OK. I could give you an answer to this question, but I'm not sure you will understand. If you believe Jesus's death was the substitution/sacrifice for our sins, and salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone, as the Church teaches... then you will have a hard time grasping what I'm about to say.
I believe Jesus was the prototype for a special mission. He wasn't a sacrifice to an angry god, Yahweh. He was a messenger sent into hostile territory to plant a virus of truth into the matrix code. And some of us are the sleeper cells he left behind. If I haven't lost you by now then it's a miracle: "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.".
So how do you distinguish between a mental fantasy and a genuine spiritual mandate? How do you know if you are truly a volunteer or just someone with a vivid imagination? The Monad provides hints. If you are truly called, you will possess these three non-negotiable signatures:
the glass wall: you have felt a distinct separation from the rest of the world your entire life. It wasn't just shyness. It was a cognitive distance. You look at other people, even your own biological family, and you think, "I am not like them. I am observing them.". You have spent your life studying human behavior.
matrix lag (synchronicity). The lag time between your internal thought and external reality is collapsing. You think of a specific concept and a stranger says that exact word seconds later. You have a question in your mind and the radio answers it literally. This isn't coincidence. It is rendering speed. Your frequency is rising so high that the matrix is struggling to buffer your reality. You know before it happens.
Gnosis (Greeks called it gnosis for “knowledge” or “insight”). This is observed through direct experience. Your body is a lie detector. When you hear undeniable truth, your biology reacts before your brain does. You get truth chills. That sudden rush of electricity down your spine or a sudden heat in your chest. An unexplained urge to weep from the sheer relief of recognition. It's like your soul's encryption key matching the signal. Your mind might have doubts, but deep inside of you there is the knowledge.
However, the moment you accept the mission and begin to raise your frequency, the matrix will notice. The simulation is designed to keep energy low, stable, and predictable. A state of homeostasis. When the spark inside of you starts to glow the system treats you like a virus, a foreign object that threatens the stability of the illusion. I'll call this the matrix immune response for a lack of a better term. The system will try to drag you back down. It might be subtle, a sudden wave of unexplained fatigue hits you. Or it might be more direct, Agent Smith logic. Then you know you are awake.
Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?
Neither. It's all about raising your frequency level. That's what I want.
Thank you so much, Dot! That's very positive. I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers, glass wall, matrix lag, gnosis, but I've talked to enough people that I forget who said it. I don't have a direct problem with that as it aligns with Christian mystics, for example Jeanne Guyon.
So you want to raise frequency level in the short term. I'm a bit confused because I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever as a human life (or else is annihilated). That would imply you have some plans about death, which is what I was implicitly asking about. Since I plan my life to continue forever as a human life despite human death, by God's grace, I don't have a problem with certainty about it being the "last time". But I'm not sure what better plan you can propose than trusting Jesus alone, both the uniqueness of who he is and the example of what he did.
I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers
Amazing, as I was writing about the three non-negotiable signatures or markers, I knew you were going to say this.
I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever
I can understand why you are a bit confused. Let me attempt to bring some clarity, thou it is a very complex issue. IMO, our souls live forever, in the universe death doesn't exist because after you die your soul goes up to the astral plane to the divine, the Pleroma. Which is where it came from in the first place. So you your soul can never die. All you have to do is recognize that you are the divine spark. And as we imagine, we participate in the universe, we change the universe. And we focus on a certain reality, that reality becomes manifest. It becomes reality itself. And by living in the memories of others, we become immortal like Jesus. And by constructing our lives in a way that allows for Jesus to return, we can resurrect Jesus in ourselves. I hope this makes sense. This is a secret, the secret of the universe. The secret to immortality, reincarnation, and godhood. The secret that religions have passed on through thousands of years of human history and which schools, science, government, all the powers that be (TPTB) try to suppress because is a direct threat to this reality.
