Must've been some pretty good lulz then if they managed to get an entire region of people to start speaking that made-up language and pass it down to their kids, huh?
It was whole Soviet program of "ukrainization" with forceful study of "Ukrainian language" in schools as main one. But even today when you could be punished for speaking Russian in public, most Ukraine citizens speak Russian inside families and friends. Just watch any ukrainian videos on social. Every time, in case of real danger or fear, or anger or any strong emotion, all that "Ukrainians" always fall to plain Russian.
You also will not find a single "Ukrainian" who spoke modern official textbook "Ukrainian language" fluently. Because it never was native to anybody.
"Ukrainian language" was created by bored Russian aristocrat Kotlarevsky in 1798 in his "Eneide" humorous interpretation, burlesque, that used local malorussian dialect and made up words to make more fun. At the end of poem he attached humorous "dictionaly of Ukrainska mova". It was the first time when "Ukrainska mova" was ever mentioned. For the lulz, literally.
Later, after creation of Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic as part of USSR in 1922, "Ukrainian language" creation started in full, under the bolshevik program of "ukrainisation". But the creators forget, or just was ignorant that languages is different from each other not only by used wrods, but also by grammar. So today, "Ukrainian language" is still just Russian with as many replaced words as possible to look like another language, but with absolutely identical grammar that reveal reality.
Ukrainian language, as artificially created language is even worse that Klingon, because Klingon at least have its own grammar. It is more like some elven language from some second-rate fantasy series book, made by just replacing words in author native language with made up words or words from another leanguage.
In different parts of Russia you could find different local dialects of Russian language. Even St.Petersburg and Moscow have some local nuances in language. Malorussian one was no different. But only malorussian was used as a base to create artificial language of artificial etnicity.
If you are not aware, after USSR fall there was attemtpts to announce and create "Siberian language", "Kazak language" and few other, pushed by western NGOs, but that project was curtailed, when real Russian kazaks ("kazak" is a volunteer warrion class in Russian society) of Kuban region made pogrom in one of NGO (I don't remember for sure, but it was something like "Open Society") regional HQs after an "educational rally" through Kuban villages with that artificial language propaganda and "Kazaks are not Russians" narrative. I never heard about NGO pogroms in Siberia or European North, but Russian people in that regions are less artistical than Kuban kazaks, so I think they just silently punched the faces of NGOs agitators.
But I wouldn't say capitalism is at fault. Greed is not a side effect of capitalism...it exists in all economic systems from what I have seen.
Of course greed is not side effect of capitalism. Probllem is that existing version of capitalism encourage greed.
Communists are greedy too.
Socialism (at least USSR implementation) had drawback with quality, and reason is other than greed. Quality is not important in socialism, because there is no any motivation for quality in regular manufacturing. It does not matter, will something be crappy or high-quality, in any case reward will be the same, output will be consumed in any case, and broken crap will be replaced with another crap. No any reason for anybody to strive for quality. There was exceptions, of course, but it was for high-tech or military things where quality is a must. For regular goods quality was just irrelevant.
So both, known socialism and capitalism does not encourage quality. Add to that customer stupidity and effect of marketing, and we are completely fucked.
Most troubling thing that this situaltion with quality could not be attributed to some evil elites or whatever. It is inherent problem of any known system ever implemented in reality.
Yet another thing in this rabbit hole. Imagine economy that produce things only of exceptional quality. Obviously, such economy will need much less manufacturing. Car you dad bought will serve your grand kids, no need to replace your home appliances from time to time and so on. Manufacturing will be needed only to supply population grow and rare replacement, say after natural disasters or accidents. But for whatever reason finding such economy is not among the goals of all that "sustainability", "green" crowd. On the opposite - they want one-time-use "biodegradeable" goods economy with obvious enormous manufacturing. And it is not about profits, quality driven economy could be as profitable, as any other one, just with another structure of profits.
Weird. There is definitely something big in that "quality driven economy" question we run into in our conversation.
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Arrogance and ignorance is what will finally end your kind. Confess for your arrogance and ignorance, before it's too late. Here is a decent place to do that.
Reported for threatening someone with real life violence
Reported to whom? :) To your YHWH? Or some other lettered satanic agency?
China has a culture of “if you can cheat someone, cheat them. Its their fault if they don’t catch you cheating them” so I have a hard time trusting “quality” from them even if paid for.
I work with Chineese closely for more than 10 years. I understand how Chineese way of doing business could look to you, but it's not cheating at all.
