Nick Fuentes says don't read your bible, just listen to "clergy"
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I was making light, but I agree in essence: I've said all along that calling it something like "origination and sending without procession or spiration" is just argument over the same thing with different definitions applying.
Yes, and that reason is judged two ways, either by God (where we can't argue the size of the exception) or by human reason (where we'd be at risk of wanting to second-guess his good reasons).
The latter of the ways of judgment.
All I have to do is invert. Our Church and Tradition judges that we have apostolic succession through Luther and that the Eastern Church are the heterodox by not agreeing with Luther when they had and have access (he tried!); and Eastern claims to the contrary have already been proven wrong by our tradition, even if it sounds silly and illogical to them and we don't explain it very well, because our tradition is The True Church. You see how it doesn't work in the reverse direction, and why I don't think it works in your direction either?
Which is why I say feel free to keep the theology of "exceptions for good reason" and be prepared to be called on any variances from that theology.
We need a new name, Orthodox Protestant Catholics (paragraph 6 here). Then we can drop the "Protestant" part when Rome apologizes and we'd be back to exactly the primitive name, Orthodox Catholics.
I just explained how that's not the case - is you being born of your father the same as your brother sending you to do some work? Maybe consider that theological disputes that led to the splitting of the Church are not over semantics?
You can't because you don't have a Church and tradition, that's the point. You have denominations which agree on some things and disagree on other things. We've been over this. Luther's theology has nothing to do with what the Early Church teaches so pretending he was on the same footing as the Orthodox Church is just stupid. There were no "Luthers" in the first millennium. There was a universal apostolic and synodal Church. Actually there were guys like Luther but all of them were excomunicated like Nestorius, Valentian, Origen and Tertullian.
I don't keep anything. It's not up to me to pick and choose what the faith is. I am convinced EO is the true Church and I follow it a 100%.
"Origination and sending without begetting or procession or spiration": Yeah, it's over semantics. For a couple people it wasn't and they were heretics, and God knows who they are. For the rest, I won't argue the size of hypernormative connection. (And my larger point is that all schisms that remain might well be over semantics, as there will be a final resolution for each and it will be either semantics or one size being defined out forever. You do want the Filioque resolved, don't you?)
No, you! I might say. I asked the difference, you didn't give an answer I comprehended and ultimately deferred the answer to authority, that's where it stands. Another pass on OrthodoxWiki doesn't find anything supporting "The True Church". If the mark of "The True Church" is that it does treat other professing churches as hypernormative, well it seems Rome has that mark too (and again it's just semantics about size).
BTW there's no evidence Origen or Tertullian were excommunicated. Origen made big errors but the church was too polite to him to name him in their anathema against his errors. Tertullian reformed Montanism (Tertullianism) to bring it back to Christianity and was a great pontifex.
That's fine, you don't have to believe me when I doubt it's 100% and I provide evidence, you're responsible for the evidence you've received.
I literally gave you an example why the Orthodox and the Catholic position is not the same and you've blown past though it... Orthodoxy taches monarchical Trinitarianism - the Father is the origin of the Trinity. He begets the Son and spirates the Spirit. The theological consequences of the filioque are devastating. Here's a video explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwuQqPr-rM
The resolution of the filioque is for Rome to renounce this development and return to the original Nicaean creed. But you understand that admitting they've taught error for 1000 years will automatically destroy their whole system so that's not happening. Btw, as I already said if Rom falls, Protestantism falls too because you adopted their tradition and their teachings like the filioque.
You don't have apostolic succession through Luther. Luther wasn't a bishop to begin with. He never claimed to have apostolic succession. He doesn't need it for his system which is based on personal inspiration, Sola Christus and Sola Scriptura. He literally made up that system to undermine the authority of the Pope which is guaranteed by tradition and apostolic succession. You're making up stuff to check the boxes you see that are missing in your system. This is idiocy.
That's not a mark but a necessary precondition. There are many things which define and identify the Church. The reason I call it the True Church is to set it apart from all the heterodox who use the term to denote multiple sects. The Church can only be one. There are no 100 bodies of Christ. There's no division within His Body either, but complete unity in sacraments and creed. Everyone is in communion in the Church through baptism and the Eucharist. The fullness of truth and grace is only in the Church. If "a Church" doesn't lay claim to being the single true Church, then it's definitely not it. Branch theory is unscriptural. But if you are a Lutheran and believe the Lutheran Church - the specific denomination that has common creed and tradition - is the true Church then you're past that hurdle. Now all you have to do is demonstrate how that's the case. You can't of course because of the stated above.
Correct, Origen wasn't excommunicated but his teachings were condemned. Tertullian left the Church for montanism. He didn't bring anything back to Christianity - he became the leader of that sect and influenced it but didn't return to the Church. His earlier writings are considered authoritative but he's not canonized as a saint.
For a millennium it was held that the miaphysite position was not the same as Orthodoxy and then finally we agreed that the words were different but the core meaning was the same. Do you want me to show that? After long consideration I hold that the filioque is ultimately semantic, that in one sense the Spirit "proceeds" from the Son and in another sense he doesn't, and that this does not offend any Orthodox tradition.
I also see nothing in the Bible (or tradition) that says apostolic tradition must only flow through those titled "bishops" and not through other appointed overseers like doctors. The word "bishop" is now more refined than the Biblical word for "overseer".
There are many members in Christ's body. Members can mean both churches and individuals. Since you admit the thief, you admit God works when and where he pleases as a Reformed confession says, and it doesn't contradict One Body. Also, I find much OT example, biggest being Israel-Judah, of God using division to achieve his purposes (not to mention Jew-Gentile in Romans 11).
So you're holding out for filioque, succession, and hierarchical unity. After much past consideration of the accessible material, I concluded that these are ultimately semantic and as wasteful as arguments like infralapsarian vs. supralapsarian. The bridge-builder is capable of seeing both sides and identifying the semantic point that unifies them. The only thing holding back is the inaccessible material, namely the reservations that Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant leaders have against resolving the dilemma. You want a renunciation, but it doesn't have to take that form if there is a logical position where the development can be recast without offending your tradition, and that has been done in other cases. So I hold out for hope.
If you wish to refer me to written sources, I can continue to prosecute my hypothesis; but if you refer me to the hierarchy it will need to wait until I can make it an issue IRL.