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Does the community want more active moderation? Discussion
posted 31 days ago by Thisisnotanexit 31 days ago by Thisisnotanexit +9 / -4

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– Conspiracy1356 3 points 27 days ago +3 / -0

I just ignore shill/troll post mostly

Singular goal, haven't thought in that, s'pose you can request sticky for a post you think is important

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– Neo1 1 point 27 days ago +2 / -1

I don't even know what this "request for sticky" really is, honestly...

And who am I supposed to contact without mods?

I was hoping for more action from the users in here... I guess most of you are too fed up to do anything, and I don't blame you for it... I know exactly how that feels...

But if we don't do anything, who will?

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– SwampRangers 0 points 26 days ago +1 / -1

But if we don't do anything, who will?

My latest idea has been to encourage likeminded people to act with unity and to ignore those who are not likeminded. This too requires critical mass and planning, because in that scenario the good are considered as being in the minority and they have a greater challenge of having unity. The difference is that, as forum members know, having levers of power and apparent majority should be handled with one set of circumspections and transparencies, and not having them should be handled with another, and even though the two are continuous their tactical difference is real. So I may get back to the community about that.

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– Neo1 0 points 24 days ago +1 / -1

Yes, please get back with that but keep in mind:

  • AI chatbots would easily overwhelm any small group of thinkers.

  • Who would your selected group ignore? How can you tell the difference between a real newly joined human and AI chatbot/shill?

  • What aims are for likeminded people? There are little to none likeminded people in here, while we agree on one topic, we differ on another. And how can we combine our efforts on tasks that we all slightly disagree on? "A house divided cannot stand"


I agree with your point about transparency. Mods actions should be transparent to the community, so they are well understood and they can trust these actions in the future and possibly rely on them.

  • https://conspiracies.win/p/17s5Ran2yH/please-ban-ufreewillofchoice-its/c/ (+30/-15)

  • https://conspiracies.win/p/17rmOGpGT2/is-ufreewillofchoice-mentally-re/c/ (+13/-5)

  • https://conspiracies.win/p/19BGFQ28Bu/why-cant-we-block-freewillofchoi/ (+11/-4)

If the community wants an action being done (these examples provided. I even exclude all of mine...) what mod would provide it?

And how can a useless mod be convinced that they are truly circumspective? I mean that in terms of a very lenient mod, who already allows useless chatbots, to be also useless for the community.

I would personally use the word "weak":

  • someone, who can't take the hard decisions
  • cannot set rules and follow them
  • playing safe, while avoiding troubles...

Weak moderation is all this community had in past time, and if you can't make the hard decisions, when the community wants them, then you're also weak, wouldn't you agree?


Unfortunately, I see you, and one other candidate, take this mod job as an opportunity to be liked and respected. You forget that your duty is to the people in the forum, not your own needs. You would be liked, but never respected.

Out of all the candidates I've seen so far, I can only vote for Graphenium - he's the only one, who saw a true problem in the community, and didn't even wait for a mod to start round tables discussions but did it himself.

In contrast, you want the same position, while showing no qualities than a regular user. Your philosophical approach is not a requirement for a good mod, in my opinion. Good user, bad mod.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 24 days ago +1 / -0

How can you tell the difference between a real newly joined human and AI chatbot/shill?

A person who makes a commitment to respect, fairness, and transparency is held to it not only by us humans but also by (God in) the universal order that punishes broken commitment. Humans are imperfect, but setting guards is sufficient for the dialogue and growth you seek to flourish. Other guards are possible than those I suggested, they are only a note to the community.

In your first link, the voting on the discussion proceeding is +30/-15, but of 16 main replies only 2 agree with OP and the vast majority reject OP. A mod who judges solely based on a vote total for a discussion wouldn't be taking the whole situation into account. When I held a community discussion on what I thought was an obvious troll, I was shocked to find that there was more mercy in the community than there was demand for resolution of injustice, so we didn't act at that time other than to define a probation (which the "troll" later broke, allowing us to ban).

If the community wants an action being done (these examples provided. I even exclude all of mine...) what mod would provide it? And how can a useless mod be convinced that they are truly circumspective?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? We can only pray that the mod team be based enough that they do have good ear to what the community wants by clear consensus, that they do respond to appeals and allow objections, etc. We only have the people who are here from which to choose. If God puts you in an outpost where there isn't critical mass for establishing a law-abiding system with good guards, then you live under anarchic rules until something better comes along. If you have a tyrant, it's much the same. But humanity has discovered that there are a number of principles of deliberative assembly that have great effect toward minimizing (or at least pushing back) tendencies to these abuses. So, specifically, Conspiracies will either find a mod team it can live with and be stuck with it until something better happens, or it will go on as is, and either way we can only live our best lives (including educating each other about these principles of good governance in the hopes of such improvement).

Weak moderation is all this community had in past time

I think that's the first time I've heard u/axolotl_peyotl or u/clemaneuverers characterized as weak.

if you can't make the hard decisions

I need not give more of my resume of hard decisions until you acknowledge what I've already given of it.

Unfortunately, I see you, and one other candidate, take this mod job as an opportunity to be liked and respected.

What a perspective! I came to Win without care of whether I was liked or respected but only to do the Lord's work here. He blessed it. I do seek to understand everyone and not to mark anyone as recalcitrant unless they cross a specific red line (I think one person has in 5 years). But I do judge individual actions all the time, including those that violate TOS including individual forum rules. The fact that you don't agree with my judgments about Will isn't proof either of us are right or are in agreement with community consensus; it's just that, if either of us were mod, the other might appeal the one's decision on this and a dialogue like this would ensue, and the mod team would continue to judge the appeal based on whether any new information indicates error in the judgment. Your characterizing this disagreement as a general personality trait of people-pleasing, when I express no interest in people-pleasing even as I seek to speak the gospel in language that they receive, is rather broad-brushed.

Anyway, all that's to answer your questions and explain my position in light of your judgment of it. As for trying to prove my mod abilities to you, I'm almost a week past all that now, so your continuing to harp on that point is rather interesting. It's pretty clear that there's no critical mass here to push the status quo very far at all, and in terms of what I could do as user or mod I don't see the call to do much more any given week than I did last week. All I see is a feelgood concept that having a mod team would be better, differently conceived by everyone who expresses that. I may comment more publicly to that effect.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 27 days ago +1 / -0

Point is, you can't request sticky without active moderators, so I propose (ad) that you vote YES on active moderators.

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