Both fear of hell and hope of heaven tempt one to ignore perceivable origin for suggested outcome, thereby permitting others to shape; illustrate; direct etc. outcomes.
In response to origin...heaven (to heave) implies ones growth, while hell/heil/hale/hel (whole; entire; all) implies all loss.
Being implies heaven (life) within hell (inception towards death)...both hope and fear tempts one to ignore that.
to be put in line under
Being (life) put in line (inception towards death) implies in-between aka as above/so below...not into an under vs over conflict.
Jewish death cult manipulates the rest of humanity to be put in line
Correct. Throughout the four Gospels included in the NT, Jesus warns about hell, or so we're told. The English translations use words like hell, eternal fire, and everlasting punishment. These translations have terrified billions of people into compliance, created entire denominations built on fear of the afterlife and justified unspeakable violence in the name of saving souls from eternal torment.
But Jesus never used the word hell. The Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts is Gehenna. And Gehenna wasn't a spiritual concept at all. It was a physical location, the valley of Hinnom just outside Jerusalem. It was the city rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. It was a place of decay, of transformation, of things being broken down and returned to their elements. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid immediate metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood. He was talking about wasted lives. He was saying, “Don't throw your life away. Don't become rubbish.”. The Greek translators used Gehenna, maintaining the reference to this specific location. But by the time medieval translators got to it, disconnected from the geographic and cultural context, they transformed it into hell, a word borrowed from Norse mythology referring to hell, the realm of the dead.
The mistranslation was complete. A metaphor about wasting your life became a doctrine about eternal conscious torment. And here’s my point, no word in Aramaic corresponds to the modern Christian concept of hell. None. The language Jesus spoke didn't have a framework for eternal punishment. It had consequences. Yes, it had natural results of destructive behavior, but the idea of a loving God maintaining an eternal torture facility, that's not in the Aramaic. That came later. You could say this was accidental, but I don’t believe so. I think it was deliberate and done by some very clever people.
The Aramaic was Gehinnam for Greek geenna, and Sheol for Greek hades. You're right that neither of these words necessarily mean endless hellfire, and that Jesus didn't use those words to teach endlessness; but he did use other words to indicate endlessness, including by comparison to the endless life of the righteous. (I identified 45 such Scriptures across all related concepts.) At the same time, this concept has indeed been abused for power dynamics for many centuries.
Mark 9:47-48 quotes Is. 66 and emphasizes the unchanging nature of the worm and fire; comparison to other uses of "unquenchable" indicates a fire that does not go out. Since this is compared to entering the kingdom which refers to the next life, it is read to be more than a metaphor. Now this is the only one I'm confident of that uses geenna with a term of endlessness, but if you want to see the whole list here it is. That uses ordinary grammaticohistorical assumptions about the text, but I haven't found a way to explain away that many references as metaphorical, temporary, or otherwise deprecated.
The Catholics and some others are adopting a doctrine of hopeful universalism that intends to be consistent with the texts, and having studied it I can't gainsay it as long as nobody gets dogmatic about the distant future. But I'm just letting you know the question is much more complicated than dismissing the incorrect veneer that you rightly move past. The fact that we've combined concept in English that were separate in Aramaic and Greek doesn't mean that this misstep annuls what the originals say. Suffice that Moses teaches there is fire in sheol and this was enough to scare the covenant Jews for 1500 years before it got used to scare Gentiles.
It's literally laid out by Christ Himself in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.
And being in hell in torments, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Then he cried, and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame.
Jesus never used the word hell. The Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts is Gehenna. And Gehenna wasn't a spiritual concept at all. It was a physical location, the valley of Hinnom just outside Jerusalem. It was the city rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. It was a place of decay, of transformation, of things being broken down and returned to their elements. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid immediate metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood.
I see you didn't read the parable, which clearly isn't speaking about a physical place. Also, the Gospel of Luke I quoted from was written in Koine Greek and used the word hades.
All I can see is you don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever heard of the discoveries at Nag Hammadi in 1945? The soul moves through these layered realms, facing rulers and illusions until it remembers its origin in the eternal light. Instead of a simple heaven and hell cosmology, the Nag Hamadi texts unveil a multiverse, a structure of realities overlapping and interwoven in which your soul's journey is a process of ascent, awakening, and return.
Modern science is only just beginning to catch up with what these ancient mystics taught. speaking now of multiple dimensions, parallel universes, and hidden layers of reality we cannot yet perceive.
You can't prove anything. You’re lucky intelligence isn’t measured in negative numbers.