From what I learned, it works like that: Chineese assume, that customer knows better what he wants and account everything. So, some western manager come to Chineese and want to buy a batch of hand drills. Chineese tell price for some decent model. Manager asks - "could you make it sligtly cheaper?" - in hope for some bonuses from bosses. "Of course" - say Chineese. And replace brushless motor with cheap brushed one, assuming that manager understand that cheaper price means lower quality. Drill still looks the same for manager, and he mistakingly think that he participate in some Middle-East-like bargain about the price. But he does not. "What about cheaper price?" - asks manager, thinking he successfully pushing that stupid Cheneese and begin to dream about spending huge bonus he will get on return. "OK" - say Chineese and replace battery cells with some cheap crap. Customer know better, it's obvious, that no sane person will assume than cheaper thing will be made from same parts as normal one. Customer looks clever man, so he know what he is doing.
And so on. Manager sign the deal for total crap for as cheap as possible. This hand drill looks exactly like normal one, until you get it in hands. Manager boss don't care about that, he counting his profit. Manager gets bonus. Hand drill appear on shop shelves for the normal hand drill price. And when customer buy that crap for the price of normal drill, it is somehow Chineese are cheaters, no way it is that fucking boss, and his manager who got exactly what he paid for.
That simple. Of course there are literal swindlers among Chineese, like in any other nation, but rarely manufacturers do that. IDK, may be if you will insist on the price cheaper than anything possible, you may be get some non-working mockup filled with sand and stones, but that is exactly what you wanted declaring your price.
When I meet some "cheated" by Chineese customers, say somebody bought powerbank for $5 and found out that its capacity 10 times less than he wanted, then I ask, why did he think that he will get something that cost $50 for $5? It's not Chineese fault that he is so greedy and stupid to not be responsible for his own choice,
Maybe its just the elites laughing at us via shadow puppet games but I’m as sick of the crony-capitalism as you are.
I think elites are in panic. And definitely not laughing. Their masters deadline is closer and closer, and they did nothing they promised. So they do random insane shit in hope to at least partially satisfy their real masters when deadline come. Looks they are completely fucked and desperate, And it is much more dangerous for us.
We need to fix that somehow. I’m not saying this cause I just want to get rich off it, I just don’t want to see our species turn into the round retards in Wall-E.
I don't think this could last long enough. And I don't think our species future is so grim. Breakthroughs happens when things come completely fucked, and then things get better. We (as humanity) are simply not fucked enough to begin to think. But we are already fucked enough to began to notice. And it is very good that we notice, this means we are still sane and intelligent enough to notice.
IDK, may be soon some genius find out some decent solution, or there will be some technological breakthrough that will solve some key problems, but I'm not as pessimistic as you.
Every time, it bends, or breaks when I’m trying to do a simple job with it
That does not mean Chineese tools can't be good. That only means that managers of homedepots you bought Chineese crap ordered crap from China.
It's not hard to find high quality tools on aliexpress, f.e. avoiding that bean counting managers who don't even understand anything about tools or quality. Just don't serarch for cheapest option, look for highest rated things with large number of comments. Look at customer provided photos and so on.
China is able to use slave labour and pay non living wages to workers to produce cheaper goods, and its somehow cheaper to ship raw material over the ocean in boats that get 1 foot to 5 gallons of fuel oil for gas mileage.
No, that's not how that work now. Chineese do not work for the bowl of rice anymore. They just vary componetns and assembly quality to satisfy price request. Obviously, western managers ordering stuff in China always serach lowest price. Chineese will not tell a word about that. They'll just made product from garbage. If customer want cheap, he will get cheap. If you want quality - talk with Chineese about quality, not about fucking price, and that's all.
Sanctions don’t work well enough.
IDK, but for Russia they work perfectly. Western sanctions is the best thing that happened with Russian economy during all capitalistic existence since USSR fall.
If you are not aware, before 2014 the main goal of Russian economy was maintaining RUB/USD rate. It is literally in the law about Russian central bank. More Western sanctions was introduced since then, less importance that goal had for real sector of economy. Today hardly anybody except CB care about RUB/USD. And CBRF today is the only obstacle for even higher Russian economy grow. Manufacturers become more important than importers. And since question of RUB/USD rate become irrelevant, other questions rised before manufacturers, including quality and other things.
I anticipate sanctions not because they do some harm, but because it is not how international trade should be organized.