But, like I said before this reality is false. TPTB want to make it real because they derive power from this reality. Everything that we've been taught in school, everything that we've learned in science class, it is complete and utter nonsense. This is what's true. You must abandon this material reality that is false. Abandon money, power, sex, fame and focus on connecting to the spark inside of you. And when you do that, the universe comes into you. Christians want to be possessed by Jesus. They want Jesus to enter them and resurrect Jesus, create the Christ consciousness in them. In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says, "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.". It's a simple but revolutionary statement. What Jesus proposes here is not salvation through blind faith but through inner understanding. Immortality according to him is not in the body but in the awareness that recognizes its divine origin. In another passage he says the kingdom of God is not in the sky nor in the sea. The kingdom is within you and outside of you. When you come to know yourselves you will be known and you will understand that you are the children of the living God. This teaching is deeply philosophical and very different from later Christianity.
That would imply you have some plans about death
I do. But, this is a deep rabbit hole. I probably should create a separate reply just for this. IMO, what we've been told about death isn't the full truth. Behind all the comforting stories of the afterlife, I believe lies a truth far more profound than anything we've been led to believe. Again not by accident, but by design. I don't believe death frees you, but instead recycles you. Most people, not only Christians, believe when they die they are walking into freedom, when in reality, they may be stepping into the oldest trap in the universe. If you are to believe what I just said, if the afterlife is a trap, then what happens to you when you die? And more importantly, how do you escape it? this is the question many are asking. And this is not something you find out in the Sunday church, and it's not the love and light story of the New Age movement. This is the knowledge that was suppressed, buried, and branded as heresy for a very long time. So much to say here, looks like it's best I create a separate reply and send it later.
Here is the earlier discussion. I'm pinging u/jamesbillison (use "u/" to ping) so you two can meet each other, if you choose. Christian mystics have experiences like prior knowledge all the time so there are existing ways to talk about them safely.
And by living in the memories of others, we become immortal like Jesus. And by constructing our lives in a way that allows for Jesus to return, we can resurrect Jesus in ourselves.
That does happen .... and we carry on those who have gone before, including Jesus, in our individual consciousnesses. And yet the individual's consciousness itself has some continuation; it takes on individuation at conception, before which it could only be called a temporal plan in the Pleroma, not an extant consciousness. After death the individuation persists according to rules hard for mortals to describe; it is not spirit-body consciousness nor Pleroma consciousness but has commonalities with both.
Most people, not only Christians, believe when they die they are walking into freedom, when in reality, they may be stepping into the oldest trap in the universe.
Death certainly isn't an absolute freedom because Christians believe in a final reconciliation of all the physical and one's expression in body is not inferior to one's expression in spirit, but lateral to it. (You might like my recent inspiration on dimensions, in which the bodily and spiritual dimensions describe the same reality.) To teach that death "liberates" from the body isn't exactly Christian because of this continuing concern for the apokatastasis of the body (the "resurrection"). Now a lot of American Christianity, and all of Hollywood churchianity, teaches that death makes you an angel and that's the eternal destiny, but those who read the Bible realize that it's an "intermediate state" and there is an even more glorious new creation than the immediate spiritual state after death. The fact that one might be free from bodily corruptions doesn't free people from (1) connection to those who remain and (2) future conscious activity among them.
If you are to believe what I just said, if the afterlife is a trap, then what happens to you when you die? And more importantly, how do you escape it? this is the question many are asking. And this is not something you find out in the Sunday church, and it's not the love and light story of the New Age movement. This is the knowledge that was suppressed, buried, and branded as heresy for a very long time.
In a sense nobody escapes the trap of death, because "life is a 100% fatal STD". But the afterlife reflects the earthly life, so everything we do every day contributes to what happens after death. The Christian answer is apokatastasis (that's Paul's word, but if we asked Peter and John we'd get the same meaning). Namely, a day will come when God will reconcile everything and reveal the meaning of the experience we call physical, and the new experience will be transcendently both physical and spiritual (I'm still working on the definition of that). This is foreshadowed by credible testimonies of that transcendence manifesting in the present, such as in NDEs or in glory displays. These evidences show aspects of what will be available to all. The "rapture" concept is that some will repeat the experience attributed to Enoch and Elijah and enter the final state without any intermediate state, or any dying, and anyone can respond to this gracious offer any day by growing towards it.
