Hey Dot, we've had quite a few here who are leery of Paul and who prefer the gnostic corpus. There are also a few of us who follow Christ as he's revealed (including through the Bible) who have very similar and predictable takes, you might call us trads but every one of us is unique and none strike me as straitlaced here. The best way for these two groups to get to talk IMHO is to continue working out areas of agreement.
u/Thisisnotanexit isn't making accusations, she just really likes Paul and is seeking out what you do believe after your strong statements of not believing Paul. I repeated a question to you in a separate ping, that's a fine place to pick things up again. Or if you want to continue on this track, I can tell you TINAE and I are happy to learn about your positive experience of Jesus but somehow things started off on your negative experience of Paul instead. So it's good to know that you do have a system other than just "modern Christianity is distorted". I'm all for primitive, original Christianity, and can sound very gnostic, but there doesn't seem to be much there that isn't compatible with the stuff added on later. If you can indicate how we can know historical facts about folks like Paul and Jesus, so that we use the same objective methods and come to the same facts, then that helps us determine what to do with those facts.
i don't have a negative experience of Paul. But, I do have a lot of questions. And, IMO, there are many contradictions in the Bible when it comes to Paul... if you read carefully. To me Paul is nothing more than an intelligence asset working on behalf of Roman imperial interests to neutralize the most dangerous threat the empire had ever faced, Jewish fanaticism.
Let me give you an example, Paul decides to go to Damascus to destroy the Jesus movement there. But on the road to Damascus, something extraordinary happens. He sees a blinding light. He hears the voice of Jesus saying, "Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting me and my people?" And at this moment, Paul has what we now call a Damascus moment, a sudden conversion, a complete reversal of belief. And Paul at this point becomes a fanatical follower of Jesus, even though he never met Jesus in life and never met any of Jesus's original disciples. This is extremely weird, but he becomes convinced that he understands Jesus's message better than anyone. And he decides he's going to spread this message to everyone throughout the Roman Empire. So what does Paul do? He starts going to synagogues around the empire telling Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. And he begins to build the structure and organization that will become Christianity. Now, at this point, they're not called Christians. They're still Jews. And the Jesus movement is considered a branch of Judaism. But Paul introduces several radical innovations. Everything I just described to you to me seems like taken right out of a CIA or Mossad manual. None of it makes any sense to me.
I'm all for primitive, original Christianity, and can sound very gnostic
I don't sound Gnostic to me, you sound like someone who has one foot in the OT and the other in the NT. Someone who believes Jesus was sent by Yahweh to save a world which doesn't want to be saved.
Why start there? Why not evangelize your message of how you hope to defeat the matrix and the rules of reincarnation?
Attacking a story because it sounds contradictory (though there may be a number of omitted factors, like the 14 years Paul was silent as per Gal. 2:1) is usually not a firm place to begin. It sounds confrontational.
I don't sound Gnostic to me
Jesus taught that everyone has the divine spark within them and through right action through cultivating that spark you achieve enlightenment, salvation, liberation.
What words did Jesus use that you think should be defined as "divine spark"? How about "right action"? How about "enlightenment" and "liberation"? How can we determine what Jesus taught if we paraphrase all his words? He said "Thy faith hath saved thee." He said to the thief on the cross "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Thanks for your understanding.
Here's the link again to where I asked you previously (and still would love to know), "Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?":
OK. I could give you an answer to this question, but I'm not sure you will understand. If you believe Jesus's death was the substitution/sacrifice for our sins, and salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone, as the Church teaches... then you will have a hard time grasping what I'm about to say.
I believe Jesus was the prototype for a special mission. He wasn't a sacrifice to an angry god, Yahweh. He was a messenger sent into hostile territory to plant a virus of truth into the matrix code. And some of us are the sleeper cells he left behind. If I haven't lost you by now then it's a miracle: "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.".
