While suspending my judgment for the purposes of the roundtable, how does the pyramid point to this whole cycle of cataclysms? What value would it have had in relation to any of these events, other than to be something that might survive global flood? And your big reason for backdating the sphinx is that the sphinx would then be looking at Leo at sunrise in spring only rather than in winter only? And you don't know what brought on the cataclysms on this list (as opposed to others) but it just neatly aligned with these precession eras as if some hand were guiding them to align?
How about this: A real conspiracy would be if geologists conspired to ensure that cataclysm dates would align roughly with precession dates such that they could be compiled into such a list later to prove the zodiac had power. That seems a lot easier than having spirits actually align all these events and actually cause all that damage for real. It also seems wiser not to ascribe too much to those spirits when we know they like to lie about numbers and correlations. Just spitballing.
how does the pyramid point to this whole cycle of cataclysms… other than to be something that might survive global flood?
Asked and answered, though oddly treated as if that isn’t a direct answer to the question… remember, the idea is that the site itself is built in recognition of the Precession (pointing to Leo in the Age of Leo) - its only “goal” or “purpose” at that point is to survive the next cataclysm.
And you don't know what brought on the cataclysms on this list
Not sure i follow. You can go look up all of these events and see what modern science considers potential causes. For example the Toba Catastrophe it was (likely) a super-volcano eruption. For the Younger Dryas it was (likely) a glacial asteroid impact causing global flooding. These - surficially unconnected - catastrophes turn out to follow a repeating 26,000 year cycle, according to our best (fuzzy) data. That demands further inquiry, so if your statement here is meant to express a kind of “move along, nothing to see here” attitude, I think that’s flat backwards.
Regarding your spitballing, that would require proving the Precession, which is fact, has no effect, which is frankly an insane thing to assume, and furthermore refuted by even a cursory look into the notion of the “Ages” of man. That could be an interesting subject for a spin-off thread. You should make it!
Okay so you want the whole thing built in Leo. And you've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?
But if we went full credulous and favored the "neatness" of the theory, the reason that meteors and volcanoes follow this exact timeframe (and presumably never any other to that degree) would still be unstated. The mechanisms you propose don't match up, as there's nothing in the earth's axial tilt that makes these epoch significant for space phenomena.
What is significant is a bunch of Homo sapiens seeing (for now let's stick with) bull, ram, fish, man in the sky, and creating a narrative of epochs of roughly 2,000 years out of that, and then fitting all kinds of other data around it. And in particular both demons and humans would have an interest in using that to claim a greater correlation with past events. So that gives me a little more credence for the idea that the greater phenomenon is the selling of the narrative than the actual sky events. For instance, if we get enough people believing we should have an ELE between now and 2700 AD then maybe we can manifest it; that's a much greater causative potential than the fact that the Sphinx literally sees Aquarius this next Easter morn. I mean, it would stand to reason that much more would be made of what the people are excited about the sphinx seeing, than could be made of a clockwork dislodging of an asteroid or tectonic shift that some how relates to the distant constellation.
Because you and the sources never jump to THE END IS NEAR even though the natural corollary is that the dawning of the Age of Aquarius brings extinction and a total civilization wipe. You've taken several tries of not formulating evidence just for me to get to this much understanding of the evidence on my own, in spite of the "help" given. You're not one of those creepy glowies who keep feeding the other person hints until the other draws the conclusion on his own and thinks it his own and gets blamed for being the millenarian, are you?
Look, 9/11 becomes just a visualization exercise under that hypothesis, of course we know the cabal wants us to believe the cataclysm is nigh. What good is a predictive theory if it isn't used to predict anything except that if I apply the narrative it predicts my own demise? I already have a fine, much more detailed narrative theory connected to cataclysms during the coming of The Man, thank you very much. Better ending too.
So (without arguing the math and science) why don't you just jump right to the end being near with this theory? 35,100 more weeks!
It’s odd to hear from a Christian that he sees absolutely no (non-demonic-)significance behind the fact that his people chose the fish as their symbol, 2000 years ago, precisely coincident with the dawn of the age of pisces. Nor that this piscean age overthrew the age of the Ram, a common sacrifice of the previous age of Aries, which itself overthrew the age of the (brass, burning) bull. Aquarius, the water bearer is now the current age. Well, it wouldn’t be the craziest thing to call this the (dawn of the) age of women.