However, I don't know what mechanism should be introduced into world trade to make questions of quality, reliability and all that stuff more important than plain profit.
As you could notice, nowdays profits, that theoretically should drive economy, have no any connection with quality, reliability and longevity of goods. May be in the past, manufacturer with higher quality of product got higher profits, because people prefer quality products. But today, profits depend only on fucking marketing and/or even worse - on lower quality of the product, forcing customer to buy same shit again and again.
Until this drawback of capitalism is resolved, world economy is doomed.
The only workable solution that will have the required effect is mass death and destruction of manufacturing in china.
To be at least theoretically able to do that, West have to reindustrialize itself, and not just reindustrialize, but build another economy, driven by quality, not by profits. Serioulsy, all (and I mean really all, without exception) western weaponry is total crap on the battlefield. It is not weapons made for the battle. It is a crap made for showroom with insane price. West, with such crap, have no single chance against China.
If you need kind of violent solution, I could propose extermination of all that fucking managers who care only about money, price and their bonuses. All Western system of reselling should be totaly exterminated. Every single business school where profit put over quality, reliability and longevity should be leveled. Every single shop owner, who will think about ordering crap for the sake of saving few cents should be heavily fined. And so on. And when it will be done, China will not be a problem for the nation economy.
China really not very interested in Western market anymore, if you are not aware. West is already satuated market for them, with miserable 500M customers, who already full with Chineese goods. China is much more interested in African, Middle East and Latin America markets. They are much larger and is far from saturation. The only problem is that all those billions of customers are not wealthy enough. So China rush to noticeably rise the income of that nations. That is why you see all that China investments all over the world. Chineese making customers for themselves. With rising income in third world, China will be able to sell crap first, then third-world will began to buy better, more expensive goods to replace crap, then even better goods and so on. West is absolutely nothing comparing with that.
And West have absolutely nothing to offer for China and the world. China is not interested in fiat, financial services or LGBTXYZ+ crap. And this is a good opportunity for the West to break its damned liberal system and become useful member of world trade. From history we know that the West had something to offer to the world - inventions, engineering, manufacturing culture. But today it exectly things that Western elites thoroughly destroy with insane rate with all their DEI, profit-driven capitalism, marketing idiocy and so on.
It's not China destroying West. It is Western elites who do that and Western version of capitalism where profit and financial games is more important than making real, useful and high-quality goods.
Remembering exact day of vaccination, is already tells a lot. Making a post about that to make others knew about your mistake is telling even more. :)
Man who is self-confident and sure that vaccination was a right thing to do will never do anything of that. :)
Well, I understand your fear, and could assure you that you have relatively high chances to survive. Less than chances to survive respiratory virus infection, but still high enough to not be so afraid. In any case you could do nothing about it already, jab is already inside you. Just keep going, live your life and don't take in mind. A lot of people made same mistake, so you are definitely not alone.
IDK, may be it could be a great idea for those like you to create some kind of AA to discuss and overcome your problem together.
PS: Funny, guys, did you noticed total absence of "antivaxxers" shitposts on forums and social media with "you see, 1234 days of denying jab and nothing happened to me111!!!!".
the real world isn't a spy thriller.
And it equally isn't an MSM painted free and democratic utopia where vox populi means anything.
but please, go ahead. put together a team and do it! make sure to include a sexy French woman, a Scottish engineer and at least one black guy. the German IT specialist might rat you out though.
I account this dream team from blockbuster movie more real than putting together uncorrupted court, honest politicians not obeying three-letter agencies and all that freedom and democracy crap by MSM.
Proposal for taking out Assange from custody by force is not less real than some politicians and judges doing what voters will ask them to do, not that their masters and deep state agencies want.
Both proposals are equally ridiculous. But for some unknown for me reason I see only one ridiculous proposal, but not other.
That is the question. Not feasibility of one of another proposal.
There's sort of a parallel question which is: for all the hate directed towards various public figures, why hasn't anyone taken them out, or even suggested it in a less than joking way?
Yes, that too. But I think that intention to save somebody still have higher moral position, than doing harm due to hate.
I could understand why physical implementation of hate (even in form of throwing rotten tomatoes) could be condemned in society, so at least people will hide such thoughts.
But with saving somebody from evil, I can't find any reason why it could be absent in social media.
One s that people are victims of learned helplessness and too pussified to actually take any action.
Yes, this is important factor.
The other is that we're seeing real human nature, and properly functioning humans find violence abhorrent.