So the action plan I recommend is (1) recognize Jesus Christ (the man and the divinity) as guide, (2) practice the experience of the presence of Christ every day (humorously called "rapture practice", but also consistent with glass wall experience without loss of earthly faculties), (3) actuate in God's timing the promise of greater experiences that are glorification and transfiguration, and (4) prepare for theosis regardless of whether it comes by "death" or "rapture".
You might have something very similar, or very different, but Conspiracies is a fine forum for both. We also have some discussion about experience at c/Christianity (the original Scored forum for trads) and sometimes c/ChristianAnarchism (no moderator so all professions of Christianity appear and all nonprofessions too). The new forum c/HolySeekersOfTheWay is geared for this kind of discussion but there isn't much history there, but at least it's insulated from a large chunk of the Conspiracies crowd who just isn't interested.
Then TPTB don't actually exist and nothing you say is correct. I don't get why people try to claim that reality is false. Literally nobody acts like they believe it, so why bother?
I don't get why people try to claim that reality is false
Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished and he will rule over all.". This is Plato's allegory of the cave. If you don't know it, go ahead and do a search... it's a wonderful story told by Plato. The prisoner who escapes the cave and sees the real world with sunlight? At first, it's painful. It's confusing. The light blinds him. But if he persists, eventually he sees the truth. And then he returns to the cave with knowledge and wisdom that the other prisoners don't have. So the spiritual path is painful. It involves confusion and struggle. But if you persist, you will see reality as it truly is.
If you want to make your "frequency" as high as possible then repent, believe in Jesus, be Saved, follow God. It's good to be baptized too for 'more hertz'. Fight your desires to commit lust, idolatry, envy, etc. Sin 'lowers your vibe'.
Really? let me tell you a story about baptism. But, I don't think you will agree with the ending. You know that Jesus had a teacher, his teacher was John the Baptist. And John the Baptist was what we call an apocalyptic preacher, meaning he preached about the end times, about the apocalypse, about the day when God would return to earth and establish his kingdom. Pretty much as many Christian groups preach today. John's message was essentially this. I will reveal the future to you. And the future is that God is coming and God will destroy the evil people in the world. So right now is your opportunity to redeem yourself from your sins, to start a new life, to repent and be baptized because God is coming and we must prepare for the return of God. That was John the Baptist's message and Jesus was one of his students, one of his disciples.
But, shortly after the baptism of Jesus, this is when things started to go awfully wrong with John's movement. So, his student stopped believing in his teachings and broke away. This student, Jesus started to create his own following, which suggests that Jesus was preaching a message that was different from John the Baptist. He wasn't repeating what his teacher said. He was developing his own interpretation, his own vision, his own understanding of what was coming and what people needed to do to prepare. His message was different and people paid attention to it. And we know this from historical and archaeological findings. It is one of the things we found confirming the historical Jesus.
I have many times and also I have looked at different translations. Even the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament original before being translated into Greek.
OK. I could give you an answer to this question, but I'm not sure you will understand. If you believe Jesus's death was the substitution/sacrifice for our sins, and salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone, as the Church teaches... then you will have a hard time grasping what I'm about to say.
I believe Jesus was the prototype for a special mission. He wasn't a sacrifice to an angry god, Yahweh. He was a messenger sent into hostile territory to plant a virus of truth into the matrix code. And some of us are the sleeper cells he left behind. If I haven't lost you by now then it's a miracle: "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.".
So how do you distinguish between a mental fantasy and a genuine spiritual mandate? How do you know if you are truly a volunteer or just someone with a vivid imagination? The Monad provides hints. If you are truly called, you will possess these three non-negotiable signatures:
However, the moment you accept the mission and begin to raise your frequency, the matrix will notice. The simulation is designed to keep energy low, stable, and predictable. A state of homeostasis. When the spark inside of you starts to glow the system treats you like a virus, a foreign object that threatens the stability of the illusion. I'll call this the matrix immune response for a lack of a better term. The system will try to drag you back down. It might be subtle, a sudden wave of unexplained fatigue hits you. Or it might be more direct, Agent Smith logic. Then you know you are awake.
Neither. It's all about raising your frequency level. That's what I want.