So how do you distinguish between a mental fantasy and a genuine spiritual mandate? How do you know if you are truly a volunteer or just someone with a vivid imagination? The Monad provides hints. If you are truly called, you will possess these three non-negotiable signatures:
the glass wall: you have felt a distinct separation from the rest of the world your entire life. It wasn't just shyness. It was a cognitive distance. You look at other people, even your own biological family, and you think, "I am not like them. I am observing them.". You have spent your life studying human behavior.
matrix lag (synchronicity). The lag time between your internal thought and external reality is collapsing. You think of a specific concept and a stranger says that exact word seconds later. You have a question in your mind and the radio answers it literally. This isn't coincidence. It is rendering speed. Your frequency is rising so high that the matrix is struggling to buffer your reality. You know before it happens.
Gnosis (Greeks called it gnosis for “knowledge” or “insight”). This is observed through direct experience. Your body is a lie detector. When you hear undeniable truth, your biology reacts before your brain does. You get truth chills. That sudden rush of electricity down your spine or a sudden heat in your chest. An unexplained urge to weep from the sheer relief of recognition. It's like your soul's encryption key matching the signal. Your mind might have doubts, but deep inside of you there is the knowledge.
However, the moment you accept the mission and begin to raise your frequency, the matrix will notice. The simulation is designed to keep energy low, stable, and predictable. A state of homeostasis. When the spark inside of you starts to glow the system treats you like a virus, a foreign object that threatens the stability of the illusion. I'll call this the matrix immune response for a lack of a better term. The system will try to drag you back down. It might be subtle, a sudden wave of unexplained fatigue hits you. Or it might be more direct, Agent Smith logic. Then you know you are awake.
Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?
Neither. It's all about raising your frequency level. That's what I want.
Thank you so much, Dot! That's very positive. I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers, glass wall, matrix lag, gnosis, but I've talked to enough people that I forget who said it. I don't have a direct problem with that as it aligns with Christian mystics, for example Jeanne Guyon.
So you want to raise frequency level in the short term. I'm a bit confused because I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever as a human life (or else is annihilated). That would imply you have some plans about death, which is what I was implicitly asking about. Since I plan my life to continue forever as a human life despite human death, by God's grace, I don't have a problem with certainty about it being the "last time". But I'm not sure what better plan you can propose than trusting Jesus alone, both the uniqueness of who he is and the example of what he did.
If you want to make your "frequency" as high as possible then repent, believe in Jesus, be Saved, follow God. It's good to be baptized too for 'more hertz'. Fight your desires to commit lust, idolatry, envy, etc. Sin 'lowers your vibe'.
Hey Dot, we've had quite a few here who are leery of Paul and who prefer the gnostic corpus. There are also a few of us who follow Christ as he's revealed (including through the Bible) who have very similar and predictable takes, you might call us trads but every one of us is unique and none strike me as straitlaced here. The best way for these two groups to get to talk IMHO is to continue working out areas of agreement.
u/Thisisnotanexit isn't making accusations, she just really likes Paul and is seeking out what you do believe after your strong statements of not believing Paul. I repeated a question to you in a separate ping, that's a fine place to pick things up again. Or if you want to continue on this track, I can tell you TINAE and I are happy to learn about your positive experience of Jesus but somehow things started off on your negative experience of Paul instead. So it's good to know that you do have a system other than just "modern Christianity is distorted". I'm all for primitive, original Christianity, and can sound very gnostic, but there doesn't seem to be much there that isn't compatible with the stuff added on later. If you can indicate how we can know historical facts about folks like Paul and Jesus, so that we use the same objective methods and come to the same facts, then that helps us determine what to do with those facts.
i don't have a negative experience of Paul. But, I do have a lot of questions. And, IMO, there are many contradictions in the Bible when it comes to Paul... if you read carefully. To me Paul is nothing more than an intelligence asset working on behalf of Roman imperial interests to neutralize the most dangerous threat the empire had ever faced, Jewish fanaticism.