But saving one of your own is an instinct, and it is in the core than human nature. That's what make me puzzled.
relying--rightly or wrongly--on all the various social institutions we have created over the centuries to peacefully resolve disputes.
I think this could be the main reason. And it explain differences between West and Russia. We don't rely on social institutions as much as West, for the good or bad, so forcefully saving brother-in-arms from corrupted social institution is just one of the options. But that changes here too, into that full reliance.
Not shure that tendency for relying on social institutions is a good thing. It is like a damaged immune system, when some disease could attack you and you have no any backup plan.
Interesting, that eliminating corruption create more trust in social institutions, so people rely on them more and more, and then lose that ability to fight back against them. And when corruption back again, there nothing people could do.
Indeed, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
Interesting.
But then why his current supporters, unaware of that, do not propose kidnap him from this UK court, from jail, in transit? Just as virtue signalling, I'm not even talking about any actions, just about social media talks.
From my point of view it is just impossible that such obvious options didn't come to mind to noticeable percentage of Assange supporters.
I don't think CIA/MI6 killed Navalny. I think it was Albert Bourla who killed him.
Navalny was very pro-coronahoax and pro-vaccinehoax. He accuse "bloody Russian tyranny" for too weak and loose lockdowns and mask mandates. Being in "opposition" to "bloody Russian tyranny", guess what vaccine he choose? Right. Most free, civilized and democratic one. His colleagues openly demand Pfizer vaccine be officially approved in Russia. Also, he was in German hospital at the moment when Pfizer was rolled out in Germany. Also, in Russia Pfizer was not sanctioned or prohibited, it just was not officially approved, so anybody who want it could buy and jab himself with Pfizer or Moderna without limitations, so his colleagues could easily buy and give him Pfizer jab in jail. Jail medics will not hesitate to do any COVID jab, they got noticeable bonuses for COVID prevention till the end of 2021.
As for coincidences - shit happens. His colleagues know that he could "die suddenly" any moment, and was prepared beforehand for that with speeches and accusations waiting if he "die suddenly".
Navalny wasn't healthy man, he had morbidities long before he become media darling, and labor in arctic jail could be compared with sportsmen load.
And rumors are that he died suddenly from blood clot, similar to all that poor footbal players, singers, athletes and news hosts you heard a lot about.
So, my guess here - Albert Bourla killed Navalny.
Some clarifications.
In Russia you could dispute administrative fine in a court. Mostly it just does not worth time to do that, and unlikely you will get your money back, but some do that, and even sometimes win their cases.
I think even policeman in Vorkuta know where Germany and Britain are. May be he will doubt about some African or Central American country, but Europe is part of our history including WWII which is studied carefully in schools.
Navalny is a unique phenomenon in politics who tried to lean to every single political trend. May be except monarchist. He began from being liberal in Yabloko (Apple) liberal party, then, after courses in Yale he went unhinged. He was liberal, democrat national-bolshevik, communist, nationalist, libertarian, anticorruptionist, internationalist, socialist, traditionalist, wokeist and so on.
Highest approval Navalny got being nationalist and anticorruptionist. Not that people joined him or was ready to vote for nim, but accounted some of his points valid.
Navalny lost all his credibility first when collaborated with Maria Gaidar, daughter of Egor Gaidar - one of the most hated person in Russia who was top economist in Yeltsin government and was the one who create conditions for robbing Russian people of USSR resources and industry.
Second, and final loss of credibility was when Navalny & Co supported coronahoax and vaccinehoax demanding severe lockdowns and mandatory vaccination with punishment for unvaccinated. Top of that insanity was a protest rally in the middle of 2020 where his followers gathered to demand lockdowns, saying Putin killing gramdma by not implementing european type lockdowns. It was so insane - to gather and rally for prohibinting rallies and any gatherings, that even his followers began to flee from Navalny & Co. Final nail in the coffin of Navalny & Co political carreer was hammered after Navalny arrest, when Navalny fellow Volkov in one of their youtube streams declared that Canadian Truckers, who were highly respected even among Navalny followers as a fighters against government tyranny, are a tiny group of far-right extremists and all that stuff. Next Navalny & Co (FBK) youtube stream gathered 10 times less viewers.
Every nation need this. But this is impossible with current capitalism-like system.
You underestimate chineese, they make everything, not just cheap shit, but also high-quality tools and things. And that high quality things will always cost less than anything produced on the West. And potential customer will always prefer cheaper option among things of same quality.
