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You will fall to the bountiless generosity of the Great Grandfather Nurgle, and you will be happy. (media.scored.co)
posted 139 days ago by Mrexreturns 139 days ago by Mrexreturns +15 / -0
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– SmithW1984 1 point 132 days ago +1 / -0

That's correct! We can't know for sure anything. We can only assume. We've been indoctrinated almost 24/7 for all our lives. This we know of.

That's a contradiction. If you can't know anything for sure, you can't know this for sure either. If everything is possibly fake and gay indoctrination, how do you know the belief that everything is fake is not a product of indoctrination also?

In philosophy this is called epistemic nihilism - the inability to know anything and thus the inability to make any arguments and truth statements at all. It's a self-defeating position that reduces to absurdity.

That's a good question actually. So, your assumption is that only official Church has the monopoly on truth. Ok, which one? Catholic? What about Orthodox? Which one of those is correct?

Yes, there is only one apostolic Church that was established by Christ. It's head is Christ Himself and the Church is His body - it's not a man-made institution. It is defined by uninterrupted apostolic succession and unchanging teachings and practices throughout history. The only Church that meets this criteria would be the Eastern Orthodox.

The Church has a monopoly on truth because the Truth is Christ Himself: "I am the way, the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me." Just because there are many options and perspectives, it doesn't mean the truth isn't one and that it can't be known.

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– ewxilk 1 point 132 days ago +1 / -0

That's a contradiction. If you can't know anything for sure, you can't know this for sure either.

I think you're just splitting hairs now. There's no need to absolutise everything. I meant this more like a general direction. Like an overall guideline. We can't know anything. Who knows, maybe all this is simulated? Maybe I'm dreaming all this. Or maybe I'm just a hallucination of the God. However, if I see that it rains outside, for all intents and purposes, I do know that it rains outside. There are various levels of truth and reality.

The only Church that meets this criteria would be the Eastern Orthodox.

Well, I'm not in that camp although I do live in a country where Eastern Orthodoxy has significant amount of followers. That said, even Eastern Orthodox is not quite monolithic. There are Old Believers and there are general Eastern Orthodoxy, different countries practice differently, it is influenced by politics and so on, and so on.

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– SmithW1984 1 point 132 days ago +1 / -0

I think you're just splitting hairs now. There's no need to absolutise everything. I meant this more like a general direction. Like an overall guideline. We can't know anything. Who knows, maybe all this is simulated? Maybe I'm dreaming all this. Or maybe I'm just a hallucination of the God.

I'm not splitting hairs. The position that nothing can be known for sure and that everything may be simulated is self-defeating because if that were the case, your belief that everything is an illusion is also an illusion.

However, if I see that it rains outside, for all intents and purposes, I do know that it rains outside. There are various levels of truth and reality.

So you choose to trust your senses. But on what grounds? How do you determine what the levels of truth and reality are when you yourself are limited by your subjectivity, physical/temporal existence and senses?

Well, I'm not in that camp although I do live in a country where Eastern Orthodoxy has significant amount of followers. That said, even Eastern Orthodox is not quite monolithic. There are Old Believers and there are general Eastern Orthodoxy, different countries practice differently, it is influenced by politics and so on, and so on.

There is only one EO Church and different dioceses are in communion. Their differences are not theological and are covered under what is called oeconomia. A Russian Orthodox person can go to an Orthodox Church on the other side of the world in Africa and get communion there.

Old believers are considered schismatics, although they may have a point. The thing is there can't be more than one true Church.

PS: If you're curious about why the Orthodox Church is the true one, I recommend checking Jay Dyer's videos on the subject like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvWvabTkPY

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