Hey Graph, I've explained all of those here except the date of asteroids, which hasn't come up but is a straightforward application of the others. Plus I could pull out my references for literally a hundred other young-earth dating mechanisms. So it's not that simple. Until the late 19th century, all scientific consensus used a cosmic age under a million years, even though the Hindus were conducting initial market tests with random large numbers.
Your world view requires, for all intents and purposes, God to be a Liar. Why would God make it look like stars are clearly many millions of light years away? Why would God make it look like c was invariant? And make the CMB look like it’s 13.4 billion light years away? Why would God make the rock layers look like they got deposited slowly over millions of years of slow geologic processes, infrequently punctuated by catastrophic (and relatively rapid) layering events?
Your ideology reeks far too much of “Satan buried dinosaur bones to test our faith!”-esque cope. Especially so to so flippantly dismiss “the establishment perspective”. Grand claims require grand evidence. You’ve yet to overturn the consensus much less propose a coherent alternative. Imo atleast. To balance out your opinion above.
Why would God make it look like stars are clearly many millions of light years away? Why would God make it look like c was invariant? And make the CMB look like it’s 13.4 billion light years away? Why would God make the rock layers look like they got deposited slowly over millions of years of slow geologic processes, infrequently punctuated by catastrophic (and relatively rapid) layering events?
It's not that it has deceptive appearance, it's that age narratives are templated onto the data. Peter specifically answers that people deceive themselves by assuming uniformitarianism, that everything continues in the same way it has since creation, willfully forgetting (as you know) evidence of cataclysm that belies uniformitarian math.
(1) On standard math, the stars appear millions of lightyears away because they are, and because (as he said) the heavens were stretched out suddenly, millions of times faster than lightspeed, as BBT agrees. (2) Right now c invariance is by definition but it did not appear invariant before this definition; if it wobbles a little we wouldn't know it because we'd assume our dynamic seconds are a little off from the radioactive second. (3) Same as 1. (4) When polystrate trees appear in multiple layers across "millions of years" of invented geologic time, that's evidence of big catastrophe, not occasional punctuation. The rocks don't look like they were deposited over millions of years, and there is no geologic column anywhere on earth that contains all the eras; they are just mishmashed together into one narrative and given subepochs, rather like your many geologic catastrophes, without any real evidence that one theory is better than another.
Satan did bury stupid arguments in atheist brains to test our faith, yes, but dinosaurs are no threat to the young earth, only lying stories about them are. But lying stories about reptilians go back to the Garden of Eden, don't they?
Look, Graph, if a plant shoots up 3 feet from a seed in a couple days, and later you observe it growing only 1 inch a week, are you going to say the plant is 30-40 weeks old by uniformitarian assumption, or are you going to investigate whether plants have differences in growth spurts? It's the same for every single assumption of old earth. I've debunked the worst the establishment can offer, I offer myself to take on all comers, I'm not surprised by their feints anymore. I'm not trying to "prove" young earth as a whole because I find it better to deal with the specific argument that comes up any given day. The evidence is enough for me on the grand claim, and I'm happy to go into specifics with a willing audience, but I don't want to fall into a time-eating trap, so I seek to stick to a response that is not much more than the time the interlocutor put into it.
We now know petrification can happen in just a few years.
They lie about everything.
And “we” also “know” that many sedimentary and metamorphic rock formation processes take fucking eons.
Until you can explain:
The speed of light
Radio-isotope decay
Asteroids/meteors/moon rocks consistently being dated to 4.6 billion years old
Cosmic microwave background radiation
And literally a dozen other dating mechanism
You’re gunna need to do a little better than “theyz lyin! We wuz 6,000 year ol kangz n shieeet!”
Wtf does the speed of light have to do with anything? Lol
All those "theories" were brought to u by masons and Jesuits...but that Kool aid is sure quenching ain't it and shieet!
The stars we see in space are millions of light years away.
That means, unless you’re retarded, the light you’re seeing is millions of years old.
That means the universe is millions of years old.
Period. End of topic. Until you revolutionize particle physics that’s how it’s gunna stay
Lmfao
How TF do u know they are millions of miles away..? Maybe they got that information when they went to the moon...lol
Is it because a bunch a masons changed that a few centuries ago?
Only a retard takes the word of known liars as fact...😂
Hey Graph, I've explained all of those here except the date of asteroids, which hasn't come up but is a straightforward application of the others. Plus I could pull out my references for literally a hundred other young-earth dating mechanisms. So it's not that simple. Until the late 19th century, all scientific consensus used a cosmic age under a million years, even though the Hindus were conducting initial market tests with random large numbers.
Your world view requires, for all intents and purposes, God to be a Liar. Why would God make it look like stars are clearly many millions of light years away? Why would God make it look like c was invariant? And make the CMB look like it’s 13.4 billion light years away? Why would God make the rock layers look like they got deposited slowly over millions of years of slow geologic processes, infrequently punctuated by catastrophic (and relatively rapid) layering events?
Your ideology reeks far too much of “Satan buried dinosaur bones to test our faith!”-esque cope. Especially so to so flippantly dismiss “the establishment perspective”. Grand claims require grand evidence. You’ve yet to overturn the consensus much less propose a coherent alternative. Imo atleast. To balance out your opinion above.
It's not that it has deceptive appearance, it's that age narratives are templated onto the data. Peter specifically answers that people deceive themselves by assuming uniformitarianism, that everything continues in the same way it has since creation, willfully forgetting (as you know) evidence of cataclysm that belies uniformitarian math.
(1) On standard math, the stars appear millions of lightyears away because they are, and because (as he said) the heavens were stretched out suddenly, millions of times faster than lightspeed, as BBT agrees. (2) Right now c invariance is by definition but it did not appear invariant before this definition; if it wobbles a little we wouldn't know it because we'd assume our dynamic seconds are a little off from the radioactive second. (3) Same as 1. (4) When polystrate trees appear in multiple layers across "millions of years" of invented geologic time, that's evidence of big catastrophe, not occasional punctuation. The rocks don't look like they were deposited over millions of years, and there is no geologic column anywhere on earth that contains all the eras; they are just mishmashed together into one narrative and given subepochs, rather like your many geologic catastrophes, without any real evidence that one theory is better than another.
Satan did bury stupid arguments in atheist brains to test our faith, yes, but dinosaurs are no threat to the young earth, only lying stories about them are. But lying stories about reptilians go back to the Garden of Eden, don't they?
Look, Graph, if a plant shoots up 3 feet from a seed in a couple days, and later you observe it growing only 1 inch a week, are you going to say the plant is 30-40 weeks old by uniformitarian assumption, or are you going to investigate whether plants have differences in growth spurts? It's the same for every single assumption of old earth. I've debunked the worst the establishment can offer, I offer myself to take on all comers, I'm not surprised by their feints anymore. I'm not trying to "prove" young earth as a whole because I find it better to deal with the specific argument that comes up any given day. The evidence is enough for me on the grand claim, and I'm happy to go into specifics with a willing audience, but I don't want to fall into a time-eating trap, so I seek to stick to a response that is not much more than the time the interlocutor put into it.