God made the stars, he had the symbols first (Job 38:32 has Mazzaroth, a technical term for the 48 signs), which is why I alluded to just those four. You filled in the primary details, there isn't much more to make into a thread. It's consistent with God to make the pattern 2,157+ years and then round it for simplicity to 2,000 years (and also to 2,160 for arcana). So the fact that these things can be warped is secondary, and we have the job of sifting out the primary. For instance, the primary of Aquarius would be the Baptizer, but I thought to myself (before you said "women") the secondary might be the intersex person, bearing water and all.
I might have seen that link when you posted it, but if so I shrugged it off because it doesn't sell by itself. Since we've taken it up again you've been pretty roundabout toward getting people to look for Rapture by telling them human civilization was wiped out (about) 16 times. Just a repeat of a methodology tip.
I don't need an asteroid to tell me that the Garden, the Flood, and the Tribulation (with Rapture) are comparable upheavals to each other, Peter explicitly says so for exactly those three in 2 Peter 3. And he could include the Cross for his own era too. But those are the cusps. If we link the Garden with the beginning of Taurus, the Flood with the end of Taurus, and the Tribulation with the beginning of Aquarius, we sorta preserve the alignment Carlson wants to see, and it's understandable if he wants to find other cabal-dated events that tie to and extend his theory (connected to 1/3 of the whole period with hundreds of years swing for error). I don't see that as proof, which is why I suggested the geologist conspiracy almost in jest, but in terms of devils twisting numbers for their ends we already have plenty of evidence of that so it's not so much in jest as when I began. But we also have the church testimony that arrives at the same result simply by matching "third day" with "as a thousand years" and seeing the connection to the prior four thousand, which has been a regular strand in theology. So we could argue millenarianism is at a great peak like it was in Jesus's day, without needing any reference to confirmation in God's mazzaroth.
What I'm concerned about is trying to make some general rule out of it that gives credence to Bible opponents. The Creation of the Garden is consistent with the Big Bang when VSL is applied; thus it would not be one of the climate events described. The Flood is consistent with the 4.6kya event and Carlson's #16. The Tribulation does seem consistent with the entry into Aquarius and the bride is ready come what may. So I'm good with that overlay.
As soon as people try to push Creation back into the far remote, though (by gap, or day-age, or just ignoring Genesis altogether), they feed a very nasty bunch of antitheists that have been trying to deny special creation whenever they could and only found a British respectable way to do it with some permanence in 1859. Before then people had enough common sense that it couldn't take over the industry of inquiry. Nowadays Carlson is probably unaware that he's still paying rent to those same leeches by citing their logically fallacious Just So Stories complete with math that changes from one tale to the next. (Y'know, I shouldn't say this is unique, the Egyptian tales had the same retconning problem and they were pretty empire-wide so I suppose there are ways it's been worse in the past.) So I militate against these ideas to peel back to what can be defended clearly. And, funny thing, every time it's become very easy to find the assumption and the person spinning the yarn and to point out that it's just an assumption that need not be made.
So that's why the idea of citing several alignments, if they can be cherry-picked and their inclusion criteria need not refer to any specific cataclysmic profile, and being arbitrary with tying them to God's mazzaroth as some kind of causality, doesn't take with me. It doesn't add anything prophetic to what I already have, and it attempts to take away from what I have and replace it with cabal astrology. Without doing more analysis I'll repeat my probing question to see where you want to take it: "You've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?" Specifically, are you saying the pyramids and sphinx were all built during the Wisconsin Ice Age? (Ice in Egypt would certainly solve the sand problem! /s)
It's consistent with God to make the pattern 2,157+ years and then round it for simplicity to 2,000 years (and also to 2,160 for arcana).
