From my understanding, Jesus is the part of the Trinity as God's Form, and He has had other Forms before His Jesus Flesh. God's Form is inextricabley connected to His Holy Spirit and His Godhead. I've been given this knowledge from His word and Him teaching me by His Spirit.
That's what the Church teaches. It doesn't mean they're right. Jesus does not say “I am the Father” or “the Father and I am one.”. He says “the Father and I are [plural] one".
Even Tertullian admitted: “Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another”. That didn't go well with the orthodox theologians at that time. Some even called it heresy. After much debate orthodox settled for the paradox of the Trinity: there are three persons, all of whom are God, but there is only one God. One God, manifest in three persons, who are distinct in number but united somehow. Many people, myself included, find this mind-boggling. As many have already noted it's a notion that challenges human logic and the law of non-contradiction.
Jesus is the Most High God's physical form. See also the Burning Bush, the Fire by night and the Cloud by day, the Angel of the Lord and Melchizedek, all Jesus Christ before His Human Flesh incarnation, pretty sure.
I know what you mean. But, like I said, it doesn't mean the Church is right. The Church managed to change a lot of things, from seeing Jesus as his own disciples did during his ministry, as a Jewish man with an apocalyptic message of coming destruction, to seeing him as something far greater, a preexistent divine being who became human only temporarily before being made the Lord of the universe. It was not long after that that Jesus was declared to be the very Word of God made flesh, who was with God at creation and through whom God made all things. Eventually Jesus came to be seen as God in every respect, coeternal with the Father, of the same substance as the Father, equal to the Father within the Trinity of three persons, but one God.
This God Christ may not have been the historical Jesus. But he was the Christ of orthodox Christian doctrine, the object of faith and veneration over the centuries.
I was curious to know what you know about it.
From my understanding, Jesus is the part of the Trinity as God's Form, and He has had other Forms before His Jesus Flesh. God's Form is inextricabley connected to His Holy Spirit and His Godhead. I've been given this knowledge from His word and Him teaching me by His Spirit.
That's what the Church teaches. It doesn't mean they're right. Jesus does not say “I am the Father” or “the Father and I am one.”. He says “the Father and I are [plural] one".
Even Tertullian admitted: “Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another”. That didn't go well with the orthodox theologians at that time. Some even called it heresy. After much debate orthodox settled for the paradox of the Trinity: there are three persons, all of whom are God, but there is only one God. One God, manifest in three persons, who are distinct in number but united somehow. Many people, myself included, find this mind-boggling. As many have already noted it's a notion that challenges human logic and the law of non-contradiction.
Jesus is the Most High God's physical form. See also the Burning Bush, the Fire by night and the Cloud by day, the Angel of the Lord and Melchizedek, all Jesus Christ before His Human Flesh incarnation, pretty sure.
I know what you mean. But, like I said, it doesn't mean the Church is right. The Church managed to change a lot of things, from seeing Jesus as his own disciples did during his ministry, as a Jewish man with an apocalyptic message of coming destruction, to seeing him as something far greater, a preexistent divine being who became human only temporarily before being made the Lord of the universe. It was not long after that that Jesus was declared to be the very Word of God made flesh, who was with God at creation and through whom God made all things. Eventually Jesus came to be seen as God in every respect, coeternal with the Father, of the same substance as the Father, equal to the Father within the Trinity of three persons, but one God.
This God Christ may not have been the historical Jesus. But he was the Christ of orthodox Christian doctrine, the object of faith and veneration over the centuries.
I only mostly understand the timeless universal Church and I think God's words are a way He shows us His Form too.