I'm rabbi for telling you you shouldn't love jews? Makes total sense.
Why did Jesus command His followers to buy a sword? Why did He call the pharisees vipers and sons of the Satan? Why did He whip the moneychangers in the Temple? Because He loved them so much?
Is Christ the God of the OT who gave the Mosaic law?
Face it - you don't follow the Christianity of the early Church established by Christ. You follow the judaized subverted fake and gay Christianity that came 15c after Christ where each individual is their own Pope with zero regard for tradition. Your translation of the OT is based on the Masoretic texts (jewish Torah) and not on the Septuagint which was used in the NT. Do you care to guess why is that?
Except you're wrong. All those questions with zero Scripture to corroborate your bad opinion. It's almost like you are leaning on your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
I'm not interested in your opinion about the Word of God. I'm only interested in the Word of God. You can have a vengeful heart if you so choose though but.. first consider the levity of the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:23-35. Right now, you're the unforgiving servant.
Except you're wrong. All those questions with zero Scripture to corroborate your bad opinion.
I assumed you knew where they're from since you're such a Bible enjoyer.
It's almost like you are leaning on your own understanding
Hilarious projection. I follow the Church Father's interpretation of Scripture which is the apostolic tradition of the Church. Personal opinions are meaningless.
I'm not interested in your opinion about the Word of God. I'm only interested in the Word of God.
Does the Word of God interpret itself or does it require interpretation? How do you determine which interpretation is correct if everyone reading it has equal authority on interpretation?
You can have a vengeful heart if you so choose though but.. first consider the levity of the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:23-35. Right now, you're the unforgiving servant.
You're not holier than St. John Chrysostom, but go on and piety signal all you like. This weak pussified subverted Christianity is why you deserve to be enslaved by your enemies.
Do you understand that quote mining is not proving anything? Scripture outside of the tradition which holds its correct interpretation leads to heresy and delusion (which St. John speaks about in the video, because jews have the OT and yet they misinterpret it and use it for evil).
I also noticed you didn't answer my questions - is the God of the OT Jesus Christ? Have you read Psalms? Who is David talking about in Psalm 110 "The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? Psalm 58: “The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked.” Why does King David say this in Psalm 139: “Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD? … I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.” Do you consider yourself above David?
What protestants like you don't understand that everything in Scripture is within context and no command is universally applied in the same way. Lying can be virtuous if you do it to save someone from the gestapo. Even killing isn't sinful in the proper context just like loving someone could mean punishing him and causing him suffering. Protestants tend to have a very modernized, reductionist and naive worldview based on word-concept fallacies and generalizations and that's why it's a good idea to look at what the early Church Fathers taught because only the Church has the fullness of the faith.
Lying can be virtuous if you do it to save someone from the gestapo.
Nota bene: Corrie ten Boom didn't lie to the gestapo when they asked if there were any Jews in her house, she said "Search for yourself". Athanasius didn't lie to the government when they asked if he had seen Athanasius, he said "He's very near, you can still catch him."
I’m not the one appealing to my own understanding here. I’m appealing to the final and controlling authority Christ and the apostles themselves appealed to.
Jesus didn’t say “you have heard from the fathers,” He said “it is written.” And when Satan quoted Scripture correctly but applied it wrongly, Jesus didn’t defer to tradition. He corrected the interpretation with more Scripture.
Yes, the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. John 1, Colossians 1, and 1 Corinthians 10 are explicit about that. No argument there. But acknowledging that doesn’t mean every covenantal command given to Israel applies unchanged to Christians after the cross. The apostles explicitly say otherwise. Hebrews exists for this exact reason, and it wasn’t written by modern Protestants.
Psalm 110 is messianic. Jesus Himself says so in Matthew 22. David is speaking prophetically about Christ’s exaltation and God subduing His enemies. But notice something important: Christ Himself tells us how that psalm is fulfilled, and it’s not by His followers taking vengeance. He reigns until His enemies are made a footstool.. by the Father. That’s divine judgment, not Christian retaliation. The same distinction applies to Revelation, the Psalms of judgment, and prophetic language throughout Scripture.
As for Psalm 58 and Psalm 139, those are imprecatory psalms. They describe righteous longing for God’s justice, not a license for believers to cultivate hatred or take vengeance themselves. Paul, who knew those Psalms far better than either of us, still says plainly: “Bless those who persecute you… never avenge yourselves… leave room for the wrath of God.” If David’s emotional expressions override apostolic command, then Paul is contradicting Scripture.