Because you and the sources never jump to THE END IS NEAR…why don’t you…?
even though the natural corollary is that the dawning of the Age of Aquarius brings extinction and a total civilization wipe.
That’s not quite it though is it - it represents not “guaranteed extinction” but “great upheaval” or even “tribulation”. You know what else was a great upheaval which kicks off a grand adventure or journey? Leaving the Garden. The Flood. The Rapture. All things you’re intimately familiar with.
God made the stars, he had the symbols first (Job 38:32 has Mazzaroth, a technical term for the 48 signs), which is why I alluded to just those four. You filled in the primary details, there isn't much more to make into a thread. It's consistent with God to make the pattern 2,157+ years and then round it for simplicity to 2,000 years (and also to 2,160 for arcana). So the fact that these things can be warped is secondary, and we have the job of sifting out the primary. For instance, the primary of Aquarius would be the Baptizer, but I thought to myself (before you said "women") the secondary might be the intersex person, bearing water and all.
I might have seen that link when you posted it, but if so I shrugged it off because it doesn't sell by itself. Since we've taken it up again you've been pretty roundabout toward getting people to look for Rapture by telling them human civilization was wiped out (about) 16 times. Just a repeat of a methodology tip.
I don't need an asteroid to tell me that the Garden, the Flood, and the Tribulation (with Rapture) are comparable upheavals to each other, Peter explicitly says so for exactly those three in 2 Peter 3. And he could include the Cross for his own era too. But those are the cusps. If we link the Garden with the beginning of Taurus, the Flood with the end of Taurus, and the Tribulation with the beginning of Aquarius, we sorta preserve the alignment Carlson wants to see, and it's understandable if he wants to find other cabal-dated events that tie to and extend his theory (connected to 1/3 of the whole period with hundreds of years swing for error). I don't see that as proof, which is why I suggested the geologist conspiracy almost in jest, but in terms of devils twisting numbers for their ends we already have plenty of evidence of that so it's not so much in jest as when I began. But we also have the church testimony that arrives at the same result simply by matching "third day" with "as a thousand years" and seeing the connection to the prior four thousand, which has been a regular strand in theology. So we could argue millenarianism is at a great peak like it was in Jesus's day, without needing any reference to confirmation in God's mazzaroth.
What I'm concerned about is trying to make some general rule out of it that gives credence to Bible opponents. The Creation of the Garden is consistent with the Big Bang when VSL is applied; thus it would not be one of the climate events described. The Flood is consistent with the 4.6kya event and Carlson's #16. The Tribulation does seem consistent with the entry into Aquarius and the bride is ready come what may. So I'm good with that overlay.
As soon as people try to push Creation back into the far remote, though (by gap, or day-age, or just ignoring Genesis altogether), they feed a very nasty bunch of antitheists that have been trying to deny special creation whenever they could and only found a British respectable way to do it with some permanence in 1859. Before then people had enough common sense that it couldn't take over the industry of inquiry. Nowadays Carlson is probably unaware that he's still paying rent to those same leeches by citing their logically fallacious Just So Stories complete with math that changes from one tale to the next. (Y'know, I shouldn't say this is unique, the Egyptian tales had the same retconning problem and they were pretty empire-wide so I suppose there are ways it's been worse in the past.) So I militate against these ideas to peel back to what can be defended clearly. And, funny thing, every time it's become very easy to find the assumption and the person spinning the yarn and to point out that it's just an assumption that need not be made.
