Ofc they will make digital money with expiry date for the goyim while they hoard gold. Musk is a pathological liar aka psychopath aka megalomaniac. He never got elected to represent anyone but the power trip of that dude is insane. Also he behaves like politicians, through lies and false promises.
If you registersed in any of centralized corporation social network and use it, than it is exactly the same as digital ration by state/corporations, just in form of service, not money.
But somehow I see a lot of warnings about UBI, CBDC, social rationing and so on, but there is no same warnings about using all that twitter, gab, whatsapp, youtube, googleservices, apple shit and so on.
Guys, please be consistent.If you talk about threat of UBI, then talk also about threat of buying Apple/Android phones and using centralised social crap, f.e. It is exactly same UBI, but in IT realm. And taking above into account, it is insane to embed Youtube video speaking about danger of digital rationing. Youtube IS digital rationing.
I've been saying it for 20 years. Every single job is going to be automated. Not most, and not as quickly as the current AI hype bros are claiming. But every single one, and not terribly far in the future either.
Denying it is living in fantasy land, and we'll have to deal with it one way or another.
So far the most realistic that people have come up with is some kind of UBI, which has all sorts of obvious problems.
However it boils down to this.
If the world is ruled by by the people, for the people, when the need for work disappears, we're taken a good step towards a utopia.
If the world still is ruled by satanic pedophile jew supremacists when the need for work and workers disappears, we'll have a very bad time, probably involving the involuntary culling of the goyim.
Utopia isn't a thing. There are at least a million different and mutually exclusive ideas of what utopia is, and each one represents a dystopian nightmare from the point of view of any of the others.
I get it, people who believe there can be any kind of utopia cannot let that idea go because they have wrapped their identity in it somehow, but it cannot be a thing.
The only real things are centralized power and the decentralization of that power. The trend will always be towards centralization, because that is human nature. Eventually, centralized systems have a decentralizing event, which can be the ruling class deciding to decentralize in order to eventually gain more power - as in the industrial revolution and everything that led up to it - or it can be the centralization squeezing too tightly leading to something other than revolution (because revolution usually just leads to a changing of the people running a centralized system, but not always).
This entire idea that people need to find jobs in an economy only exists for rare periods in history. Outside of that it is distributed tribes, agrarian life, variations on feudal systems, and people trying to consolidate wealth and power on larger and larger scales, and cycling among those forever.
UBI is a variation on a feudal system, btw.
If there is ever a time when a ruling class literally does not need people, they will find a way to get rid of them. Doesn't matter who is running the show, because it will eventually re-centralize.
They still need people for data, and to feel powerful. They need medical research slaves, they need sex slaves, they need an engineering and scientific class, they need an enforcer class. This is, again, a variation on a feudal system, and none of these pieces can be fully replaced by machines in any meaningful way at any point in our lifetimes.
The only real answer is constantly working towards decentralizing every centralized system. But, no matter what, the cycles will continue over a long enough timeline. They always have and always will.
We seem to be mostly in agreement. However, there'll be no need for medical or engineering or scientific slaves, or enforcers, once AI does those tasks. Sex slaves is another matter.
AI will help speed up research, but any AI in our lifetime is only going to be able to mimic like 80-90th percentile of human intelligence. What it offers is speed, including for brute force. So engineers and scientists will be needed for the high-end stuff forever.
And by medical research slaves, what I mean is lab rats to experiment on. AI (or humans) can't do most of that research in a vacuum. I'm pretty sure that will be a significant part of any UBI economy.
So engineers and scientists will be needed for the high-end stuff forever.
Unfortunately that's a cope. It's true enough for LLMs, they wont get there no matter how much text you feed them, but then the next fundamental algorithm will be discovered/invented, and the next, and then things will look different.
They were right, and we're steadily approaching that corner. But yeah the majority of the world is generally blind and won't recognize anything until after the fact.
idk, I've been in this industry over 25 years and I don't think the trajectory puts us anywhere near replacing engineers anytime in my lifetime.
When I was in college everything was "we're in an AI winter"...for 20 years. In the 70s everyone was sure we were almost there, then the active paths hit brick walls.
It feels very much like that now. Machine learning, deep learning, neural networks, etc., were all exciting, but really seemed to plateau around 2020, and then LLMs added a bit more life, but still the same. LLMs, agents, et al, are at about 80% of what they will ever be, and squeezing out that last 20% is going to take an insane amount of compute. After that? Stagnation and derivation, and not much new is my feeling, but we'll see.
It just feels like this story has played out time and again, with AI, with offshoring,... Everything that was supposed to be the end of tech always led to exponential growth eventually.
Yes, for most people, the jobs that exist now will be automated away (though it will take 10-20 years), but probably 15-20% of the population will still be needed as research scientists, engineers, and enforcers. AI, and all automation, is great at repeating what has already been done to death, or finding needles in haystacks, but has never been anywhere near the innovative or the novel (or the artistically creative).
Either way, in my opinion, the best path is outside of that system. You don't want to be in it whether you have a job or not.