How many times do I have to repeat myself? Gehenna is the Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts. The name Gehenna (or Gehennah) is an Aramaic word, contracted from ‘Ge Hinnom,’ i.e. Valley of Hinnom. The Himmon valley is an L-shaped downstream continuation of the Kidron valley, running immediately to the south and then west of the city walls of old Jerusalem. It is currently known as Wadi er-Rababeh. So, it's the Valley of Hinnom, a physical location just outside Jerusalem, which was the city's rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood. He was talking about wasted lives.
Hell, as a word, did not come from the Bible. The word is Germanic in origin and is, ironically, tied to Norse mythology, as a goddess named Hel oversaw the dead in Norse myth. In ancient and early medieval mythology, it was common for the name of the deity of death to also be frequently used to describe the realm of the dead. You can find more details at the Historian's Hut.
So this is who you are. Good to know I'm messaging with another fake Christian (Crypto-Jew). It goes all the way back to the Roman empire which made sure to use propaganda against Gnostics as heretics, which led Gnostics to be persecuted, killed and others to ran away. A small number of Gnostics survived such relentless persecutions. Obviously you have no idea the first Christian state was not Catholic Rome, but a Gnostic one, Osroene, with its capital at Edessa in modern Turkey near the Syrian border. The Gnostic teacher, Bardesanes (or Bardaisan), converted King Abgar IX, who ruled 177-212. Bardesanes was credited by church fathers with inventing the Christian hymn and wrote 150 songs that were popular for generations. The most famous is the “Hymn of the Pearl,” a beautiful allegory of the soul being lost in the world and returning to God, found in The Acts of Thomas, an early 3rd century text. But once the Catholic faction received the official support of the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325, persecution of heretics intensified and the Gnostics went underground and faded away.
I doubt you care about history as much as you care to accuse others of heresy... by "earliest manuscripts" I was referring to the original New Testament texts which were written in Aramaic. These are called the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament. And Aramaic is what Jesus and all his disciples spoke. This is what the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament said before being translated into Greek. Many people, obviously including you, don’t know what Aramaic Peshitta is, and think the original NT was written in Greek, but scholars know better. And this is what scholars of ancient semitic languages have been trying to tell us. This is what the Eastern Christian traditions, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Amorites have reserved in their liturgies, meantime the Western church built an elaborate institution on mistranslations (and deliberate wrong translations).
Both fear of hell and hope of heaven tempt one to ignore perceivable origin for suggested outcome, thereby permitting others to shape; illustrate; direct etc. outcomes.
In response to origin...heaven (to heave) implies ones growth, while hell/heil/hale/hel (whole; entire; all) implies all loss.
Being implies heaven (life) within hell (inception towards death)...both hope and fear tempts one to ignore that.
Being (life) put in line (inception towards death) implies in-between aka as above/so below...not into an under vs over conflict.
Correct. Throughout the four Gospels included in the NT, Jesus warns about hell, or so we're told. The English translations use words like hell, eternal fire, and everlasting punishment. These translations have terrified billions of people into compliance, created entire denominations built on fear of the afterlife and justified unspeakable violence in the name of saving souls from eternal torment.
But Jesus never used the word hell. The Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts is Gehenna. And Gehenna wasn't a spiritual concept at all. It was a physical location, the valley of Hinnom just outside Jerusalem. It was the city rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. It was a place of decay, of transformation, of things being broken down and returned to their elements. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid immediate metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood. He was talking about wasted lives. He was saying, “Don't throw your life away. Don't become rubbish.”. The Greek translators used Gehenna, maintaining the reference to this specific location. But by the time medieval translators got to it, disconnected from the geographic and cultural context, they transformed it into hell, a word borrowed from Norse mythology referring to hell, the realm of the dead.
The mistranslation was complete. A metaphor about wasting your life became a doctrine about eternal conscious torment. And here’s my point, no word in Aramaic corresponds to the modern Christian concept of hell. None. The language Jesus spoke didn't have a framework for eternal punishment. It had consequences. Yes, it had natural results of destructive behavior, but the idea of a loving God maintaining an eternal torture facility, that's not in the Aramaic. That came later. You could say this was accidental, but I don’t believe so. I think it was deliberate and done by some very clever people.
The Aramaic was Gehinnam for Greek geenna, and Sheol for Greek hades. You're right that neither of these words necessarily mean endless hellfire, and that Jesus didn't use those words to teach endlessness; but he did use other words to indicate endlessness, including by comparison to the endless life of the righteous. (I identified 45 such Scriptures across all related concepts.) At the same time, this concept has indeed been abused for power dynamics for many centuries.
