, if human babies should be killed in the womb and you consider that a win? Just 60 years ago those debates were unthinkable by anyone in their right mind. "Just debate, bro". You may want to check what the Overton window is.
Your free speech and debating are digging us deeper and deeper. But hey, never mind the ever increasing insanity, degeneracy and godlesness - at least we're not censoring people and we're letting majority decide how society is ran (imagine believing this) - I'm sure God will be pleased with that. It's not like He decimated entire nations for much less than what we're committing as a society daily.
Still, that doesn't change the fact that Monarchy/Christianity itself is an engineered power structure with a specific goal to rule over the masses.
This is your interpretation because you're not a Christian. But if the Christian worldview is correct this would not be the case. I think I laid out how Christianity views government and authority well enough. You may not agree with this worldview but I'm not granting you yours (which is influenced by enlightenment and marxist ideas) as the self-evident or default interpretation either.
In short, it worked. And that is precisely why rulers went with it. If it wouldn't work I can assure you that not me nor you would have even heard of such things as Christianity or the Bible.
Again, you're leaning on your presupposition that Christianity is false and go for a pragmatic explanation. But I'd say "it worked" because it is good in the eyes of God and it mirrors the monarchy of the Father in the Trinity and the natural hierarchy of all things.
This argument sounds to me like gay "scholars" explaining away why heterosexual sex is the norm in society by arguing that it's just a social construct that happened to work historically, instead of facing the truth that it worked because of our biology and design and it has nothing to do with manmade constructs.
Similarly to you idealising Middle Age feodalism, you seem to conflate Monarchy/Christianity with natural order of things. In my opinion it is not quite so. If we really want to look at natural order we should probably turn to paganism... or even hunter-gatherer societies for that matter. Why specifically Christianity/Monarchy with all it's institutions, churches, priests and whatnot? Have you read Old Testament? It is about the jews, by the jews and for the jews. It is thoroughly jewish. It's full of atrocities and quite frankly a bit terrfiying read. New Testament takes a step back from all that and is much more coherent and personal, something one could actually get behind to... Still, I don't know... All those Abrahamic religions seem a bit like a can of worms, honestly... Real belief in God should probably not be institutionalised and/or politicised.
Because Christianity offers a coherent, logically consistent, historically attested and holistic worldview that can ground logic, morality and metaphysics as a whole. No other worldview can give you that. I've searched a lot in my time and was a staunch atheist for many years, reading lots of philosophy, especially by authors who critiqued Christianity (it's funny they always go against the Truth and have no axe to grind with other religions).
I always hear complaining about the Bible's supposed "atrocities" from people who can't even give an account for what's objectively good or bad from their worldview. How do you have knowledge of what's moral so that you can judge things, like God killing off everyone safe for one family because everyone was wicked, to be immoral? It always boils down to personal preferences but that's not objective at all. It's like telling me you like vanilla ice cream better than chocolate. Cool, so what?
Which the Govt could label as anything that stops their agenda. Without BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY, you know the govt will always levy it unfavorably and use false labels. Humans are sinful by nature, so censorship will ALWAYS, ALWAYS favor the elite Govt over the regular poor Citizen.
Exactly. This is why I favor a government that is informed by and consistent with Christian morality.
We have seen the fruits of censorship,
You have seen the fruits of censorship in the hands of antichristian dehumanizing regimes. What you're saying is "I've seen a guy murdering in cold blood, therefore guns are bad". Censorship is a weapon and a tool. If it is in the right hands (a Christian state) it will be used righteously and justly.
and the fruits of free speech, and the latter has borne superior fruit in the end.
What are they exactly? Are you happy with the way things are in the places where free speech thrived the most?
Mabye do that country by county. Let the counties decide.
So majority decides what's morally right now? I thought the Bible was your moral authority?
If this happens then bystanders can step in.
Imagine a Brave New World society where this is normalized and nobody minds public indecency. We're certainly getting there. But that's not what I asked - I asked should it be allowed or should it be made illegal even if the majority was ok with it?
