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The Bible vs Eastern Orthodoxy (www.youtube.com)
posted 19 days ago by TurnToGodNow 19 days ago by TurnToGodNow +4 / -4
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– TurnToGodNow [S] 3 points 18 days ago +3 / -0

As mentioned in the video, your church leaders don't even claim to know they are saved, so how can you say that is THE church to follow? The church whose members aren't even sure they are saved, that's how you know you can be sure of this church?

Praise God we have the Holy Scriptures and don't need to rely on these uncertain men to be saved.

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– guywholikesDjtof2024 1 point 18 days ago +2 / -1

What matters is if you are saved. Fussing about whether you KNOW you are or not is a struggle session. Settle for faith.

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– TurnToGodNow [S] 2 points 18 days ago +2 / -0

If the Bible tells you that you can be saved as a certainty, and your church "father" tells you he can never know, then run.

The Bible is clear, it talks about "saved" people in the past tense. Not might be saved, or could be saved. Please watch the video.

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– SmithW1984 2 points 16 days ago +2 / -0

If the Bible tells you that you can be saved as a certainty, and your church "father" tells you he can never know, then run.

No, it means you have wrong presuppositions and wrong interpretation of the text and commit a word-concept fallacy. Calling no man a father refers to the heavenly Father, not biological or father or father in the patriarchal traditional sense. Have you called your dad father? Well I guess you've broken Christ's commandment then. You see how stupid the protestant interpretation is?

The Bible is clear, it talks about "saved" people in the past tense. Not might be saved, or could be saved. Please watch the video.

This is outright lying or willful ignorance of the Scripture. You're quote mining as every protestant in existence, ignoring the passages that don't jive with your presuppositions.

1 Corinthians 1:18 – “To us who are being saved it is the power of God.”

Philippians 2:12 – “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling…”

Romans 5:9 – “We shall be saved from wrath through him.”

Romans 13:11 – “Now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.”

1 Peter 1:5 – “…ready to be revealed in the last time.”

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– TurnToGodNow [S] 2 points 16 days ago +2 / -0

You are lawyering away God's clear commandments. This is exactly what Jesus and Paul warned about regarding traditions.

Notice in the New Testament that times tradition is brought up, it is to warn against it's effects.

You're quote mining as every protestant in existence,

"You're using the scripture as its intended and it proves me wrong, Therefore I will listen to a man's weasling out of God's word because it's what makes me feel better"

This is outright lying or willful ignorance of the Scripture

The word "saved" is clear as day. You are outright gaslighting me to try to prove your point.

True protestant pastors (which I listen to) are searching the Bible diligently to be certain on the instructions. They find no instructions for a separate church based set of practices to keep you hooked on the church's power. If so they would be first in line to do them, because THEY ARE SINCERE.

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– SmithW1984 1 point 18 days ago +1 / -0

You arbitrarily decided that knowledge of who's saved or not is the prerequisite. This is knowledge only God has because He's the one who judges. You're not only acting as your own popes by doing personal interpretation of Scripture, you're also acting as your own gods by making judgments of who's saved or not. Anyone could claim they are saved, therefore they are saved in reality? That's a non sequitur. What does anyone being sure if he's saved or not have to do with what the true Church is? Where do you get this from?

Praise God we have the Holy Scriptures and don't need to rely on these uncertain men to be saved.

Refer to my other comment deboonking Sola Scriptura. You're in a contradiction, bro.

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– TurnToGodNow [S] 2 points 18 days ago +2 / -0

Imagine attacking God's word while following after traditions of men who admit they might not be saved. What utter madness! Repent!

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– SmithW1984 2 points 18 days ago +2 / -0

Imagine blowing through what I said not answering anything and strawmanning me instead. If you were good faith and cared for the truth you wouldn't act like that. I'm sorry I got you cornered with your bs position.

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– TurnToGodNow [S] 2 points 17 days ago +2 / -0

acting as your own popes

Please show me where Jesus or any Apostle said you require a pope to read scripture. Also check with the prophets in the OT. Let me know what you find.

Secondly why haven't you addressed a single argument from the pastor in the video?

Jesus said "He that heareth my word and believeth on he that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation" John 5:24

We see the Apostle Paul write "saved" in the past tense. "unto use which are saved, it is the power of God" 1 Corinthians 1:18

And we are to know a "peace which surpasses all understanding" from God. That makes sense in the context of being saved already.

Far from a license to sin, Paul who said we are saved "by grace... through faith" showed complete devotion. If someone else uses a superficial faith in Jesus to justify a worldly life of sin they were never transformed and saved. Simple as that.

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– SmithW1984 1 point 17 days ago +2 / -1

All your arguments/questions are answered here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2O58rX0K5o (on salvation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXQQSA9U3xs (on faith alone justification being based on nominalism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XS9xp7kiI (sola fide critique)

https://youtu.be/w_AjgIrk9-o?t=73 (sola scriptura)

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– TurnToGodNow [S] 0 points 17 days ago +2 / -2

Your arguments were all taken apart in my previous comments, using clear passages from scripture.

We understand salvation using scripture. We don't require a Pope as you imply (and as Catholics explicitly teach). Shame on you for twisting the gospel.

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