Reality not being static is predicated on choice. If there are no choices being made, you are just an automaton following your (static) programming. Do you think chatGPT measures a statements “truth” before it presents an answer to a query you pose it? Of course not. For “truth” to exist, so must “untruth”. Growth is only possible in the face of death. If old things never died, new things would never grow.
What are your thoughts vis a vis the southpark clip? Do you disagree with the notion it expresses?
Free will is about how aligned one is to the fabric of reality. Aligning oneself to the truth. Not about the capacity to choose two or multiple different pathways.
Except, if you aren’t free to choose between “truth” and “untruth”, then “truth” just about ceases to have meaning. “Reality” becomes a static painting, forever unchanging. You become an automaton. Pretty certain God kickstarted existence as we know it precisely because of how pointless such stasis is.
Well, thats the trap it presents right?
Is it really a trap when they tell you it’s a trap? Isn’t that just a warning at that point?
Like I said to swamp, the reactionary reaction is all but expected on this topic! It’s the easy way out of challenging one’s preconceived notions, and we are nothing if not creatures of comfort.
Sure, but also because the Bible calls satan “the god of this world.” (2 cor 4:4)
Im basically saying “don’t let the author’s word choice (and moreso your reaction to his word choice) overpower/overly taint your ability to understand what is actually being said.” God (as you know Him) still exists, just with the label “Infinite Intelligence” in these pieces
Replace every instance of “yahweh” in the Hidden Hand interview with “satan”, then wait until you’ve actually read it to start formulating responses to the claims. Should help with getting through it.
Or start with the Law of One and see it from the “other perspective” first.
As I said, reading the summaries is counter-productive, way too much context is removed
I just remember it saying evil is merely a "catalyst, a service, a contrast" which never sat well with me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOM6hOnEBE
I see that line of thought from the perspective shared in this short video
I guess that is the nature of the negative path.
That’s why I recommended reading it in conjunction with the Law of One - there are two sides to the coin called “existence”, where it is made clear that ultimately the path of service to self is a dead end, but a necessary one to allow the foundation of existence, free will
Some videos of the most convincing chi practitioners I’ve ever seen:
John Chang, Mo Pai master - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYM0vNufwc
American student of Chang’s - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foGu13REF7o
Russian “Pyrokinesis” - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DYTJndCpdFo
Iron Body Kung fu - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvrID6ZlQnA
That’s literally what their entire religion of talmudism is
See:
Eruvs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv
Sabbath Ovens - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode
Shiksas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiksa
Shabbat Elevators - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat_elevator
And their absolute favorite, Shabbos Goys - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy
Everyberg. Singlestein. Timeowitz.
Schneerson
Lol
Getting retards to call everything a.i. has to have been the real psy-op all along, it’s worked so ridiculously well.
Regarding this video, the claim seems to be equally schitzo and baseless
It’s funny how you flit between “the science on the rocks under our feet can’t be trusted!” and “let’s spin our wheels on black holes!”
I don’t want to start doing the thing where I have to copy and paste each sentence and respond to it with a one liner, so hopefully at some point in the next couple weeks you just give the actual texts an honest chance, holding back your judgements as much as humanly possible until you’re done reading, and then you’ll surely be inspired to write something from the standpoint of outreach and understanding rather than sterile “debunking”. For example your tact here:
I read the summaries I quoted. The "harvest" theory says clearly if you don't choose then you can stay in your "third density" reincarnating indefinitely.
In no place does the concept of “indefinitely” appear in the actual text.
Looking forward to that life-affirming, non-sterile approach
Thanks for admitting your own bias.
In as much as cognizance of history instills bias, okay, I guess. I mean, it’d be foolish to pretend “Holy Wars”, “martyrdom”, and “Sicarii” are modern inventions.
My point is that I'd rather partake whole meals than extricate what is negligible from a raft of poison that has killed others. See what you think of my initial statement.
Ironic considering the abrahamic faiths have caused literally billions of deaths, many of innocents and particularly of gnostics. Your initial statement strikes me much the same as every other time I’ve shared these links and you respond to what they think they say (filtered through your lifetime of cognitive biases) instead of what they actually say, after you briefly skim the summaries that i tell you to skip.
Invention of "densities" and of billions of years is gnostic: irrational appeal to gnosis that may be true or false.
Bro, you don’t get the call the scientific consensus “irrational” nor an “appeal to gnosis”. Your young earth creationism is far more of an “appeal to secret knowledge”, considering all the holes in the story.
Claims of "trying" to speak in Egypt "with mixed results" also cast doubt, indicating the speaker's professed inabilities.
It’s called “free will of choice” bro, unless you look at Jesus on the cross and think to yourself “golly, that guy sure was inept! He couldn’t even convince those jews to pick his life over the life of a convicted murderer and thief!”
Christianity teaches unity in diversity, not unity free from polarity.
What is the polarity of Light again? Oh…non-polar you say? And all the matter in the universe is made of slowly vibrating light? Wow, you don’t say…
You give a big list of what “Christianity teaches” in an attempt to contrast it with the linked sources - I’d suggest you take a step back and understand those are simply lessons you’ve learned from other people.
Your points clearly indicate you didn’t read the links either. For example you say:
Denial of a day of judgment
Uhhh, buddy, are we reading the same thing? The Capital H “Harvest” is one of the key points of the text. So it explains your little “Day of Judgement” far more wholistically than even you can, yet you frame it as “denial”. Odd…
Based Simpsons reference!
You’re the one setting the table, remember
I will admittedly be approaching this subject with a bias. Anything that expressly comes from channeling or a self-proclaimed world-controller is suspect from the start because it only stands or falls on its accuracy and not on claims of its power due to its allegedly extraordinary source.