You’ll never believe this dude! What’s ~26,000 divided by 12? And that’s why one “Great Month” of the “Great Year” is ~2160 years. Ok, now how long would a “Great Season” last? Oh wow crazy 3 “Months” or a little over 6000 years. I wonder what happens when “Great Seasons” change. I wonder what happens when a “Great Year” turns over. Oh, wait, no, I don’t wonder, because I actually watched the videos im commenting on! Lol
If we link the Garden with the beginning of Taurus, the Flood with the end of Taurus, and the Tribulation with the beginning of Aquarius
It’s not just that though - we are clearly on the cusp of a new age - it is clear that 2,000 years ago Jesus ushered in a new piscean age of peace and cooperation - 2,000 years before that, [Noah/Abraham/Moses] ushered in the age of the Ram, the age of sacrifice and war - and what he replaced was the age of the Bull, of mass human sacrifice which apparently held over the preceding 2,000 years (sounds almost Flood-worthy…)
I get that “6,000 years” is a buggaboo of yours, but considering it is neither accepted in the mainstream, nor in the conspiracy alt-stream, it is just frankly inappropriate to shoehorn into this conversation, and use it to totally derail the subject.
If you want to talk about the documentary, that’s great, i look forward to that. If you want to talk about the significance of the Zodiac aka the Precession of the Equinoxes outside of the context of megaliths and the catastrophes they were built to survive and warn us about, I suppose that’s kind of interesting, but for the fourth time now, it’s a subject worthy of its own thread. But what I DONT want to talk about is young earth creationism, and DOUBLY SO from the perspective that it is the “obvious answer and everything else is demon lies” (fuck off with that shit lol)
Specifically, are you saying the pyramids and sphinx were all built during the Wisconsin Ice Age?
Im saying it’s a provable fact that the Sphinx complex, which the pyramids are a part of, was constructed PRIOR TO the last Saharan wet period. This means they are at a minimum 6,000 years old (“but that’s impossible!” He shouts). Im further saying that based on the site’s obvious intent to convey astronomically significant information, a likely candidate for its construction was during an Age of Leo. As you noted in your initial comment, the last Age of Leo lines up just about PERFECTLY with the last catastrophe (before your pet catastrophe that is). Maybe it was built 26,000 years before that, maybe it was built immediately before or after - like I said, a time of great upheaval need not lead to “global extinction” like you imagine. It can also lead to a Golden Age, a Satya Yuga - a “New Heaven and New Earth” in your language.
Hope that helps. I look forward to your on topic response and any spin off threads you might make about spin off topics like YEC and how much you dislike the fact that every society on the planet throughout all of history has recognized the significance of the Zodiac
PRIOR TO the last Saharan wet period. This means they are at a minimum 6,000 years old (“but that’s impossible!” He shouts).
"The African humid period ended 6,000–5,000 years ago during the Piora Oscillation cold period. While some evidence points to an end 5,500 years ago, in the Sahel, Arabia and East Africa, the end of the period appears to have taken place in several steps, such as the 4.2-kiloyear event." I have no problem putting the sphinx 5,000+ years ago. It looks like you have no problem putting it 40,000+ years ago.
So I'm gathering you want us to have a kumbaya upheaval, and that logically such a golden age might have happened many times before, even as whatever ages there were got destroyed at the "set times", and there's no knowing whether we're at a total or near ELE or at a rapture. We can predict that intensity is higher at this present moment than in other centuries (by either the Christian or the astrological route), but we don't know what's coming without more information than the whole OP and associated theory will give us.
Then my counsel would be to get as much Bible as you possibly can in the hopes of defeating the ELE that you've seen so often before. Doesn't seem like Carlson, Chang, Ching, giants, pyramids, Gospel of Thomas are the ones preventing the ELE, fren.
how much you dislike the fact that every society on the planet throughout all of history has recognized the significance of the Zodiac
I just affirmed much significance to the zodiac. Bullinger and Kennedy have whole books on the Christian meaning of the zodiac. That's why it's so important to distinguish primary from secondary. Primarily, Aquarius is the Baptizer.
There are several whole books on the Christian mazzaroth. I have an angle on it that might go to book length but that probably goes to my time management. The four cardinal signs relate to the four horsemen and four living beings (who connect to compass points), so that informs the subdivision into twelve (and ultimately into 72 as we've discussed, maybe even to 216 and 2,160). But what I have doesn't go so much into prophetic events as it does personality types and ways of doing things in the four corners of the world. I'll need to post what the community can accommodate.
