Maybe that's why Jesus was praying to the Father and not the god of the OT. When Jesus said, "I and the father are one," he was not claiming to be Yahweh. He was describing his consciousness in complete synthesis with the ultimate source beyond all creation.
I'm surprised you don't know this. In Gnostic belief systems, Jesus prayed to the Father (Monad) as the ultimate, ineffable source of all being, often referred to as the "God above God" or Bythos, distinct from the lesser creator deity known as the Demiurge (aka Yahweh in the OT). Gnostics viewed the Monad as a singular, formless essence without name, emotion, or form, from which all spiritual emanations (Aeons) flow, including the Christ spirit. That's what many of the early Christians believed as well.
From my understanding, Jesus is the part of the Trinity as God's Form, and He has had other Forms before His Jesus Flesh. God's Form is inextricabley connected to His Holy Spirit and His Godhead. I've been given this knowledge from His word and Him teaching me by His Spirit.
That's what the Church teaches. It doesn't mean they're right. Jesus does not say “I am the Father” or “the Father and I am one.”. He says “the Father and I are [plural] one".
Even Tertullian admitted: “Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another”. That didn't go well with the orthodox theologians at that time. Some even called it heresy. After much debate orthodox settled for the paradox of the Trinity: there are three persons, all of whom are God, but there is only one God. One God, manifest in three persons, who are distinct in number but united somehow. Many people, myself included, find this mind-boggling. As many have already noted it's a notion that challenges human logic and the law of non-contradiction.
The lesser (Samael) is so much less that he does not deserve the titles creator, deity, demiurge, or Yahweh. If gnostics are so monist you'd think they wouldn't deify some subaeonic upstart. The whole Sophia shtik is simply kicking theodicy down the road. Christ is about timeless emanation, not sequential emanation, which literally comes from Kek of the Egyptian ogdoad.
he does not deserve the titles creator, deity, demiurge, or Yahweh
Yahweh, you mean the god of the OT, the god of the Jews. He would be so proud to see his chosen people doing so much good in the world today. From Gaza, to Lebanon and Iran. Spreading goodness and love all over the place.
Maybe that's why Jesus was praying to the Father and not the god of the OT. When Jesus said, "I and the father are one," he was not claiming to be Yahweh. He was describing his consciousness in complete synthesis with the ultimate source beyond all creation.
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I'm surprised you don't know this. In Gnostic belief systems, Jesus prayed to the Father (Monad) as the ultimate, ineffable source of all being, often referred to as the "God above God" or Bythos, distinct from the lesser creator deity known as the Demiurge (aka Yahweh in the OT). Gnostics viewed the Monad as a singular, formless essence without name, emotion, or form, from which all spiritual emanations (Aeons) flow, including the Christ spirit. That's what many of the early Christians believed as well.
I was curious to know what you know about it.
From my understanding, Jesus is the part of the Trinity as God's Form, and He has had other Forms before His Jesus Flesh. God's Form is inextricabley connected to His Holy Spirit and His Godhead. I've been given this knowledge from His word and Him teaching me by His Spirit.
That's what the Church teaches. It doesn't mean they're right. Jesus does not say “I am the Father” or “the Father and I am one.”. He says “the Father and I are [plural] one".
Even Tertullian admitted: “Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another”. That didn't go well with the orthodox theologians at that time. Some even called it heresy. After much debate orthodox settled for the paradox of the Trinity: there are three persons, all of whom are God, but there is only one God. One God, manifest in three persons, who are distinct in number but united somehow. Many people, myself included, find this mind-boggling. As many have already noted it's a notion that challenges human logic and the law of non-contradiction.
The lesser (Samael) is so much less that he does not deserve the titles creator, deity, demiurge, or Yahweh. If gnostics are so monist you'd think they wouldn't deify some subaeonic upstart. The whole Sophia shtik is simply kicking theodicy down the road. Christ is about timeless emanation, not sequential emanation, which literally comes from Kek of the Egyptian ogdoad.
Yahweh, you mean the god of the OT, the god of the Jews. He would be so proud to see his chosen people doing so much good in the world today. From Gaza, to Lebanon and Iran. Spreading goodness and love all over the place.