Thank you so much, Dot! That's very positive. I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers, glass wall, matrix lag, gnosis, but I've talked to enough people that I forget who said it. I don't have a direct problem with that as it aligns with Christian mystics, for example Jeanne Guyon.
So you want to raise frequency level in the short term. I'm a bit confused because I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever as a human life (or else is annihilated). That would imply you have some plans about death, which is what I was implicitly asking about. Since I plan my life to continue forever as a human life despite human death, by God's grace, I don't have a problem with certainty about it being the "last time". But I'm not sure what better plan you can propose than trusting Jesus alone, both the uniqueness of who he is and the example of what he did.
Amazing, as I was writing about the three non-negotiable signatures or markers, I knew you were going to say this.
I can understand why you are a bit confused. Let me attempt to bring some clarity, thou it is a very complex issue. IMO, our souls live forever, in the universe death doesn't exist because after you die your soul goes up to the astral plane to the divine, the Pleroma. Which is where it came from in the first place. So you your soul can never die. All you have to do is recognize that you are the divine spark. And as we imagine, we participate in the universe, we change the universe. And we focus on a certain reality, that reality becomes manifest. It becomes reality itself. And by living in the memories of others, we become immortal like Jesus. And by constructing our lives in a way that allows for Jesus to return, we can resurrect Jesus in ourselves. I hope this makes sense. This is a secret, the secret of the universe. The secret to immortality, reincarnation, and godhood. The secret that religions have passed on through thousands of years of human history and which schools, science, government, all the powers that be (TPTB) try to suppress because is a direct threat to this reality.
But, like I said before this reality is false. TPTB want to make it real because they derive power from this reality. Everything that we've been taught in school, everything that we've learned in science class, it is complete and utter nonsense. This is what's true. You must abandon this material reality that is false. Abandon money, power, sex, fame and focus on connecting to the spark inside of you. And when you do that, the universe comes into you. Christians want to be possessed by Jesus. They want Jesus to enter them and resurrect Jesus, create the Christ consciousness in them. In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says, "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.". It's a simple but revolutionary statement. What Jesus proposes here is not salvation through blind faith but through inner understanding. Immortality according to him is not in the body but in the awareness that recognizes its divine origin. In another passage he says the kingdom of God is not in the sky nor in the sea. The kingdom is within you and outside of you. When you come to know yourselves you will be known and you will understand that you are the children of the living God. This teaching is deeply philosophical and very different from later Christianity.
I do. But, this is a deep rabbit hole. I probably should create a separate reply just for this. IMO, what we've been told about death isn't the full truth. Behind all the comforting stories of the afterlife, I believe lies a truth far more profound than anything we've been led to believe. Again not by accident, but by design. I don't believe death frees you, but instead recycles you. Most people, not only Christians, believe when they die they are walking into freedom, when in reality, they may be stepping into the oldest trap in the universe. If you are to believe what I just said, if the afterlife is a trap, then what happens to you when you die? And more importantly, how do you escape it? this is the question many are asking. And this is not something you find out in the Sunday church, and it's not the love and light story of the New Age movement. This is the knowledge that was suppressed, buried, and branded as heresy for a very long time. So much to say here, looks like it's best I create a separate reply and send it later.
Here is the earlier discussion. I'm pinging u/jamesbillison (use "u/" to ping) so you two can meet each other, if you choose. Christian mystics have experiences like prior knowledge all the time so there are existing ways to talk about them safely.
That does happen .... and we carry on those who have gone before, including Jesus, in our individual consciousnesses. And yet the individual's consciousness itself has some continuation; it takes on individuation at conception, before which it could only be called a temporal plan in the Pleroma, not an extant consciousness. After death the individuation persists according to rules hard for mortals to describe; it is not spirit-body consciousness nor Pleroma consciousness but has commonalities with both.
Death certainly isn't an absolute freedom because Christians believe in a final reconciliation of all the physical and one's expression in body is not inferior to one's expression in spirit, but lateral to it. (You might like my recent inspiration on dimensions, in which the bodily and spiritual dimensions describe the same reality.) To teach that death "liberates" from the body isn't exactly Christian because of this continuing concern for the apokatastasis of the body (the "resurrection"). Now a lot of American Christianity, and all of Hollywood churchianity, teaches that death makes you an angel and that's the eternal destiny, but those who read the Bible realize that it's an "intermediate state" and there is an even more glorious new creation than the immediate spiritual state after death. The fact that one might be free from bodily corruptions doesn't free people from (1) connection to those who remain and (2) future conscious activity among them.