Narrator: he isn’t.
You asked if I think I’m “above David.” No. That said, David himself was not above correction, which Scripture openly records. And keep in mind that David was not living under the New Covenant sealed in Christ’s blood. The apostles are not embarrassed to say this distinction matters. Hebrews 7, 8, 9, and 10 spell it out exhaustively.
On interpretation: Scripture interprets Scripture because Christ authorized the apostles, not an amorphous later tradition, to bind and loose doctrine. And those same apostles warn repeatedly that tradition can nullify God’s word. Jesus says that explicitly in Matthew 15. So “the fathers said so” is not an argument unless it agrees with apostolic teaching. Tradition is a witness, not a trump card.
On lying: Scripture never calls a lie virtuous. God can sovereignly use sinful actions to bring about good ends BUT that does not redefine the action itself as righteous. Rahab is commended for her faith, not for lying. The text is explicit about what is praised. Paul shuts this exact argument down in Romans 3: “Let us do evil that good may come? Their condemnation is just.” Love does not require violating Christ’s commands; it requires trusting God with the outcome.
And this constant move of calling forgiveness “weak” just doesn’t survive contact with the New Testament. The cross is the interpretive center of Scripture, not tribal survival ethics. Christ had every right to retaliate and chose not to. Then He commanded His disciples to follow Him, not Moses’ civil code, not David’s war poetry, but Him.
You can keep accusing me of modernism, but the irony is you’re the one flattening Scripture into a single undifferentiated ethic and then calling nuance heresy. The apostles didn’t do that. Jesus didn’t do that. The New Testament doesn’t do that.
I’m not rejecting Scripture for Christ.
I’m reading Scripture through Christ, exactly the way He told us to.
It is clear you do not understand the difference in the old covenant and new covenant. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law. Before He sacrificed His life for us, He preached and preached about loving one another, praying for our enemies, and leaving judgement to Him. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING in the New Testament supports your narrative that's based all on the old covenant.
I reject both your appeal to authority and bad theology. I hope you'll spend more time trying to understand the messages and parables Jesus Christ left on your own instead of letting someone from hundreds of years ago think for you.
You are one of the following:
Actually ignorant of the Truth while growing in your faith
Poisoning the well with bad theology
Rabbi Kikelstein
I'm hoping you are 1 but you seem like 2+3=5. Have a blessed day, rabbi.
Settle down, rabbi. Jesus said what He said and there's no amount of kvetching you can do to change that.
I'm rabbi for telling you you shouldn't love jews? Makes total sense.
Why did Jesus command His followers to buy a sword? Why did He call the pharisees vipers and sons of the Satan? Why did He whip the moneychangers in the Temple? Because He loved them so much?
Is Christ the God of the OT who gave the Mosaic law?
Face it - you don't follow the Christianity of the early Church established by Christ. You follow the judaized subverted fake and gay Christianity that came 15c after Christ where each individual is their own Pope with zero regard for tradition. Your translation of the OT is based on the Masoretic texts (jewish Torah) and not on the Septuagint which was used in the NT. Do you care to guess why is that?
Except you're wrong. All those questions with zero Scripture to corroborate your bad opinion. It's almost like you are leaning on your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
I'm not interested in your opinion about the Word of God. I'm only interested in the Word of God. You can have a vengeful heart if you so choose though but.. first consider the levity of the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:23-35. Right now, you're the unforgiving servant.
Denounce the talmud and have a great day.
I assumed you knew where they're from since you're such a Bible enjoyer.
Hilarious projection. I follow the Church Father's interpretation of Scripture which is the apostolic tradition of the Church. Personal opinions are meaningless.
Does the Word of God interpret itself or does it require interpretation? How do you determine which interpretation is correct if everyone reading it has equal authority on interpretation?
You're not holier than St. John Chrysostom, but go on and piety signal all you like. This weak pussified subverted Christianity is why you deserve to be enslaved by your enemies.
Do you understand that quote mining is not proving anything? Scripture outside of the tradition which holds its correct interpretation leads to heresy and delusion (which St. John speaks about in the video, because jews have the OT and yet they misinterpret it and use it for evil).
I also noticed you didn't answer my questions - is the God of the OT Jesus Christ? Have you read Psalms? Who is David talking about in Psalm 110 "The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? Psalm 58: “The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked.” Why does King David say this in Psalm 139: “Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD? … I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.” Do you consider yourself above David?
