It's called the 1st century because it's the one Jesus manifested in. It's called the "Old Testament" because it was all kinds of godly testimony sitting around ready for him when he came to give new testimony. So everybody knew that Daniel 7 said world-shaking things would happen at the end but God would fix everything through the perfect Man he had appointed, and Jesus said he would come and be that Man when the time came. We just trust that.
Here is Daniel 7 GNT in the same translation as you are reading. Note that you can flip through the menu to get better translations too, in modern English, and I certainly recommend NASB1995, as well as ESV and NKJV. But Daniel was assured, centuries before Jesus, that all the star wars would not matter because God's people would know to seek him for protection and would receive it.
Now, Nibiru and Anunnaki and NASA and slavery (betting is a form of slavery), all that is secondary to being protected in Jesus, and it gets revealed when you know you're into him. Lately we've seen bio and cyber attacks like never before, and yet somehow God's people muddled through it and are stronger because of trusting in him; and Jesus's point is that even when it gets worse we'll still have ways revealed to us of surviving and thriving. Keep reading his story and you'll see him!
ok so I'm reading this Daniel 7. Wasn't sure about looking up stuff when it could be some shenanigan religion. But checking it out here.
DANIEL DESCRIBES HIS VISIONS (7.1—12.13)
Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts
7 In the first year that Belshazzar was king of Babylonia, I had a dream and saw a vision in the night. I wrote the dream down, and this is the record 2 of what I saw that night:
Winds were blowing from all directions and lashing the surface of the ocean. 3 Four huge beasts came up out of the ocean, each one different from the others. 4 The first one looked like a lion, but had wings like an eagle. While I was watching, the wings were torn off. The beast was lifted up and made to stand up straight. And then a human mind was given to it.
5 The second beast looked like a bear standing on its hind legs. It was holding three ribs between its teeth, and a voice said to it, “Go on, eat as much meat as you can!”
6 While I was watching, another beast appeared. It looked like a leopard, but on its back there were four wings, like the wings of a bird, and it had four heads. It had a look of authority about it.
7 As I was watching, a fourth beast appeared. It was powerful, horrible, terrifying. With its huge iron teeth it crushed its victims, and then it trampled on them. Unlike the other beasts, it had ten horns. 8 While I was staring at the horns, I saw a little horn coming up among the others. It tore out three of the horns that were already there. This horn had human eyes and a mouth that was boasting proudly.
Hang on.. some people say it's "symbolic" but when I read about these types of creatures that 'll have an animal head and another animal's body part, that's like the witchcraft beasts. Look up those demons they can be mixed like that. Could be early prototypes that Yahweh was testing out. So.. whatever this guy's describing.. that's just those types.
This is what it's called "In folklore, a chimera is a mythical creature with parts from multiple animals". That's all this stuff is.. even God had some of those going on with his bodyguards. Let me look that up. Remembered those 3 off the top of my head. "cherubim, ophanim, seraphim".
Looking this up, seeing a page but they have an extra besides those.. "The Four Living Creatures".
6 In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.
7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.
8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings.
Yeah.. so what's so unusual with these beasts this Daniel dude is seeing. It's just more of those early prototypes.
Keep reading. In verse 14 God's appointed Man defeats all the beast-nations. In 17 the beasts are defined as kings (and their kingdoms), and special attention is given to the final defeat, the fourth beast. That's the time the heavenly powers will be shaken.
By Jesus's time it was understood that Daniel's four kingdoms most likely referred to Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, so people were looking for Rome to be defeated; but Jesus said it wouldn't be that simple and the vision is still future. Whether it's generic or specific, we trust that we will get that victory over the heavenly powers, but it will probably be accompanied by atmospheric signs like solar blackouts (e.g., smog, volcano, nuclear).
So what do you think about this stuff here.. you think that's gonna happen soon? Like when's this supposed to go on. I guess there'd be some "signs", eh. Like what. And then, isn't there some "anti-christ" too.
I looked up this image file I had seasons ago.. Timeline of the book of revelation. 3229 x 1694 pixels.
Remember, that's one man's view, Clarence Larkin, which is pretty good but which requires some context and may contain error (I haven't read the whole thing, but have seen it before).
Where one puts the rapture has been hotly debated, so he takes the pretrib view, which is one of the mainstream views but one I don't take.
Given that, what I tell people is that we are somewhere inclusively between "church 7" (Laodicea) and "seal 5" (martyrs). Church 6 is believed to be past (church having moved from favored to lukewarm), and seal 6 appears so clear that it must be future (it includes the first blackout, Rev. 6:12, black sun, blood moon, cast stars, rolling heavens, moved mountains). This includes the first direct attack on heavenly powers too.