God made the stars, he had the symbols first (Job 38:32 has Mazzaroth, a technical term for the 48 signs), which is why I alluded to just those four. You filled in the primary details, there isn't much more to make into a thread. It's consistent with God to make the pattern 2,157+ years and then round it for simplicity to 2,000 years (and also to 2,160 for arcana). So the fact that these things can be warped is secondary, and we have the job of sifting out the primary. For instance, the primary of Aquarius would be the Baptizer, but I thought to myself (before you said "women") the secondary might be the intersex person, bearing water and all.
I might have seen that link when you posted it, but if so I shrugged it off because it doesn't sell by itself. Since we've taken it up again you've been pretty roundabout toward getting people to look for Rapture by telling them human civilization was wiped out (about) 16 times. Just a repeat of a methodology tip.
I don't need an asteroid to tell me that the Garden, the Flood, and the Tribulation (with Rapture) are comparable upheavals to each other, Peter explicitly says so for exactly those three in 2 Peter 3. And he could include the Cross for his own era too. But those are the cusps. If we link the Garden with the beginning of Taurus, the Flood with the end of Taurus, and the Tribulation with the beginning of Aquarius, we sorta preserve the alignment Carlson wants to see, and it's understandable if he wants to find other cabal-dated events that tie to and extend his theory (connected to 1/3 of the whole period with hundreds of years swing for error). I don't see that as proof, which is why I suggested the geologist conspiracy almost in jest, but in terms of devils twisting numbers for their ends we already have plenty of evidence of that so it's not so much in jest as when I began. But we also have the church testimony that arrives at the same result simply by matching "third day" with "as a thousand years" and seeing the connection to the prior four thousand, which has been a regular strand in theology. So we could argue millenarianism is at a great peak like it was in Jesus's day, without needing any reference to confirmation in God's mazzaroth.
What I'm concerned about is trying to make some general rule out of it that gives credence to Bible opponents. The Creation of the Garden is consistent with the Big Bang when VSL is applied; thus it would not be one of the climate events described. The Flood is consistent with the 4.6kya event and Carlson's #16. The Tribulation does seem consistent with the entry into Aquarius and the bride is ready come what may. So I'm good with that overlay.
As soon as people try to push Creation back into the far remote, though (by gap, or day-age, or just ignoring Genesis altogether), they feed a very nasty bunch of antitheists that have been trying to deny special creation whenever they could and only found a British respectable way to do it with some permanence in 1859. Before then people had enough common sense that it couldn't take over the industry of inquiry. Nowadays Carlson is probably unaware that he's still paying rent to those same leeches by citing their logically fallacious Just So Stories complete with math that changes from one tale to the next. (Y'know, I shouldn't say this is unique, the Egyptian tales had the same retconning problem and they were pretty empire-wide so I suppose there are ways it's been worse in the past.) So I militate against these ideas to peel back to what can be defended clearly. And, funny thing, every time it's become very easy to find the assumption and the person spinning the yarn and to point out that it's just an assumption that need not be made.
So that's why the idea of citing several alignments, if they can be cherry-picked and their inclusion criteria need not refer to any specific cataclysmic profile, and being arbitrary with tying them to God's mazzaroth as some kind of causality, doesn't take with me. It doesn't add anything prophetic to what I already have, and it attempts to take away from what I have and replace it with cabal astrology. Without doing more analysis I'll repeat my probing question to see where you want to take it: "You've also described the Leo era as one big cataclysm from Younger Dryas to end of Wisconsin Ice Age, and the pyramid and sphinx are designed therein to survive that extant crisis, and presumably the next one?" Specifically, are you saying the pyramids and sphinx were all built during the Wisconsin Ice Age? (Ice in Egypt would certainly solve the sand problem! /s)
You’ll never believe this dude! What’s ~26,000 divided by 12? And that’s why one “Great Month” of the “Great Year” is ~2160 years. Ok, now how long would a “Great Season” last? Oh wow crazy 3 “Months” or a little over 6000 years. I wonder what happens when “Great Seasons” change. I wonder what happens when a “Great Year” turns over. Oh, wait, no, I don’t wonder, because I actually watched the videos im commenting on! Lol
It’s not just that though - we are clearly on the cusp of a new age - it is clear that 2,000 years ago Jesus ushered in a new piscean age of peace and cooperation - 2,000 years before that, [Noah/Abraham/Moses] ushered in the age of the Ram, the age of sacrifice and war - and what he replaced was the age of the Bull, of mass human sacrifice which apparently held over the preceding 2,000 years (sounds almost Flood-worthy…)
I get that “6,000 years” is a buggaboo of yours, but considering it is neither accepted in the mainstream, nor in the conspiracy alt-stream, it is just frankly inappropriate to shoehorn into this conversation, and use it to totally derail the subject.