So that's why the idea of citing several alignments, if they can be cherry-picked and their inclusion criteria need not refer to any specific cataclysmic profile, and being arbitrary with tying them to God's mazzaroth as some kind of causality, doesn't take with me. It doesn't add anything prophetic to what I already have, and it attempts to take away from what I have and replace it with cabal astrology. Without doing more analysis I'll repeat my probing question to see where you want to take it: "You've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?" Specifically, are you saying the pyramids and sphinx were all built during the Wisconsin Ice Age? (Ice in Egypt would certainly solve the sand problem! /s)
While suspending my judgment for the purposes of the roundtable, how does the pyramid point to this whole cycle of cataclysms? What value would it have had in relation to any of these events, other than to be something that might survive global flood? And your big reason for backdating the sphinx is that the sphinx would then be looking at Leo at sunrise in spring only rather than in winter only? And you don't know what brought on the cataclysms on this list (as opposed to others) but it just neatly aligned with these precession eras as if some hand were guiding them to align?
How about this: A real conspiracy would be if geologists conspired to ensure that cataclysm dates would align roughly with precession dates such that they could be compiled into such a list later to prove the zodiac had power. That seems a lot easier than having spirits actually align all these events and actually cause all that damage for real. It also seems wiser not to ascribe too much to those spirits when we know they like to lie about numbers and correlations. Just spitballing.
Asked and answered, though oddly treated as if that isn’t a direct answer to the question… remember, the idea is that the site itself is built in recognition of the Precession (pointing to Leo in the Age of Leo) - its only “goal” or “purpose” at that point is to survive the next cataclysm.
Not sure i follow. You can go look up all of these events and see what modern science considers potential causes. For example the Toba Catastrophe it was (likely) a super-volcano eruption. For the Younger Dryas it was (likely) a glacial asteroid impact causing global flooding. These - surficially unconnected - catastrophes turn out to follow a repeating 26,000 year cycle, according to our best (fuzzy) data. That demands further inquiry, so if your statement here is meant to express a kind of “move along, nothing to see here” attitude, I think that’s flat backwards.
Regarding your spitballing, that would require proving the Precession, which is fact, has no effect, which is frankly an insane thing to assume, and furthermore refuted by even a cursory look into the notion of the “Ages” of man. That could be an interesting subject for a spin-off thread. You should make it!
Okay so you want the whole thing built in Leo. And you've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?
But if we went full credulous and favored the "neatness" of the theory, the reason that meteors and volcanoes follow this exact timeframe (and presumably never any other to that degree) would still be unstated. The mechanisms you propose don't match up, as there's nothing in the earth's axial tilt that makes these epoch significant for space phenomena.
What is significant is a bunch of Homo sapiens seeing (for now let's stick with) bull, ram, fish, man in the sky, and creating a narrative of epochs of roughly 2,000 years out of that, and then fitting all kinds of other data around it. And in particular both demons and humans would have an interest in using that to claim a greater correlation with past events. So that gives me a little more credence for the idea that the greater phenomenon is the selling of the narrative than the actual sky events. For instance, if we get enough people believing we should have an ELE between now and 2700 AD then maybe we can manifest it; that's a much greater causative potential than the fact that the Sphinx literally sees Aquarius this next Easter morn. I mean, it would stand to reason that much more would be made of what the people are excited about the sphinx seeing, than could be made of a clockwork dislodging of an asteroid or tectonic shift that some how relates to the distant constellation.
Because you and the sources never jump to THE END IS NEAR even though the natural corollary is that the dawning of the Age of Aquarius brings extinction and a total civilization wipe. You've taken several tries of not formulating evidence just for me to get to this much understanding of the evidence on my own, in spite of the "help" given. You're not one of those creepy glowies who keep feeding the other person hints until the other draws the conclusion on his own and thinks it his own and gets blamed for being the millenarian, are you?
Look, 9/11 becomes just a visualization exercise under that hypothesis, of course we know the cabal wants us to believe the cataclysm is nigh. What good is a predictive theory if it isn't used to predict anything except that if I apply the narrative it predicts my own demise? I already have a fine, much more detailed narrative theory connected to cataclysms during the coming of The Man, thank you very much. Better ending too.
So (without arguing the math and science) why don't you just jump right to the end being near with this theory? 35,100 more weeks!