Let me give you an example, Paul decides to go to Damascus to destroy the Jesus movement there. But on the road to Damascus, something extraordinary happens. He sees a blinding light. He hears the voice of Jesus saying, "Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting me and my people?" And at this moment, Paul has what we now call a Damascus moment, a sudden conversion, a complete reversal of belief. And Paul at this point becomes a fanatical follower of Jesus, even though he never met Jesus in life and never met any of Jesus's original disciples. This is extremely weird, but he becomes convinced that he understands Jesus's message better than anyone. And he decides he's going to spread this message to everyone throughout the Roman Empire. So what does Paul do? He starts going to synagogues around the empire telling Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. And he begins to build the structure and organization that will become Christianity. Now, at this point, they're not called Christians. They're still Jews. And the Jesus movement is considered a branch of Judaism. But Paul introduces several radical innovations. Everything I just described to you to me seems like taken right out of a CIA or Mossad manual. None of it makes any sense to me.
I don't sound Gnostic to me, you sound like someone who has one foot in the OT and the other in the NT. Someone who believes Jesus was sent by Yahweh to save a world which doesn't want to be saved.
Why start there? Why not evangelize your message of how you hope to defeat the matrix and the rules of reincarnation?
Attacking a story because it sounds contradictory (though there may be a number of omitted factors, like the 14 years Paul was silent as per Gal. 2:1) is usually not a firm place to begin. It sounds confrontational.
What words did Jesus use that you think should be defined as "divine spark"? How about "right action"? How about "enlightenment" and "liberation"? How can we determine what Jesus taught if we paraphrase all his words? He said "Thy faith hath saved thee." He said to the thief on the cross "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Thanks for your understanding.
Here's the link again to where I asked you previously (and still would love to know), "Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?":
https://scored.co/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARdD7M2eP/the-us-is-a-corporation-/c/4eXvadgBPWi
OK. I could give you an answer to this question, but I'm not sure you will understand. If you believe Jesus's death was the substitution/sacrifice for our sins, and salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone, as the Church teaches... then you will have a hard time grasping what I'm about to say.
I believe Jesus was the prototype for a special mission. He wasn't a sacrifice to an angry god, Yahweh. He was a messenger sent into hostile territory to plant a virus of truth into the matrix code. And some of us are the sleeper cells he left behind. If I haven't lost you by now then it's a miracle: "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.".
So how do you distinguish between a mental fantasy and a genuine spiritual mandate? How do you know if you are truly a volunteer or just someone with a vivid imagination? The Monad provides hints. If you are truly called, you will possess these three non-negotiable signatures:
However, the moment you accept the mission and begin to raise your frequency, the matrix will notice. The simulation is designed to keep energy low, stable, and predictable. A state of homeostasis. When the spark inside of you starts to glow the system treats you like a virus, a foreign object that threatens the stability of the illusion. I'll call this the matrix immune response for a lack of a better term. The system will try to drag you back down. It might be subtle, a sudden wave of unexplained fatigue hits you. Or it might be more direct, Agent Smith logic. Then you know you are awake.
Neither. It's all about raising your frequency level. That's what I want.
Thank you so much, Dot! That's very positive. I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers, glass wall, matrix lag, gnosis, but I've talked to enough people that I forget who said it. I don't have a direct problem with that as it aligns with Christian mystics, for example Jeanne Guyon.
So you want to raise frequency level in the short term. I'm a bit confused because I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever as a human life (or else is annihilated). That would imply you have some plans about death, which is what I was implicitly asking about. Since I plan my life to continue forever as a human life despite human death, by God's grace, I don't have a problem with certainty about it being the "last time". But I'm not sure what better plan you can propose than trusting Jesus alone, both the uniqueness of who he is and the example of what he did.
If you want to make your "frequency" as high as possible then repent, believe in Jesus, be Saved, follow God. It's good to be baptized too for 'more hertz'. Fight your desires to commit lust, idolatry, envy, etc. Sin 'lowers your vibe'.