At least you need some kind of patriotic modification of capitalism with some things alternated to encourage domestic consumption.
I don't know what it should like, so no any recipes or even suggestions.
In Russia, limiting free trade by sanctions worked to some extent into things you describe. People began to think more about reliability and their own more than about saving money. But that obviously not how things should be.
I will be very interested to hear some recipe of building capitalism with free trade and all that stuff that will inherently encourage product quality, reliability and longevity over profits. Seriously.
Of course most RTV sealers will lose mass, regardless of vacuum or normal pressure, because thinner is added to most Room-Temperature Vulcanisation sealers to make their application easier and provide better adhesion. Thinner will diffuse to the surface and evapourate with time, faster in vacuum or at high temperatures, as any volatile liquids do.
This mass loss will not anyhow harm RTV sealer at all. But it could contaminate vacuum in some sensitive equipment and even damage sensors or poison some ion trap or whatever inside vacuum chamber sealed with this sealer. For such purposes thiinnerless 2k RTV sealers manufactured. But they are harder to apply and more expensive. There is no any sense to use them for sealing large surfaces for space, because nobody cares about contaminating outer space with few grams of thinner molecules.
Funny, you already tried to push exactly same crap here earlier. Somebody decided that everybody forgot about it and it is time for next round of pushing narrative?
What if they just account such numbers as something cool?
In Russia was very popular to bribe road police to get number plate with something like 777 or 010 or 500 or whatever symmetric, round or other "interesting" number and letters. It was like a manifestation of coolness among their own. Or they tried to publicly manifest their ability to bribe road police to get such number plate.
May be they are just arrogant and childish idiots obsessed with manifestation of their power, so all that "cool" numbers and stuff?
There is no vacuum chamber on earth capable of testing suits at those vacuum levels.
There is no need to do that at all. "vacuum level" of 1e-11 torr is not noticeably different from vacuum of 0.1 torr from the material strength science point of view.
It is like difference between 99.9999 purity gold bar and 99.99999999999999 purity gold bar. You will not find any measureable difference in mechanical properties of that gold bars.
Traditional rubber type seals do not work at those vacuum levels.
Bullshit. Anything more or less elastic will perfectly work at this levels for containig atmosphere.
Problems with high vacuum is in no way connected with any imaginary dectructive properties of high vacuum. Problems about keeping high vacuum pure enough in some applications like electron microscopy, ion spectroscopy and so on. It is about protection of vacuum, not about any damage to rubber.
Rubber, silicone and other elastic gaskets usualy made using lubricants or thinners. In any vacuum, just like in regualr air this lubricants or thinners will evapourate. It absolutely does not matter if it happen in space, but that lubricant or thinner molecules in some high vacuum precision device could ruin the day.
For space suits, spacecrafts and all that stuff vacuum in space is just 1 bar pressure difference and nothing more. Regardless of how low torr value you have.
it is the material's resistance to degradation from the vacuum itself.
Rare materials degrade in vacuum at all. Some closed-cavities styrofoam, and something like with gas inside. Few materials that have to contain liquid and volatile substances to keep specific properties like decorative water-keeping jelly balls for flowerpots. Hardly you will find anything in that list that somebody will ever choose for space suit.
UV light and temperatures range are magnitude orders more important in question of material degradation in space, but they are not very different from those on Earth surface.
Vaccum is absolutely nothing, in literal and metaphoric sense for materials. It is not even in the top 10 things harmful for human without any protection. Here on Earth surface we have much more dangerous things without any space wonders.
That attempts to use vacuum as some scarecrow for ignorant audience are just stupid.
Only thing that is interesting to explore about space vacuum is who and for what purpose pictured space vacuum as something instantly deadly and severely destructive in all that mass media production, when all real properties of vacuum was perfectly known for arond two centuries.
You say you don't have tools to measure tolerance, and then say your tolerances are sub micron?
I said I have no tool to measure tolerance of roundness I get on the lathe. Dial wiith 0.001 mm precision shows nothing on just turned part. So you need more precise measurement device to measure roundness tolerance less than 0.001 mm. I don't have such, so can't tell what exact value I have, only that it is less than 0.001 mm.
What stone are you working with?
Roundness tolerance does not depend on material. It's a property of lathe, not stock.
You can only lathe granite with carbide or diamond impregnated steel.
Nor diamond, nor carbide never impregnated into steel. That's not how abrasive cutting tools made. Just visit hardware shop and look at cutting disks for ceramic, concrete and stone. Abrasive impregnated into brass or bronze layer.