I believe that the first 5 seals correspond to 5 "horsemen" that have a final mission (probably future) but also have been on mission for thousands of years, reading from Zechariah 1 and 6. (People say 4, but I say Hades is the 5th.) So I say the present corresponds to aspects of each: the lukewarm church, the heavenly worship, and the first five plagues. The precise identification of which aspect prevails at any given time need not be finally determined right now.
The nature of signs is compared to labor, which has two kinds of signs: one is ordinary pangs, which come and go but which tell you the event is close without a rough deadline, and the other is definite crisis marks (such as water breaking) which tell you the event must take place directly in connection with those signs and which usually give you a rough deadline. In our era the pangs of dramatic upheaval have been increasing gradually but the specific crisis events have not happened yet. For instance, sacrificing a red heifer is not a crisis event but it removes a bar to other crisis events happening. Personally I think that at least either Putin or Netanyahu will be replaced before the full crisis can take place.
However, there are certain events that are "imminent" meaning they can happen at any time, immediately without any precursor, and the red heifer is one of those, as are various plagues; but the blackouts and the space forces are not "imminent" in that sense even though they could happen within a year, for instance.
I have accumulated a whole lot of detail, and it is best taken in bite-sized pieces! Here is my outline of Revelation, in which there is fully valid chronology and no claim of "parenthesis" or "repetition". You can compare that with Larkin and focus on the similarities and get a pretty good picture of the focus and the variety within Christianity.
Now, appropriate to Conspiracies forum, we should also be open to alternatives. I support the Christian view because as a theorist I think it makes the most sense and answers the most questions. If we took the view that Christianity is bunk but all ancient texts have resonances that indicate the future, we'd still arrive at much the same conclusion. If we took the view that some other narrative has much stronger resonances, then we'd have the question of how many ways are there to preserve self and fight space evils, and the Christian fragments would still arise as one of several viable theories even if others may seem stronger. So this can be taken with a grain of salt; but what I seek to prevent is the idea that Revelation is contradictory or useless, because that does not credit it like other ancient texts are credited.
History is easier than you make out!
It's called the 1st century because it's the one Jesus manifested in. It's called the "Old Testament" because it was all kinds of godly testimony sitting around ready for him when he came to give new testimony. So everybody knew that Daniel 7 said world-shaking things would happen at the end but God would fix everything through the perfect Man he had appointed, and Jesus said he would come and be that Man when the time came. We just trust that.
Here is Daniel 7 GNT in the same translation as you are reading. Note that you can flip through the menu to get better translations too, in modern English, and I certainly recommend NASB1995, as well as ESV and NKJV. But Daniel was assured, centuries before Jesus, that all the star wars would not matter because God's people would know to seek him for protection and would receive it.
Now, Nibiru and Anunnaki and NASA and slavery (betting is a form of slavery), all that is secondary to being protected in Jesus, and it gets revealed when you know you're into him. Lately we've seen bio and cyber attacks like never before, and yet somehow God's people muddled through it and are stronger because of trusting in him; and Jesus's point is that even when it gets worse we'll still have ways revealed to us of surviving and thriving. Keep reading his story and you'll see him!
ok so I'm reading this Daniel 7. Wasn't sure about looking up stuff when it could be some shenanigan religion. But checking it out here.
DANIEL DESCRIBES HIS VISIONS (7.1—12.13) Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts 7 In the first year that Belshazzar was king of Babylonia, I had a dream and saw a vision in the night. I wrote the dream down, and this is the record 2 of what I saw that night:
Winds were blowing from all directions and lashing the surface of the ocean. 3 Four huge beasts came up out of the ocean, each one different from the others. 4 The first one looked like a lion, but had wings like an eagle. While I was watching, the wings were torn off. The beast was lifted up and made to stand up straight. And then a human mind was given to it.
5 The second beast looked like a bear standing on its hind legs. It was holding three ribs between its teeth, and a voice said to it, “Go on, eat as much meat as you can!”
6 While I was watching, another beast appeared. It looked like a leopard, but on its back there were four wings, like the wings of a bird, and it had four heads. It had a look of authority about it.
7 As I was watching, a fourth beast appeared. It was powerful, horrible, terrifying. With its huge iron teeth it crushed its victims, and then it trampled on them. Unlike the other beasts, it had ten horns. 8 While I was staring at the horns, I saw a little horn coming up among the others. It tore out three of the horns that were already there. This horn had human eyes and a mouth that was boasting proudly.