Mark 9:47-48 quotes Is. 66 and emphasizes the unchanging nature of the worm and fire; comparison to other uses of "unquenchable" indicates a fire that does not go out. Since this is compared to entering the kingdom which refers to the next life, it is read to be more than a metaphor. Now this is the only one I'm confident of that uses geenna with a term of endlessness, but if you want to see the whole list here it is. That uses ordinary grammaticohistorical assumptions about the text, but I haven't found a way to explain away that many references as metaphorical, temporary, or otherwise deprecated.
The Catholics and some others are adopting a doctrine of hopeful universalism that intends to be consistent with the texts, and having studied it I can't gainsay it as long as nobody gets dogmatic about the distant future. But I'm just letting you know the question is much more complicated than dismissing the incorrect veneer that you rightly move past. The fact that we've combined concept in English that were separate in Aramaic and Greek doesn't mean that this misstep annuls what the originals say. Suffice that Moses teaches there is fire in sheol and this was enough to scare the covenant Jews for 1500 years before it got used to scare Gentiles.
It's literally laid out by Christ Himself in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2016%3A19-31&version=GNV
Jesus never used the word hell. The Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts is Gehenna. And Gehenna wasn't a spiritual concept at all. It was a physical location, the valley of Hinnom just outside Jerusalem. It was the city rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. It was a place of decay, of transformation, of things being broken down and returned to their elements. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid immediate metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood.
I see you didn't read the parable, which clearly isn't speaking about a physical place. Also, the Gospel of Luke I quoted from was written in Koine Greek and used the word hades.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/16.htm
All I can see is you don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever heard of the discoveries at Nag Hammadi in 1945? The soul moves through these layered realms, facing rulers and illusions until it remembers its origin in the eternal light. Instead of a simple heaven and hell cosmology, the Nag Hamadi texts unveil a multiverse, a structure of realities overlapping and interwoven in which your soul's journey is a process of ascent, awakening, and return.
Modern science is only just beginning to catch up with what these ancient mystics taught. speaking now of multiple dimensions, parallel universes, and hidden layers of reality we cannot yet perceive.
So, you're just going to change the subject, now that you were proven wrong on the Aramaic thing?
You can't prove anything. You’re lucky intelligence isn’t measured in negative numbers.
How many times do I have to repeat myself? Gehenna is the Aramaic word that appears in the earliest manuscripts. The name Gehenna (or Gehennah) is an Aramaic word, contracted from ‘Ge Hinnom,’ i.e. Valley of Hinnom. The Himmon valley is an L-shaped downstream continuation of the Kidron valley, running immediately to the south and then west of the city walls of old Jerusalem. It is currently known as Wadi er-Rababeh. So, it's the Valley of Hinnom, a physical location just outside Jerusalem, which was the city's rubbish dump where fires burned continuously to consume waste. When Jesus warned about Gehenna, he was using a vivid metaphor that his audience would have instantly understood. He was talking about wasted lives.
Hell, as a word, did not come from the Bible. The word is Germanic in origin and is, ironically, tied to Norse mythology, as a goddess named Hel oversaw the dead in Norse myth. In ancient and early medieval mythology, it was common for the name of the deity of death to also be frequently used to describe the realm of the dead. You can find more details at the Historian's Hut.
"Earliest", meaning the theological fanfiction gnostic heretics wrote.
So this is who you are. Good to know I'm messaging with another fake Christian (Crypto-Jew). It goes all the way back to the Roman empire which made sure to use propaganda against Gnostics as heretics, which led Gnostics to be persecuted, killed and others to ran away. A small number of Gnostics survived such relentless persecutions. Obviously you have no idea the first Christian state was not Catholic Rome, but a Gnostic one, Osroene, with its capital at Edessa in modern Turkey near the Syrian border. The Gnostic teacher, Bardesanes (or Bardaisan), converted King Abgar IX, who ruled 177-212. Bardesanes was credited by church fathers with inventing the Christian hymn and wrote 150 songs that were popular for generations. The most famous is the “Hymn of the Pearl,” a beautiful allegory of the soul being lost in the world and returning to God, found in The Acts of Thomas, an early 3rd century text. But once the Catholic faction received the official support of the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325, persecution of heretics intensified and the Gnostics went underground and faded away.
I doubt you care about history as much as you care to accuse others of heresy... by "earliest manuscripts" I was referring to the original New Testament texts which were written in Aramaic. These are called the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament. And Aramaic is what Jesus and all his disciples spoke. This is what the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament said before being translated into Greek. Many people, obviously including you, don’t know what Aramaic Peshitta is, and think the original NT was written in Greek, but scholars know better. And this is what scholars of ancient semitic languages have been trying to tell us. This is what the Eastern Christian traditions, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Amorites have reserved in their liturgies, meantime the Western church built an elaborate institution on mistranslations (and deliberate wrong translations).