To cut some stone you need abrasive with equal or larger hardness. So you could just use granite itself to cut granite. Just have to change tool more often. Also, granite hardness is less than SiO2 hardness. So you could use sand as abrasive too. Guess what is used to cut diamonds? Siddenly, diamonds.
A lathe, even with the proper tools, puts lots of pressure on granite
You don't need to put pressure on granite. You need to have a fast rotating disc with abrasive as a tool, not a cutter.
Lathe is not a mechanism to put pressure. Lathe is a mechanism that allow turning round things with some tool. Potter's wheel is kind of lathe too. Tool is your hand in that case.
You can't just eyeball that.
You don't need to. Take something round as a template and you will be able to create enormous amounts of interesting curves, just combining circles. Different round templates will make things more interesting.
You seriously think the ancient Egyptians created micron tolerances in granite with lathes made out of "arrowheads" and "bowstring"
You get micron tolerances because of rotation between two supports. Not because of what that supports are.
Egyptologists claim the ancient Egyptians didn't have brass or bronze. They claim they only had copper and stone tools.
If you are not aware, it is much harder to make copper, than to make bronze. Bronze is just impure copper, with tin, silicon, lead and so on as impurities. To make copper you need more advanced technology than to make bronze.
You do know that it's the Egyptologists themselves that say the ancient Egyptians created these vases with only copper chisels, and without lathes?
I don't care what Egyptologists say. Imagine that. I don't need any Egyptologists to find out how things could be done by ancient people.
You seriously think the ancient Egyptians created micron tolerances in granite
There is nothing exceptional in "micron tolerances" at all. A surface, glossy enough to be a mirror have less then 0.1 μm roughness. Yes, 100 nm tolerance. Ancient Egyptians had nanotechnologies!!!111
It requires carbide or diamond impregnated steel
Why do you continue to repeat that bullshit about "abrasive impregnated steel" ? It is very easy to check that abrasive is always impregnated in bronze or brass even in modern instruments. Steel is used only as a cheap base for abrasive impregnated bronze. Steel is significantly cheaper than bronze today, so no need to make whole tool from bronze, and only cutting edge made from bronze now.
Those "coins" couldn't do jack shit to granite.
Those "coins" are as good, as modern diamond disks for Dremel. They just lost all abrasive on the edge, so was thrown out as we found them or was used as they are with abrasive suspension pouring on the rotating disk.
The entire society/civilization would have to shift/advance to achieve those increases in precision.
Strange that you do not apply same logic to your "unknown advanced ancient technology" belief. If ancient Egyptians had some advanced tech, then they had to have industry to make that tech, to make parts of that tech and so on, including precursor tech, parts, etc. And it had to be massive, so we had to find weared and spare parts of that advanced tech and tools to make that advanced tech everywhere in ancient Egypt.
You can't have tech, even magic or alien one without any traces. If it is magic, then there should be tons of blank magic wands, tools to make magic wands and so on. If it is alien, there should be tons of weared alien tool parts, depleted or broken energy sources, broken tools and so on.
When you have only a vase made with "advanced ancient tech", but no any traces of that tech at all, then it is bullshit. So, to be honest you have to look around and see if that vase could be done with things ancient Egyptians already had.
If you think that I'm kind of hardcore sceptic, you can't be wrong more. On the opposite, for a lond I'm trying to find any evidence of any "out of nowhere" technology, because it would be a solid proof of some external, alien influence on development of humanity. But none of that "advanced ancient technology" claims I know about, ever demonstrated technology itself or its parts, only some artifacts claimed to be done with "advanced ancient technology". And all those artifacts perfectly possible for the time they attributed to.
There is a group of "out-of-time" or "out-of-place" artifacts, like that spark plug ingrown into stone, but they are too questionable and too obvious. Antykitera mechanism was kind of promising, but it appeared to be just a sophisticated mechanical calendar to show events and holidays of ancient Greece. Interesting, but not what I looking for.
Listen, If there would have been found something like Antykithera mechanism, but designed to show phases of three moons and dates for completely another planet - THAT would be something I looking for.
Or if there would have been discovered multiple complex but definitely compatible parts of some tech with unknown purpose and with nothing even close to anything in our technologies, then it will be also very interesting.
If you know something like that - you are welcome.