Hang on.. some people say it's "symbolic" but when I read about these types of creatures that 'll have an animal head and another animal's body part, that's like the witchcraft beasts. Look up those demons they can be mixed like that. Could be early prototypes that Yahweh was testing out. So.. whatever this guy's describing.. that's just those types.
This is what it's called "In folklore, a chimera is a mythical creature with parts from multiple animals". That's all this stuff is.. even God had some of those going on with his bodyguards. Let me look that up. Remembered those 3 off the top of my head. "cherubim, ophanim, seraphim".
Looking this up, seeing a page but they have an extra besides those.. "The Four Living Creatures".
6 In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings.
Yeah.. so what's so unusual with these beasts this Daniel dude is seeing. It's just more of those early prototypes.
Keep reading. In verse 14 God's appointed Man defeats all the beast-nations. In 17 the beasts are defined as kings (and their kingdoms), and special attention is given to the final defeat, the fourth beast. That's the time the heavenly powers will be shaken.
By Jesus's time it was understood that Daniel's four kingdoms most likely referred to Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, so people were looking for Rome to be defeated; but Jesus said it wouldn't be that simple and the vision is still future. Whether it's generic or specific, we trust that we will get that victory over the heavenly powers, but it will probably be accompanied by atmospheric signs like solar blackouts (e.g., smog, volcano, nuclear).
So what do you think about this stuff here.. you think that's gonna happen soon? Like when's this supposed to go on. I guess there'd be some "signs", eh. Like what. And then, isn't there some "anti-christ" too.
I looked up this image file I had seasons ago.. Timeline of the book of revelation. 3229 x 1694 pixels.
https://i.imgur.com/KxcwR6I.jpeg
So where are we in that timeline chart.
Remember, that's one man's view, Clarence Larkin, which is pretty good but which requires some context and may contain error (I haven't read the whole thing, but have seen it before).
Where one puts the rapture has been hotly debated, so he takes the pretrib view, which is one of the mainstream views but one I don't take.
Given that, what I tell people is that we are somewhere inclusively between "church 7" (Laodicea) and "seal 5" (martyrs). Church 6 is believed to be past (church having moved from favored to lukewarm), and seal 6 appears so clear that it must be future (it includes the first blackout, Rev. 6:12, black sun, blood moon, cast stars, rolling heavens, moved mountains). This includes the first direct attack on heavenly powers too.
I believe that the first 5 seals correspond to 5 "horsemen" that have a final mission (probably future) but also have been on mission for thousands of years, reading from Zechariah 1 and 6. (People say 4, but I say Hades is the 5th.) So I say the present corresponds to aspects of each: the lukewarm church, the heavenly worship, and the first five plagues. The precise identification of which aspect prevails at any given time need not be finally determined right now.
The nature of signs is compared to labor, which has two kinds of signs: one is ordinary pangs, which come and go but which tell you the event is close without a rough deadline, and the other is definite crisis marks (such as water breaking) which tell you the event must take place directly in connection with those signs and which usually give you a rough deadline. In our era the pangs of dramatic upheaval have been increasing gradually but the specific crisis events have not happened yet. For instance, sacrificing a red heifer is not a crisis event but it removes a bar to other crisis events happening. Personally I think that at least either Putin or Netanyahu will be replaced before the full crisis can take place.
However, there are certain events that are "imminent" meaning they can happen at any time, immediately without any precursor, and the red heifer is one of those, as are various plagues; but the blackouts and the space forces are not "imminent" in that sense even though they could happen within a year, for instance.
I have accumulated a whole lot of detail, and it is best taken in bite-sized pieces! Here is my outline of Revelation, in which there is fully valid chronology and no claim of "parenthesis" or "repetition". You can compare that with Larkin and focus on the similarities and get a pretty good picture of the focus and the variety within Christianity.
Now, appropriate to Conspiracies forum, we should also be open to alternatives. I support the Christian view because as a theorist I think it makes the most sense and answers the most questions. If we took the view that Christianity is bunk but all ancient texts have resonances that indicate the future, we'd still arrive at much the same conclusion. If we took the view that some other narrative has much stronger resonances, then we'd have the question of how many ways are there to preserve self and fight space evils, and the Christian fragments would still arise as one of several viable theories even if others may seem stronger. So this can be taken with a grain of salt; but what I seek to prevent is the idea that Revelation is contradictory or useless, because that does not credit it like other ancient texts are credited.