In a sense nobody escapes the trap of death, because "life is a 100% fatal STD". But the afterlife reflects the earthly life, so everything we do every day contributes to what happens after death. The Christian answer is apokatastasis (that's Paul's word, but if we asked Peter and John we'd get the same meaning). Namely, a day will come when God will reconcile everything and reveal the meaning of the experience we call physical, and the new experience will be transcendently both physical and spiritual (I'm still working on the definition of that). This is foreshadowed by credible testimonies of that transcendence manifesting in the present, such as in NDEs or in glory displays. These evidences show aspects of what will be available to all. The "rapture" concept is that some will repeat the experience attributed to Enoch and Elijah and enter the final state without any intermediate state, or any dying, and anyone can respond to this gracious offer any day by growing towards it.
So the action plan I recommend is (1) recognize Jesus Christ (the man and the divinity) as guide, (2) practice the experience of the presence of Christ every day (humorously called "rapture practice", but also consistent with glass wall experience without loss of earthly faculties), (3) actuate in God's timing the promise of greater experiences that are glorification and transfiguration, and (4) prepare for theosis regardless of whether it comes by "death" or "rapture".
You might have something very similar, or very different, but Conspiracies is a fine forum for both. We also have some discussion about experience at c/Christianity (the original Scored forum for trads) and sometimes c/ChristianAnarchism (no moderator so all professions of Christianity appear and all nonprofessions too). The new forum c/HolySeekersOfTheWay is geared for this kind of discussion but there isn't much history there, but at least it's insulated from a large chunk of the Conspiracies crowd who just isn't interested.
Don't bother... that is my alt.
Then TPTB don't actually exist and nothing you say is correct. I don't get why people try to claim that reality is false. Literally nobody acts like they believe it, so why bother?
Why be an Orwellian doublethinker?
Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished and he will rule over all.". This is Plato's allegory of the cave. If you don't know it, go ahead and do a search... it's a wonderful story told by Plato. The prisoner who escapes the cave and sees the real world with sunlight? At first, it's painful. It's confusing. The light blinds him. But if he persists, eventually he sees the truth. And then he returns to the cave with knowledge and wisdom that the other prisoners don't have. So the spiritual path is painful. It involves confusion and struggle. But if you persist, you will see reality as it truly is.
If you want to make your "frequency" as high as possible then repent, believe in Jesus, be Saved, follow God. It's good to be baptized too for 'more hertz'. Fight your desires to commit lust, idolatry, envy, etc. Sin 'lowers your vibe'.
Really? let me tell you a story about baptism. But, I don't think you will agree with the ending. You know that Jesus had a teacher, his teacher was John the Baptist. And John the Baptist was what we call an apocalyptic preacher, meaning he preached about the end times, about the apocalypse, about the day when God would return to earth and establish his kingdom. Pretty much as many Christian groups preach today. John's message was essentially this. I will reveal the future to you. And the future is that God is coming and God will destroy the evil people in the world. So right now is your opportunity to redeem yourself from your sins, to start a new life, to repent and be baptized because God is coming and we must prepare for the return of God. That was John the Baptist's message and Jesus was one of his students, one of his disciples.
But, shortly after the baptism of Jesus, this is when things started to go awfully wrong with John's movement. So, his student stopped believing in his teachings and broke away. This student, Jesus started to create his own following, which suggests that Jesus was preaching a message that was different from John the Baptist. He wasn't repeating what his teacher said. He was developing his own interpretation, his own vision, his own understanding of what was coming and what people needed to do to prepare. His message was different and people paid attention to it. And we know this from historical and archaeological findings. It is one of the things we found confirming the historical Jesus.
Read Revelation. This "conflict theory" is false. It's not one vs the other, it's one AND the other.
I have many times and also I have looked at different translations. Even the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament original before being translated into Greek.