You're cooked because you believe in the enlightenment myth of the free market of ideas where the better ideas win on their own merit, which assumes people and societies are ultimately rational and well informed. This is in stark contradiction with everything we know about social engineering and brainwashing of the masses through government, media, education, substances and various forms of mind control techniques. They can make people buy the most ridiculous narrative and have them ready to put their life on the line for it.
I can easily disprove you by pointing out that we wouldn't be living in a world where we have extremely bad ideas underpinning our current world order if there was such a thing as self-regulating "idea capitalism". What you said is not only normietalk, it's a core boomer belief. It's not even true in the realm of consumer products where marketing (PR/propaganda) above all determines if a product is successful. I hope you reconsider this regurgitated belief now that you have heard how unreasonable it is. There was a time I probably said it too without even realizing where it came from. This is what true indoctrination looks like.
Trick question - never let your kids in public school. Teach them the Bible, logic, reason, morals debate, etc. Arm 'em up!
So basically let society burn - everyone save themselves on their own? Wouldn't you prefer a society where public education served the interest of the people in creating truly educated and morally upstanding individuals? Don't you realize you don't live alone on an island and other people's beliefs and actions affect you because that determines where society goes, and this is exactly why you should care what is being taught in public schools? So the question still stands: are you fine with them teaching kids (even if they're not yours) to be troons?
Don't need to love Big Daddy Govt to be against degenism.
Indeed, but you do have to support some level of censorship and be willing to impose decency laws.
Only when it suits their Current Thing. Lefty youtube censored anti-vax stuff. They normally censor pro Right Wing views and try to "SHUT IT DOWN!!" Lefty censorship is well documented.
By censorship I don't mean just suppression of information. I mean limiting behaviors and public propagation of ideas that are morally wrong and detrimental to society. This includes banning pride parades and drag queen story hour which also fall under freedom of speech and expression category. In general all criminalization of indecent behavior is censorship.
So should people be allowed to be fucking on the streets?
Did I say they will stop at that? All I said was I'm not defending degeneracy on purely moral grounds no matter the context. You can hold false freemasonic idols ("muh free speech") above the living God all you want and you will be judged for that.
The funny thing is leftist anti-christians appeal to the same freemasonic principles you do and they are more consistent with their beliefs because they don't pretend to follow God's moral law but a human-centric system. Almost as if the whole left-right paradigm is a false dialectic to begin with.
Come on. Bad ideas will naturally be obliterated in the marketplace of ideas
You're cooked if you truly believe that in 2025. This is blue pilled normietalk that has nothing to do with history and current reality. Hope you're being tongue in cheek.
If you're against all censorship I guess you have nothing against teachers grooming children at school with troons ideology?
Just demon possessed pawn of Satan. Not reptilian, not alien, not Nephilim. They are human, all too human.
In theory, yes, but I'm not sure it has ever been the case. Most probably it has always been like it is now. It's just that they could no longer sell fairytale about hereditary rulership to the public, so they came up with this thing called democracy.
Democracy was well known since Ancient Greece. Plato wrote about the various forms of government and noted democracy to be one of the least desirable (compared to republic and aristocracy). Saying it has always been like this and there is no real change on a very deep level is naive and symptomatic of a modern cynicism driven by ignorance and false historical narratives - it is a cope. I'd say we are at the lowest point of out European civilization for the past 2000 years and nearing the end of it really (as historians like Oswald Spengler famously predicted in Decline of the West).
It's a very complex subject, but the historical fact of the matter is that there was a paradigm shift around the Enlightenment revolutionary period (17-18-19c) that led to the collapse of the Old world and of traditional institutions and society. For thousands of years it made sense to people that the world followed a divinely ordained hierarchy (patriarchy) and everyone had a firm place in it. It was a top-down hierarchy with God at the top, and under Him was the priest class of the Church and the king with his aristocracy. Since our ancestors lived in Christian states and were Christians themselves, they strongly believed that monarchs got their mandate to rule by God Himself (as shown in the Bible). Monarchs had a duty to serve their people and the people had a duty to serve their rulers. This was not viewed as a power dialectic resulting in oppression (a jewish concept btw), but as a chain of command where all parties did their part towards a common goal (the Greek called it symphonia). It was evident for everyone that power came from above (top-down), and not from below (bottom-up).
