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What are they talking about here.. "and the powers in space will be driven from their course". Like what's going on with this scenario.. seems pretty major with "the sun will grow dark, the moon will no longer shine, the stars will fall from heaven". Is this some kind of alien invasion they foresaw? (media.scored.co)
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– SwampRangers 1 point 213 days ago +1 / -0

Remember, that's one man's view, Clarence Larkin, which is pretty good but which requires some context and may contain error (I haven't read the whole thing, but have seen it before).

Where one puts the rapture has been hotly debated, so he takes the pretrib view, which is one of the mainstream views but one I don't take.

Given that, what I tell people is that we are somewhere inclusively between "church 7" (Laodicea) and "seal 5" (martyrs). Church 6 is believed to be past (church having moved from favored to lukewarm), and seal 6 appears so clear that it must be future (it includes the first blackout, Rev. 6:12, black sun, blood moon, cast stars, rolling heavens, moved mountains). This includes the first direct attack on heavenly powers too.

I believe that the first 5 seals correspond to 5 "horsemen" that have a final mission (probably future) but also have been on mission for thousands of years, reading from Zechariah 1 and 6. (People say 4, but I say Hades is the 5th.) So I say the present corresponds to aspects of each: the lukewarm church, the heavenly worship, and the first five plagues. The precise identification of which aspect prevails at any given time need not be finally determined right now.

The nature of signs is compared to labor, which has two kinds of signs: one is ordinary pangs, which come and go but which tell you the event is close without a rough deadline, and the other is definite crisis marks (such as water breaking) which tell you the event must take place directly in connection with those signs and which usually give you a rough deadline. In our era the pangs of dramatic upheaval have been increasing gradually but the specific crisis events have not happened yet. For instance, sacrificing a red heifer is not a crisis event but it removes a bar to other crisis events happening. Personally I think that at least either Putin or Netanyahu will be replaced before the full crisis can take place.

However, there are certain events that are "imminent" meaning they can happen at any time, immediately without any precursor, and the red heifer is one of those, as are various plagues; but the blackouts and the space forces are not "imminent" in that sense even though they could happen within a year, for instance.

I have accumulated a whole lot of detail, and it is best taken in bite-sized pieces! Here is my outline of Revelation, in which there is fully valid chronology and no claim of "parenthesis" or "repetition". You can compare that with Larkin and focus on the similarities and get a pretty good picture of the focus and the variety within Christianity.

Now, appropriate to Conspiracies forum, we should also be open to alternatives. I support the Christian view because as a theorist I think it makes the most sense and answers the most questions. If we took the view that Christianity is bunk but all ancient texts have resonances that indicate the future, we'd still arrive at much the same conclusion. If we took the view that some other narrative has much stronger resonances, then we'd have the question of how many ways are there to preserve self and fight space evils, and the Christian fragments would still arise as one of several viable theories even if others may seem stronger. So this can be taken with a grain of salt; but what I seek to prevent is the idea that Revelation is contradictory or useless, because that does not credit it like other ancient texts are credited.

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– newfunturistic [S] 2 points 213 days ago +2 / -0

That took up a lot of your time. Hang on.. as I'm reading this, going to check that diagram. Man.. that's complex.. ok I'm up to this "here" part, I'll check that. Allright, I'm over at this post. All this stuff is totally complex. Sounds like there's gonna be super trouble though. Doesn't sound like in our lifetime. But who knows. You sure know your stuff though.

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