It’s odd to hear from a Christian that he sees absolutely no (non-demonic-)significance behind the fact that his people chose the fish as their symbol, 2000 years ago, precisely coincident with the dawn of the age of pisces. Nor that this piscean age overthrew the age of the Ram, a common sacrifice of the previous age of Aries, which itself overthrew the age of the (brass, burning) bull. Aquarius, the water bearer is now the current age. Well, it wouldn’t be the craziest thing to call this the (dawn of the) age of women.
https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/15JU7rN3xg/this-is-whats-driving-all-the-ac/c
That’s not quite it though is it - it represents not “guaranteed extinction” but “great upheaval” or even “tribulation”. You know what else was a great upheaval which kicks off a grand adventure or journey? Leaving the Garden. The Flood. The Rapture. All things you’re intimately familiar with.
Really, this deserves its own thread.
God made the stars, he had the symbols first (Job 38:32 has Mazzaroth, a technical term for the 48 signs), which is why I alluded to just those four. You filled in the primary details, there isn't much more to make into a thread. It's consistent with God to make the pattern 2,157+ years and then round it for simplicity to 2,000 years (and also to 2,160 for arcana). So the fact that these things can be warped is secondary, and we have the job of sifting out the primary. For instance, the primary of Aquarius would be the Baptizer, but I thought to myself (before you said "women") the secondary might be the intersex person, bearing water and all.
I might have seen that link when you posted it, but if so I shrugged it off because it doesn't sell by itself. Since we've taken it up again you've been pretty roundabout toward getting people to look for Rapture by telling them human civilization was wiped out (about) 16 times. Just a repeat of a methodology tip.
I don't need an asteroid to tell me that the Garden, the Flood, and the Tribulation (with Rapture) are comparable upheavals to each other, Peter explicitly says so for exactly those three in 2 Peter 3. And he could include the Cross for his own era too. But those are the cusps. If we link the Garden with the beginning of Taurus, the Flood with the end of Taurus, and the Tribulation with the beginning of Aquarius, we sorta preserve the alignment Carlson wants to see, and it's understandable if he wants to find other cabal-dated events that tie to and extend his theory (connected to 1/3 of the whole period with hundreds of years swing for error). I don't see that as proof, which is why I suggested the geologist conspiracy almost in jest, but in terms of devils twisting numbers for their ends we already have plenty of evidence of that so it's not so much in jest as when I began. But we also have the church testimony that arrives at the same result simply by matching "third day" with "as a thousand years" and seeing the connection to the prior four thousand, which has been a regular strand in theology. So we could argue millenarianism is at a great peak like it was in Jesus's day, without needing any reference to confirmation in God's mazzaroth.
What I'm concerned about is trying to make some general rule out of it that gives credence to Bible opponents. The Creation of the Garden is consistent with the Big Bang when VSL is applied; thus it would not be one of the climate events described. The Flood is consistent with the 4.6kya event and Carlson's #16. The Tribulation does seem consistent with the entry into Aquarius and the bride is ready come what may. So I'm good with that overlay.
As soon as people try to push Creation back into the far remote, though (by gap, or day-age, or just ignoring Genesis altogether), they feed a very nasty bunch of antitheists that have been trying to deny special creation whenever they could and only found a British respectable way to do it with some permanence in 1859. Before then people had enough common sense that it couldn't take over the industry of inquiry. Nowadays Carlson is probably unaware that he's still paying rent to those same leeches by citing their logically fallacious Just So Stories complete with math that changes from one tale to the next. (Y'know, I shouldn't say this is unique, the Egyptian tales had the same retconning problem and they were pretty empire-wide so I suppose there are ways it's been worse in the past.) So I militate against these ideas to peel back to what can be defended clearly. And, funny thing, every time it's become very easy to find the assumption and the person spinning the yarn and to point out that it's just an assumption that need not be made.
So that's why the idea of citing several alignments, if they can be cherry-picked and their inclusion criteria need not refer to any specific cataclysmic profile, and being arbitrary with tying them to God's mazzaroth as some kind of causality, doesn't take with me. It doesn't add anything prophetic to what I already have, and it attempts to take away from what I have and replace it with cabal astrology. Without doing more analysis I'll repeat my probing question to see where you want to take it: "You've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?" Specifically, are you saying the pyramids and sphinx were all built during the Wisconsin Ice Age? (Ice in Egypt would certainly solve the sand problem! /s)