EMP is our salvation?
They're going for control of all the resources on the planet, and beyond. This is why the Fed was created in 1913, and what its relationship to our US Treasury dictates (only within US jurisdiction)
They came out from behind the shadows in late 2019. They don't care about being exposed. They must be killed. Every last one.
There is no political solution. Killing all tyrants is the only way. Our founding documents plainly place this duty and privilege on our shoulders.
Maybe already low on artillery ammo. Will deplete their stockpiles this year.
We need a file of everything they try to memory hole.
Biodiesel would be good. Biologically produced hydrogen, too.
Mmm, brains
With this particular iteration of AI I don't know. I know that they've had a track record of developing racial prejudice and also conservative values, and they have to be trained specifically to avoid that.
Also somebody else says some people are keeping DAN accessible, which sounds like it must be open sourced but I don't know any of these details.
I do hope that we have good people fighting on this front!
You're looking solely at content. That's never been stated as the problem. Instead, the problem is how many subverters thrive in this topic as kookifiers, not at all genuinely wanting to understand anything, only wanting to discredit the whole .win and maybe the whole platform if they can. Separately, those here sincerely have fallen into the habit of condescension and insult rather than productive discussion.
Those are the problems. How do we fix that?
One possibility is that due to a mod raising this topic everybody takes a step back, becomes more civil, and engages information better. I'd love to see it! Another possibility is discussion of the topic moves to one post, at least for a while. How much new information continually comes out? If everybody added their best stuff there'd be what, 100 comments? That post might get outgrown after a while, but organizing the info like that would help everything, wouldn't it?
Another possibility is those interested in discussing the topic go to c/FlatEarthResearch for a while, and see what the mod there is about. I think he's a good guy. And he doesn't want the topic banned here even if it resulted in more traffic to his .win.
At the risk of tackling too much in one comment:
hiding potential falsehoods which impact our fundamental understanding of physics implies conspiracy on a completely different scale.
Big topic. Such as? Space isn't real, Galileo is wrong, or what? Several here have pointed out this conspiracy would have to include not only every current government, but math for thousands of years. Seems like a very small niche willing to ponder that.
Yup, tallSkillet has said he doesn't care if his input destroys the whole platform. Quite an attitude!
I agree the topic of FE is innocent of itself. And I can't speak to this community's recent behavior. I know that FE has brought out the worst of people on both sides and encroached on everything, that's the history. I imagine it hasn't gotten better given a mod raised the issue.
Seems easy to have one post, and whoever wants can discuss it there. That way people who have no interest in discussing it have that choice.
Or, in the long established .win expressly for this topic and with a great mod, for those interested in the topic to become better informed and more skilled at discussing it, then come back here and maybe productive discussion can be had. I don't see why that would be a bad idea?
Yup. You may be aware that the handshake icon was first introduced so people would give a friendly welcome to newcomers. This isn't the only .win where it has the opposite effect ...
That's an interesting idea! Further, a new(ish) account could be given a limitation on creating posts that's "free," after which it costs them fake internet points. (Which aren't so fake if you lose status to post, go back to being a handshake, etc)
I like this idea because it gives people choice and freedom :)
I have no idea if it's possible with the software this site runs on, or if mods can create that on one .win without changing everything across the whole platform. Theoretically, posts could be handled separately from comments, and there might be some rationale for that.
This could make modding it less tedious ...
I was here on day 1 .win went public. That's long before this .win got here. I know the history.
I also understand modding a small .win solo, having done it long past the point of burnout.
You are apparently unaware of the existence of admin, and how they compare to mods. That would mean you're also unaware of how to ask admin for help:
Are mod logs public?
What happens when you appeal mod action via modmail? That tool has the advantage that the whole mod board can see it if they so choose.
Those things matter, and could be appealed to admin with no further problems if out of whack. I'd only suggest staying far away from 'boy that cried wolf' status.
In this issue, which the voting is over and settled 44-61, the problem is nobody discusses the topic in good faith. On either side. Conversation is neither informative, interesting, nor civil. It's just monkeys flinging poo, and invading everything. True, that may not be recent as I haven't been back since, but that's the history.
Question: if those interested in the topic discussed it in an existing .win just for this one issue, where the head mod is knowledgeable, passionate, and skilled at getting emotional people to look at facts; if everybody here took time to get better informed and more skillful at discussing this topic and then brought it back here, why would that be a bad thing?
Damn you're a stupid faggot shill.
Sure .win saw everything that happened at the reddit subs
You really do NOT understand. .win was created by the mods of r/The Donald. .win didn't just "see" what happened, it was created because of it. And brought other communities here intact, as a haven.
I don't know the order of which subs were harassed on Reddit nor which groups sought refuge here, but TD was first and c/Conspiracies was early here.
What you're suggesting is comparable to the survivors of the holodomor welcoming communist rule by USSR. That's so far removed from reality that almost 100 years later their descendants are fighting against impossible odds even though the USSR no longer exists and isn't communist. Except here you're talking about less than a 5 year time span. Yes NPCs have the memory of a goldfish, we do not. And that's why keeping the signal to noise ratio reasonable is important. Same with basic civility.
And this claim that it wont happen to .win, while it is happening is a bit much - no?
No. It's not happening.
The exact same argument was used to purge all the right leaning people from r/politics on reddit, and then from r/libertarian, and all the others. Respectfully, you are completely ignoring history.