Now talmudic jews were always unimpressed with this and came up with ideas that challenged the natural order and hierarchy. Their main project came to be known as communism, but they also made offshoots to cover more ground/minds - anarchy, democracy, liberalism, socialism, etc. They realized that the only way to destroy the old world was through violent revolutions aided by massive propaganda at the top levels of academia and culture which they managed to infiltrate through secret societies (really spy networks) and financial prowess (usury). They weaponized all kinds of degenerate ideas to subvert the existing hierarchy and people's faith in it - atheism, materialism, feminism, individualism, freemasonry, marxism, free global market, drug trafficking, degradation of culture and art, sexual immorality and deviancy (later called sexual revolution), darwinism, freudism, etc.
So no, it is not that the rulers of the old world could no longer sell their worldview to the people and the "enlightened masses" out of their own free will got to arms and liberated themselves from the tyranny of superstition and slavery. That's how the (((liberal))) history propaganda goes about what took place. What happened was that some people got brainwashed by jewed up masonic ideas of "liberty, equality, fraternity" and took part in the jewish revolutions that successfully established a new era of humanity - our beloved NWO.
Basically, very short version is that humanity has to get rid of superstitious belief in this thing called authority. Any authority. The problem is not that the government is bad or that politians are bad, or that the form of government is not the right one. The problem is that it exists at all and that masses believe in it.
So anarchy. Authority follows logically from the existence of hierarchy and power. The world you're describing doesn't exist and can't exist - it is logically impossible unless people somehow live completely alienated from one another, kinda in their own metaverse.
That's a false equivalence. Weapons are tools and as such are neither good or bad inherently. It's all about how they're being used. Coming from a Christian perspective, it's easy to see degeneracy is inherently bad. It shouldn't be tolerated in society to begin with but you see it as a "freedom" because you've been desensitized to it as it became widespread. In reality, it's the opposite of freedom - sin enslaves you and is death.
Sadly, the US is premised on a false revolutionary liberal dialectic of a struggle between the state and the individual, between the public and the private. This makes it fertile ground for individuals demanding rights and liberties that ultimately destroy them, because people are easily manipulated and deceived. The function of a strong state (a monarchy) is to protect against all kind of enemies and to take care of the spiritual and physical prospering of the people. This is why jews historically promote revolution and democracy against monarchical states - they know a good monarch serves as a buffer between their power (banks, "free trade" and media) and the people. Democracy on the other hand is easy to manipulate via their powers.
Of course they don't really care for democracy or equality, they use it as a chess piece to further their agenda. Once society is weakened through liberalism and degeneracy, they get more open about their project and show the true face of their regime, which is authoritarian (1984 and any totalitarian communist regime). We're at that stage now.
Christians
You mean Christian zionists. Those denominations were set up by jews. Christianity and Judaism don't mix.
Will you stop spamming this, dude? We get it, you don't have to make 10 posts a day about the same shit. Hit me up when they go after something worthwhile and not porn and degenerate adult games and I promise I will clutch pearls along with you.
Nope, here I disagree completely and absolutely! It is very important who exactly said proposal comes from. In a sense you could say that ad hominem is completely justified in this case.
So a thing can't be true because WEF says it? That's a logical fallacy. We're not talking about their intentions but about the truthfulness of the proposition made. In this case "porn is bad for society and should be highly restricted" is a true proposition, no ifs or buts. Its truth value is independent of the person saying it and it will be true even if a gooner or the owner of OF said it.
The issue of the technocratic elite tightening their regime and using authoritarian measures to do it is distinct from it, or at least my point was they can be viewed separately. Both radical leftist and "based" right populist policies can be used to move their agenda. Case in point - D.J. Trump and Elon.
It makes perfect sense they will start restricting the internet under the auspice of "defending children" from harmful content. This is the best strategy because they know everyone can get behind this, especially right-minded people who are currently more wary of censorship and government overreach in their lives. They want to get to China level restriction ideally and they're playing the long game. So as you can see, while I acknowledge their intentions, that in no way changes the fact that porn is bad and should be restricted on pure principle, even if Satan himself is enforcing the restriction.