So, if you satisfied with consuming what some videobloggers or "Egyptologists" tell you for your amusement, then fine. Many do that. But I'm not from their target audience. I want real proof.
If you are not aware, 1e-11 torr means just 1 bar pressure inside suit. Even less, because even on passenger planes internal pressure is lowered to 0.8 bar on regular flights. Using oxygen only you could safely lower pressre to 0.3 bar. Nothing exceptional at all. You literally could make space suit from bike helmet, some plastic PPE, boots and gloves. Some hacking to make it air tight together and you are in business. You will have more problems with dissipating heat your body produce than with that 1e-11 torr vacuum.
Why the hell that "1e-11 torr" is used in all that space memes as something extreme or very dangerous? It is just 1 bar pressure difference with atmospheric pressure on the Earth surface. On the passenger plane cruise altitude of 10km pressure is 0.25 bar, so difference with pressure on the Earth surface is 0.75 bar. Since when 0.75 bar pressure difference is something very usual thing nobody really care about flying in passenger plane, but 1 bar pressure difference is something exceptional?
It is much harder to make underwater suit for 100 meter depth, because pressure difference is 10 bar.
As for the price - what government institution do not laundering tax money today?
The problem is working granite (and other hard stone) to extremely fine detail. How tight are the tolerances of your works? Are they within micron tolerances?
It depends on what tolerances you mean. For roundness you will get less than micron tolerance on nearly any lathe and even cutting something gripped in hand drill.
I have no tools to measure roundness tolerance for things I made on my lathe, It is much less than micron. Best dial I have with 0.001 precision show nothing if I set it on a just turned part rotating in a chuck. Obviously.
For other axis, I have around 0.01 mm lengthwise from chuck to rear support and same 0.01 perpendiculal for 150mm diameter stock. This tolerances are adjustable so it could be better, but I don't need to.
Are the lines and curves of your works all related to each other, geometrical ratios?
You will not believe me, but suddenly, solids of revolution like vases are made from some 2D curve rotated by 360 degrees. If you look at Egyptian 2D pictures and ornaments, you will find that they are sometimes very sophisticated. You need not be a genius to take some of those ornaments curve and turn it to get some nice thing.
So you're just eyeballing the material removal between the handles.
You don't need any eyballing if you use stops. Simpliest thing - a stick attached to stock. Every time attached stick stop at some fixture, angle of stock is exactly same with decent precision. Very easy.
Same with vase curve. Especially if you need several identical vases. You make a template plank with one side curved that set vase profile and use it as a stop for cutter. You will not be able to cut more than template allow and all subsequent vases will be identical.
Egyptologists have tested sawing to cut rock using copper saws with sand abrasives. Do you know how well it worked? They made almost no progress.
They are idiots. You need bronze or brass for that. Just go to nearest hardware shop and take a look at all that diamond or corundum cutting disks - the abrasive is melted into brass. Copper is too soft to hold abrasive. In addition, copper is kind of sticky. It is hard to mil, drill and turn copper because it is sticky. Brass and bronse is self-slipping. That is why bushes are made from brass or bronze, and that is why it is used as a carrier for abrasive.
If you have a good hardware shop around, you could buy a rope blade for hack saw. Usially used for cutting ceramic tiles. It is a steel wire covered with brass covered with abrasive. Works pretty well. And cheap as dirt. You don't need any "egyptologists" to find out how things really works.
mainstream historians still claim the ancient Egyptians built everything they did without the use of the wheel, and without the use of the lathe.
Mainstream historians claim a lot of bullshit. That is why they allowed to be mainstream.
Egyptians was well aware about wheel and machinery.
I've worked in a quarry before. Even using steel tools
Steel is not used to cut stones. Steel is used in this tools only to carry cutting edge made from brass/bronze and abrasive. All cutting is done by abrasive. And there was plenty of abrasive in ancient Egypt.
I know when a job requires more advanced technology
Advanced technology makes things easier. It didn't change principle. Like with lathe. Of course modern CNC lathe is very comfortable to cut anything round and even not so round. But in basics it is not different from stock holded between two arrowheads and driven by bowstring with knife or sharp stone as a tool. With such lathe you could do anything you can do on modern lathe, it just will take much more time. With such lathe you could make any round parts from wood, bronze or brass stock. Then use them to upgrade your lathe to do things from stone or whatever material.