Ofc they will make digital money with expiry date for the goyim while they hoard gold. Musk is a pathological liar aka psychopath aka megalomaniac. He never got elected to represent anyone but the power trip of that dude is insane. Also he behaves like politicians, through lies and false promises.
Small rant. :)
If you registersed in any of centralized corporation social network and use it, than it is exactly the same as digital ration by state/corporations, just in form of service, not money.
But somehow I see a lot of warnings about UBI, CBDC, social rationing and so on, but there is no same warnings about using all that twitter, gab, whatsapp, youtube, googleservices, apple shit and so on.
Guys, please be consistent.If you talk about threat of UBI, then talk also about threat of buying Apple/Android phones and using centralised social crap, f.e. It is exactly same UBI, but in IT realm. And taking above into account, it is insane to embed Youtube video speaking about danger of digital rationing. Youtube IS digital rationing.
Good observation. It's all variations on feudal systems. Play your assigned role in the system and get your rations.
I've been saying it for 20 years. Every single job is going to be automated. Not most, and not as quickly as the current AI hype bros are claiming. But every single one, and not terribly far in the future either.
Denying it is living in fantasy land, and we'll have to deal with it one way or another.
So far the most realistic that people have come up with is some kind of UBI, which has all sorts of obvious problems.
However it boils down to this.
If the world is ruled by by the people, for the people, when the need for work disappears, we're taken a good step towards a utopia.
If the world still is ruled by satanic pedophile jew supremacists when the need for work and workers disappears, we'll have a very bad time, probably involving the involuntary culling of the goyim.
There's a deadline. Literally and figuratively.
Utopia isn't a thing. There are at least a million different and mutually exclusive ideas of what utopia is, and each one represents a dystopian nightmare from the point of view of any of the others.
I get it, people who believe there can be any kind of utopia cannot let that idea go because they have wrapped their identity in it somehow, but it cannot be a thing.
The only real things are centralized power and the decentralization of that power. The trend will always be towards centralization, because that is human nature. Eventually, centralized systems have a decentralizing event, which can be the ruling class deciding to decentralize in order to eventually gain more power - as in the industrial revolution and everything that led up to it - or it can be the centralization squeezing too tightly leading to something other than revolution (because revolution usually just leads to a changing of the people running a centralized system, but not always).
This entire idea that people need to find jobs in an economy only exists for rare periods in history. Outside of that it is distributed tribes, agrarian life, variations on feudal systems, and people trying to consolidate wealth and power on larger and larger scales, and cycling among those forever.
UBI is a variation on a feudal system, btw.
If there is ever a time when a ruling class literally does not need people, they will find a way to get rid of them. Doesn't matter who is running the show, because it will eventually re-centralize.
They still need people for data, and to feel powerful. They need medical research slaves, they need sex slaves, they need an engineering and scientific class, they need an enforcer class. This is, again, a variation on a feudal system, and none of these pieces can be fully replaced by machines in any meaningful way at any point in our lifetimes.
The only real answer is constantly working towards decentralizing every centralized system. But, no matter what, the cycles will continue over a long enough timeline. They always have and always will.
We seem to be mostly in agreement. However, there'll be no need for medical or engineering or scientific slaves, or enforcers, once AI does those tasks. Sex slaves is another matter.
AI will help speed up research, but any AI in our lifetime is only going to be able to mimic like 80-90th percentile of human intelligence. What it offers is speed, including for brute force. So engineers and scientists will be needed for the high-end stuff forever.
And by medical research slaves, what I mean is lab rats to experiment on. AI (or humans) can't do most of that research in a vacuum. I'm pretty sure that will be a significant part of any UBI economy.
Unfortunately that's a cope. It's true enough for LLMs, they wont get there no matter how much text you feed them, but then the next fundamental algorithm will be discovered/invented, and the next, and then things will look different.
Yeah, they've been saying that for 60 or 70 years. It's just around the corner.
They were right, and we're steadily approaching that corner. But yeah the majority of the world is generally blind and won't recognize anything until after the fact.
idk, I've been in this industry over 25 years and I don't think the trajectory puts us anywhere near replacing engineers anytime in my lifetime.
When I was in college everything was "we're in an AI winter"...for 20 years. In the 70s everyone was sure we were almost there, then the active paths hit brick walls.
It feels very much like that now. Machine learning, deep learning, neural networks, etc., were all exciting, but really seemed to plateau around 2020, and then LLMs added a bit more life, but still the same. LLMs, agents, et al, are at about 80% of what they will ever be, and squeezing out that last 20% is going to take an insane amount of compute. After that? Stagnation and derivation, and not much new is my feeling, but we'll see.
It just feels like this story has played out time and again, with AI, with offshoring,... Everything that was supposed to be the end of tech always led to exponential growth eventually.
Yes, for most people, the jobs that exist now will be automated away (though it will take 10-20 years), but probably 15-20% of the population will still be needed as research scientists, engineers, and enforcers. AI, and all automation, is great at repeating what has already been done to death, or finding needles in haystacks, but has never been anywhere near the innovative or the novel (or the artistically creative).
Either way, in my opinion, the best path is outside of that system. You don't want to be in it whether you have a job or not.
All that tells me is that I should be saving.
So ----- own nothing and be happy?