If you want to talk about the documentary, that’s great, i look forward to that. If you want to talk about the significance of the Zodiac aka the Precession of the Equinoxes outside of the context of megaliths and the catastrophes they were built to survive and warn us about, I suppose that’s kind of interesting, but for the fourth time now, it’s a subject worthy of its own thread. But what I DONT want to talk about is young earth creationism, and DOUBLY SO from the perspective that it is the “obvious answer and everything else is demon lies” (fuck off with that shit lol)
Im saying it’s a provable fact that the Sphinx complex, which the pyramids are a part of, was constructed PRIOR TO the last Saharan wet period. This means they are at a minimum 6,000 years old (“but that’s impossible!” He shouts). Im further saying that based on the site’s obvious intent to convey astronomically significant information, a likely candidate for its construction was during an Age of Leo. As you noted in your initial comment, the last Age of Leo lines up just about PERFECTLY with the last catastrophe (before your pet catastrophe that is). Maybe it was built 26,000 years before that, maybe it was built immediately before or after - like I said, a time of great upheaval need not lead to “global extinction” like you imagine. It can also lead to a Golden Age, a Satya Yuga - a “New Heaven and New Earth” in your language.
Hope that helps. I look forward to your on topic response and any spin off threads you might make about spin off topics like YEC and how much you dislike the fact that every society on the planet throughout all of history has recognized the significance of the Zodiac
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"The African humid period ended 6,000–5,000 years ago during the Piora Oscillation cold period. While some evidence points to an end 5,500 years ago, in the Sahel, Arabia and East Africa, the end of the period appears to have taken place in several steps, such as the 4.2-kiloyear event." I have no problem putting the sphinx 5,000+ years ago. It looks like you have no problem putting it 40,000+ years ago.
So I'm gathering you want us to have a kumbaya upheaval, and that logically such a golden age might have happened many times before, even as whatever ages there were got destroyed at the "set times", and there's no knowing whether we're at a total or near ELE or at a rapture. We can predict that intensity is higher at this present moment than in other centuries (by either the Christian or the astrological route), but we don't know what's coming without more information than the whole OP and associated theory will give us.
Then my counsel would be to get as much Bible as you possibly can in the hopes of defeating the ELE that you've seen so often before. Doesn't seem like Carlson, Chang, Ching, giants, pyramids, Gospel of Thomas are the ones preventing the ELE, fren.
I just affirmed much significance to the zodiac. Bullinger and Kennedy have whole books on the Christian meaning of the zodiac. That's why it's so important to distinguish primary from secondary. Primarily, Aquarius is the Baptizer.
Can the shepherd “prevent” the autumn? Or is he limited to simply doing what he can to “prepare” for the harvest?
Jesus prevents extinction, nobody else.
That’s neat! You should make a post about them! 12 tribes, 12 signs, something’s going on there.
There are several whole books on the Christian mazzaroth. I have an angle on it that might go to book length but that probably goes to my time management. The four cardinal signs relate to the four horsemen and four living beings (who connect to compass points), so that informs the subdivision into twelve (and ultimately into 72 as we've discussed, maybe even to 216 and 2,160). But what I have doesn't go so much into prophetic events as it does personality types and ways of doing things in the four corners of the world. I'll need to post what the community can accommodate.