You are an ESSENCE. Break free.
I'm 100% this broad has no idea what she's saying and has zero knowledge of philosophy and metaphysics. It's just meaningless new age prattle that sounds deep and liberating. You can tell when someone hasn't red a serious book in their life.
Essence is an impersonal abstraction/Platonic idea. Human nature is our essence but nobody is "human nature" itself. We're always experiencing essence through individual persons that embody it and make it concrete.
You're not just a number.
Literally nobody thinks that. What a stupid reductio strawman.
Exactly. They know it's a freemasonic secular celebration designed to substitute religious holidays and condition people into believing the world revolves around them (relativism and individualism). The easiest way to control people is through flattery and appealing to their vanity. This is common fucking sense, but conspiratards like the guy in the video will cook up some new agey bs about vibes and incantations instead of applying it.
So let me get this straight - the purpose of the birthday ritual is to make everyone identify as being of certain age and act in ways that society has determined acceptable?
What about the thousands years of history and non-western cultures where people didn't celebrate birthdays and yet were supposed to act their age? What if aging and maturity is not just numbers you identify with but a natural process that reflects the objective reality of our human nature? Nah, they just want to limit you and make you fit their socially constructed mould, man. Not being a permanent adolescent means you've been programmed.
This dude took a couple of shrooms and thought he figured it all out. This is what the majority of conspiratards are like. "They want to control you, man. It's all fake." (meanwhile the guy goes to SRI/Tavistock ran new age festivals like Burning Man where he takes MK-Ultra mind-altering substances that destroy his identity and reasoning faculty but thinks he escaped the matrix...)
My take is that birthdays have been so heavily emphasized in our society because they promote individualism, consumerism and self-worship feeding into vices like vanity, greed and pride ("It's all about me - this is the biggest celebration of all. Today I am God, but tomorrow it's your turn"). But that's too reasonable an explanation for the guy with the threads.
PS: I'm a music major, and there's no such a thing as a "slightly minor key". Happy birthday is in a major key consisting solely of the tonic, subdominant and dominant major chords.
Basically, all we need to do is ask ourselves a simple question: does it [insert any proposal, policy, rule or even daily habit here] serves my freedom as an individual or does it suppresses it? Answer to this question usually is all you need to determine whether it is worth supporting something or not.
If you place personal liberty above everything, then you have to grant it to everyone else. So you couldn't really have any qualms against lgbt, abortion, usury, OF, feminism, grooming of children and other forms of degeneracy that ultimately destroy society. It's radical liberalism and exactly what the jews push on western society to get it ready for the 1984-style final revolution.
My point was censorship is not bad on principle and we ought to suppress certain ideas and behaviors in society. So in general I'm all for decency laws and fighting degeneracy and that trumps any personal "freedom" there might be.
The thing is, when an agent with bad intentions does something that is right, that thing is objectively right regardless of the moral character of the agent doing it. Saying otherwise would be similar to an ad hominem fallacy.
Yes, I know their agenda. TPTB see every policy as a means to an end. They may support lgbt, free speech and free market in one instance and then do a 180 turn and go against them if they don't serve their goals anymore. It's all part of the grand chessboard and playing the dialectical sides to get to a desirable synthesis. They are above politics and ideologies - all they care about is power. Of course I know they don't do this because they're concerned with the wellbeing of society and are somehow based all of a sudden.
No, by "evil is uncreated" I meant it doesn't have ontological exitance because God created everything and it was all good. The Church fathers explain evil as the privation of the good, similar to how darkness is the absence of light. Evil and death entered the world as a result of the fall of Adam. God the Son assumed human nature (becoming the second Adam) and healed it by defeating death itself (resurrection and harrowing of hades), giving us the path to salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
The enemy can't create. Satan and his demons are mere created angels and have no real power because all power comes from God. God created man to be above the angels. This is why Satan got envious and went after man in the first place. All the enemy has is lies but as we can see, lies go a long way in this fallen world.