Fair enough, that’s practically expected given the sources - I’d be surprised if anyone’s first reaction was something other than “channeling/illuminati? that sounds wetarded!” Or “im supposed to believe an ”evil person” is telling the truth?”. The whole reason I suggest the people here skip the summaries and just read the actual texts is so that they can augment their first reaction with their second, third, fourth, and so-on reactions. You of all people will know how easy it is to take one or two sentences of a work out of context to twist them into anything imaginable, im sure, as a mod of c/Christianity
My bias is likely to conclude that the material is composed essentially of a mix of trivialities and lies. … I'm still not likely to give something self-identifying as "Ra" material a totally equal place at the table yet.
Im just saying, wait until you’ve read as much as you can physically manage before setting that table! lol - something something angels unawares something something
Hah, glad this squeaked past the line at the last minute. Like I said in the nomination thread, the “framework of existence” that these two “writings” (for lack of a better word, lol) present is the most wholistic, coherent, understandable “framework” I’ve ever come across. They deepened my understanding and appreciation of the Bible, but also…everything else. Art. Strife. “Spirituality”. Struggle. Love. Literally existence itself and all that encompasses is enriched, imo, if you really give these links a shot
They’re long reads! I admit it! But they're worth it. The Hidden Hand link offers two shorter “summary” versions, but I recommend skipping them and just reading the thread as it is, warts and all (it was, after all, basically an AMA between an illuminati member and r/Conspiracy lmao). And it looks a lot longer than it really is, since the format of a forum back and forth has a lot of extraneous text. Regarding the Ra Material/Law of One, just read as far as you can manage, I don’t expect anyone to read every word on that website lol, but atleast the first 20 or so “sessions” should start to give you an idea of that “framework” i was talking about.
Im a big believer in the idea that synchronicities are how God/the universal consciousness communicates with us temporally bound critters
These two reads gave me a far deeper appreciation for, and understanding of, the Bible than I had before - while also provoking me to look deeper into it, especially the “hard to understand” parts.
Edit) also, yeah, that was a good idea to make these last longer. Especially in this case, both are relatively long reads, so even people who want to contribute will take a while to, probably.
The worldview expressed in the Law of One/“Ra Material” and the Hidden Hand interview
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other. One is a “channeled” work, and the other is a long series of Questions and Answers between a conspiracy forum (RiP ATS) and a self-proclaimed world-controller. I see them as complimentary, showing a deeper reality by showing two sides of the same coin. One side being that of Service-to-Others, and the other being Service-to-Self
Now I could uncharitably adopt your view that all Jews believe hateful things about Jesus
I didn’t even say that. I said their religion is a rejection of Jesus.
For a significant segment it may be the most consulted book, which is a travesty
Glad we can agree on that. I’d even say that “significant segment” is synonymous with “religious jewry”. I don’t see anyone representing “Judaism” who actually places the Torah above the Talmud. Have you ever? (To turn your rhetorical “get out of jail free card” against yourself.)
The "Oral Torah" is not the Talmud because the Talmud is written
You can’t trick me with pilpul you dirty gypsy. When a jew refers to “oral Torah” hes a fucking ignorant lier, because nothing about it is passed down orally, and that’s been the case since 500ad. It’s all written in their stupid fucking book.
Well, Talmudic Semites uphold every letter of the OT
Don’t make me start calling you a lying kike bro, I don’t enjoy it.
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/1ARdRJJMpF/an-orthodox-jew-and-a-messianic-/c/4eZBKaQDGuf
“The Torah (OT) is nothing without the Talmud”
And just to pre-empt you, here it is straight from the rabbis mouth
"the written Torah 1:16 without the oral Torah we cannot do 1:18 anything"
>To the degree that Talmudism rejects the Torah Judaism of Messianics
That “degree” is 100%. Fuck off with that same old diatribe. The monolithic rejection is their holy book saying (in a dozen places and contexts no less) hes an idolatrous sorcerer burning in hell for his sins.
Inb4”itsNOTtheirHolyBook”
Yes it is bitch.
Edit) can’t let this go unreplied to:
> They are still pre-Christian, unlike most other nations being evangelized.
What a load of horse shit. If anything, they’re one of the few “post-Christian” religions/societies on earth. They literally re-formed themselves in opposition to Christianity
That isn’t even what I’m saying. Im saying the people called “jews” today have no spiritual connection to the “jews” of the Bible. Or atleast, a less than or equal to connection compared with the Muslims of today.
The people you call jews are more accurately called Talmudists.
Talmudism was a rejection of true Judaism.
Thus they are rejected by their Father. According to your own logic.
Not at all. "Children of Abraham" always had the dual meaning. If it hadn't, then Ishmaelites and Midianites would be children of Abraham in every sense, but they were not accounted as his children because they didn't have the faith of Abraham. If you don't do what your father does, everyone knew your father dismisses you as a child.
Jesus said the Jews aren’t “children of Abraham” anymore.
You keep saying this, but it's you that are adding to the text and twisting the words.
Hypocrite. If Muslims aren’t children of Abraham today then neither are jews.
Almost like it’s some type of catalyst for growth! And a pre-requisite for growth at that! (Note: someone had to break Butters’ heart to catalyze that growth he experienced). Just as every story needs an antagonist and every achievement requires struggle, I can’t imagine the world where we get all the benefits of “growth” with none of the negatives (e.g. sadness, heartbreak, death, etc.)
Think of the Garden - was existence before the fall more or less static than it is today? Was there more, or less, capacity for growth?
Honestly I agree with most of your takes in isolation, but at the same time I see them re-affirming the content of HH/LoO, while you clearly understand them as doing the opposite, which is interesting