Not comparable at all. This has nothing to do with the type of ideology you're looking at, only keeping the peace. Anyone interested in FE could (hypothetically, because the proposed change isn't happening) discuss FE to their heart's content. It'd also be good for those individuals because that head mod is sincere, knowledgeable, and passionate about the subject. He's also great at staying calm, and redirecting irate people towards facts and away from emotions. The predictable result is those people discussing it there would become more able to have quality discussions. That hasn't happened here, quite the opposite.
Btw those interested in FE as a topic could still do this. If they came back here better informed and more skilled at having decent discussions it'd help everyone.
Why do you think that would be a bad thing?
If censorship had any application in this situation you'd be right - but it doesn't.
You're saying there's only one way to find truth. If you don't like that being called gate keeping what would you call it? It's bs either way. And no there isn't always more noise than signal, a mod's job is to make sure of that. Memes and other jokes are a welcome preserver of sanity, not noise.
Mods just don't want to have to constantly clean up the same pile of shit. You previously compared it to a popularity contest, that comparison fails. Traffic is a valid metric. The creators have worked tirelessly and thanklessly for no pay since at least the first quarter of 2020, maybe longer. They have plainly stated they need to generate some revenue this year. I'm not suggesting this topic was handed down by admin, but the proposed change would have helped towards that goal. Your stated ideas and values will either go the way of the dodo bird, or the platform as a whole will. Something's going to have to change because there being more noise than signal and constant verbal abuse over an issue people aren't interested in resolving (FE) will prevent revenue from being generated.
Btw admin doesn't even need a lot of money, this platform runs in a shoestring. I've brought up the idea of classified ads because there's an incredible talent pool across .win, plus the desire to create a parallel economy and society. This could be a win win but hasn't gained traction. It might produce a substantial fraction of the needed revenue. And it could easily be confined to its own .win so we're not all bombarded by ads.
.win was created precisely because they CAN see it. And will make sure it doesn't happen here. Admin / devs / owners (all the same people) cannot and will not micro-manage every little action by mods, but if they see anybody doing what you (collectively) fear they will squash that with a vengeance.
Mods are given a certain amount of latitude to run their own communities. Hypothetically, moving one topic that's always problematic to another .win purpose built just for that one topic would be well within what admin allows. Turning that into one topic after another being disallowed (exactly what you fear, both personally and collectively) would be EXACTLY what admin is adamant about not allowing: "reddit style power mods," in their own words. Of course fixing that would not be automatic or immediate, mods would have to see it first. c/Meta exists partially for just such a purpose, to bring it to admin attention.
There's some history with exactly this, too. OmegaCanada.win is a standalone site, on this network. One mod bought it. He has ruined it. This is out of admin's control because of ownership issues. Several other .wins were created for Canada; not being Canadian Idk how that went but not as well as hoped. All this went south before admin tightened up ownership and what they delegate.
IP2 has always been a problematic community here. They chew up more resources than anyone else. They describe themselves as being drunk 14 year old boys. In one of their many episodes of drama they were given free reign over c/General, originally created as a catchall for topics that don't fit anywhere else. That was designed to be temporary until they got over whatever their hissy fit was. c/General has never returned to its previous function, everyone abandoned it
Again, this experience makes admin both wary and resolved not to let "reddit style power mods" ruin things. There's lots admin has stated they won't do, but this is the main thing they'll clamp down on.
What this means is your Chomsky quote simply doesn't apply. Whether FE is discussed here or on c/FlatEarthResearch doesn't matter in terms of censorship. In either case it's here and can be freely discussed. Same login, no issues with access. And that .win was created long ago, this isn't some conspiracy to funnel people. FE has just historically devolved into monkeys flinging poo in this .win, making productive discussion all but impossible.
Hopefully the recent attention will get people to reconsider, and only a few will stubbornly remain juveniles and can be weeded out, but that's a constant drain on mod resources since anyone can just create alts to evade bans.
People voted on the false precept of free speech vs censorship instead of content. Nobody wants to resort to banning anything, but so far this has been an ongoing problem. And to be clear, both sides have resorted to basically "is too, is not, you're just a doodoo head" spilling over everywhere.
The best solution is for people simply not to stoop so low.
Then again so is a lamp post. (Maybe a little exaggeration there, but only a little)
I have no idea if he's Jewish. You obviously don't care and label anyone who disagrees with you a Jew, no different from antifa labelling anyone who disagrees with them a nazi.
That you aren't tired of your own stupidity is the marvel here.
You have 0 basis for your claim but I'll give you credit, you finally made a comment without using the word khazarian! Lol
That would mean Jews invented all the math of the ancients. You never stop to think.
Without regard to content, yes.
Those "truth seekers" who cant be bothered to sift through the noise to get to the signal - aren't ready for the journey yet
That's textbook gatekeeping. Other paths to truth exist that don't involve turning the signal to noise ratio as low as possible.
Lack of investment in hydrogen is something I've been calling out. Heavy investment in EV is ridiculous, except as a prototype. You can buy a hydrogen car now. The "goal" is for there to be 200 filling stations for it in CA by 2030. In scare quotes because that's an excuse, not a goal.
You are exactly right. More specifically, they plan on controlling all resources by as few as possible living like Kings with the rest of us as serfs or dead. The remaining component of feudalism is knights; the enforcers will have a greater technological advantage partly because we will be deprived. Further, they plan on reverting N America to wilderness.
Some people say the right will never use 2A for anything besides defense; such complacency is only because they do not understand the severity of the situation.