What protestants like you don't understand that everything in Scripture is within context and no command is universally applied in the same way. Lying can be virtuous if you do it to save someone from the gestapo. Even killing isn't sinful in the proper context just like loving someone could mean punishing him and causing him suffering. Protestants tend to have a very modernized, reductionist and naive worldview based on word-concept fallacies and generalizations and that's why it's a good idea to look at what the early Church Fathers taught because only the Church has the fullness of the faith.
Nota bene: Corrie ten Boom didn't lie to the gestapo when they asked if there were any Jews in her house, she said "Search for yourself". Athanasius didn't lie to the government when they asked if he had seen Athanasius, he said "He's very near, you can still catch him."
I’m not the one appealing to my own understanding here. I’m appealing to the final and controlling authority Christ and the apostles themselves appealed to.
Jesus didn’t say “you have heard from the fathers,” He said “it is written.” And when Satan quoted Scripture correctly but applied it wrongly, Jesus didn’t defer to tradition. He corrected the interpretation with more Scripture.
Yes, the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. John 1, Colossians 1, and 1 Corinthians 10 are explicit about that. No argument there. But acknowledging that doesn’t mean every covenantal command given to Israel applies unchanged to Christians after the cross. The apostles explicitly say otherwise. Hebrews exists for this exact reason, and it wasn’t written by modern Protestants.
Psalm 110 is messianic. Jesus Himself says so in Matthew 22. David is speaking prophetically about Christ’s exaltation and God subduing His enemies. But notice something important: Christ Himself tells us how that psalm is fulfilled, and it’s not by His followers taking vengeance. He reigns until His enemies are made a footstool.. by the Father. That’s divine judgment, not Christian retaliation. The same distinction applies to Revelation, the Psalms of judgment, and prophetic language throughout Scripture.
As for Psalm 58 and Psalm 139, those are imprecatory psalms. They describe righteous longing for God’s justice, not a license for believers to cultivate hatred or take vengeance themselves. Paul, who knew those Psalms far better than either of us, still says plainly: “Bless those who persecute you… never avenge yourselves… leave room for the wrath of God.” If David’s emotional expressions override apostolic command, then Paul is contradicting Scripture.
Narrator: he isn’t.
You asked if I think I’m “above David.” No. That said, David himself was not above correction, which Scripture openly records. And keep in mind that David was not living under the New Covenant sealed in Christ’s blood. The apostles are not embarrassed to say this distinction matters. Hebrews 7, 8, 9, and 10 spell it out exhaustively.
On interpretation: Scripture interprets Scripture because Christ authorized the apostles, not an amorphous later tradition, to bind and loose doctrine. And those same apostles warn repeatedly that tradition can nullify God’s word. Jesus says that explicitly in Matthew 15. So “the fathers said so” is not an argument unless it agrees with apostolic teaching. Tradition is a witness, not a trump card.
On lying: Scripture never calls a lie virtuous. God can sovereignly use sinful actions to bring about good ends BUT that does not redefine the action itself as righteous. Rahab is commended for her faith, not for lying. The text is explicit about what is praised. Paul shuts this exact argument down in Romans 3: “Let us do evil that good may come? Their condemnation is just.” Love does not require violating Christ’s commands; it requires trusting God with the outcome.
And this constant move of calling forgiveness “weak” just doesn’t survive contact with the New Testament. The cross is the interpretive center of Scripture, not tribal survival ethics. Christ had every right to retaliate and chose not to. Then He commanded His disciples to follow Him, not Moses’ civil code, not David’s war poetry, but Him.
You can keep accusing me of modernism, but the irony is you’re the one flattening Scripture into a single undifferentiated ethic and then calling nuance heresy. The apostles didn’t do that. Jesus didn’t do that. The New Testament doesn’t do that.
I’m not rejecting Scripture for Christ. I’m reading Scripture through Christ, exactly the way He told us to.
It is clear you do not understand the difference in the old covenant and new covenant. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law. Before He sacrificed His life for us, He preached and preached about loving one another, praying for our enemies, and leaving judgement to Him. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING in the New Testament supports your narrative that's based all on the old covenant.
I reject both your appeal to authority and bad theology. I hope you'll spend more time trying to understand the messages and parables Jesus Christ left on your own instead of letting someone from hundreds of years ago think for you.
You are one of the following:
Actually ignorant of the Truth while growing in your faith
Poisoning the well with bad theology
Rabbi Kikelstein
I'm hoping you are 1 but you seem like 2+3=5. Have a blessed day, rabbi.