F.e. those flat disks with square holes in center that are declared coins by "archeologists". They are not coins. "Archeologists" didn't know about machining and all that stuff. They are cutting disks. Square hole allow easily transfer large torque from wooden stick to cutting edge without slipping. Craft was rated high in ancient times, so this form of disk with square hole eventually could evolve in coins with some art on them, but early ones with flat sides are cutting tools.
As for precision - I had a textbook for machinists where described a lot of methods to make high precision parts using low precision tools. It was old Russian textbook for technical schools. I'm shure western technical schools have to have similar textbooks, because it is the basics of any industry. High precision machinery is not appeared from nowhere. It was made on lower precision machinery. Find this book and read it. I guarantee, you will find much more amasing and mind-blowing stuff in this book than in all that videos about "advanced ancient technologies" together.
Again, you clearly haven't watched the video.
I watched and I'm pity I spend time to watch this. Only thing that saved this video is vases. They are nice. And that's all.
Seriously - buy that cheap stone bowl and measure it by yourself. All that bullshit "it is impossible even with modern tools" will vaporize quickly. Just $10 and highly probably you'll easily find something similar on amazon or ebay. Not a very high price to find the truth.
I understand why videobloggers do that videos. They want their easy money, so they will do anything to make even very boring things look amasing and misterious. But I don't understand why people here decide to help them to earn money?
If you'd bother to watch the video, he (Ben with UnchartedX) explains that it would be impossible to create these things on lathes, even modern ones.
I don't care what some blogger explains. I know that I can do it.
Truly, these vases could only be produced in a computer, with design software, and manufactured with highly precise sophisticated machines
It's a bullshit. Right before me I have a glass made from stone, something like that - http://kamnerez07.ru/shop/product/bokal-d60-115 I don't know how that stone named in English, in Russian it is named змеевик. Hardness is just 1-2 below hardness of granite. You could also buy similar glasses from onyx, which is harder than granite, and other stones.
IDK, hardly this "ancient super advaced technology" of making stone glassware preserved only in Ural mountains region of Russia. I know similar things manufactured in Iran and Pakistan. If some dude from youtube could not do that, then it's only his ignorance, nothing more.
My glass is perfectly round, it was made on simple lathe, basically similar to simpliest wood lathe, but with diamond cutting disc instead of chisel. Inside is taken out with diamond ball mill. Stock is rotating slowly, diamond cutter rotates fast. It is possible to make partial arcs on surface (for handles, f.e.) rotating stock by incomplete turn, leaving some stone intact.
I could easily make similar granite vase on my metalworking lathe using dremel equipped with diamond disk instead of regular cutter. Will took some time and water, but absolutely nothing exceptional. High roundness is guaranteed.
In ancient times such things highly probably was made on hand-driven lathe of basic construction with rotating bronse disk/ball with sand melted in as cutting tool. Water was used for cooling and dust removal. Two slaves, one to rotate bronse tool at high speed with bow string and other to pour water was handy. Master slowly rotate stock in lathe by one hand doing cutting with rotating tool with other hand.
Once upon a time, being child I was very enthusiastic in all that "advaced ancient technology" bullshit too. But with time, I got a knowledge and expirience of how things work and how they made. I learned to work on different machines and use different tools. And now, all that "advanced ancient technologies" are nothing more than simple job done with simple tools. Tools simplicity just made job longer, not less precise. And ancient people had a lot of time. They didn't have twitter and netflix, so had to find some other ways to occupy themselves.
Lathe-like machinery is an ancient thing. And with any lathe, even ugly, slaves-driven and prehistoric one, you inevitably get "magic" of ideal concentricity and roundness if you work on stock without taking it out.
It's like sawing something with rope saw - you always get perfectly flat cut surface.
Geometry rulz.
Nice vases, meanwhile.
You don't need to take sides to pay attention to a good, practical example of how one nation could be divided by enemy in two and forced into war against each other.
You could easily find exactly same methods used on Ukrainian citizens applied to US citizens f.e.
They even forcefully creating new language from American English, prohibiting use of some words and introducing some ridiculous replacements. Just like in Ukraine. There is more and more division, when one part is hate another, and blame other part in all problems. They rewrite history for specific part of nation. Did you notice that? I did. It's all from the same textbook. Looking at Russia-Ukraine case you could not only find all that signs of evil influence, but also get a clue how it could end.
I don't wish any Western citizen to find himself in our situation. So don't throw away your chance to know things beforehead and may be try to prevent them befoer things will break loose. If only we knew all that stuff we know now... But we didn't pay attention. So we have bloody war now, initiated by elites.