Yes, if it's a threat of violence, it's condemned.
If it's an allusion to violence, that's not often a threat and it's also much more subjective to judge. There was a recent exchange in the hypothetical voice that we debated but eventually agreed was removable. We're not here to remove all allusions to violence that people might take personally, or people might start saying they feel threatened when we speak of the deservingness of this or that Mideastern people-group.
If it's possibly readable as theology, that often gets a pass too because it's more charitable to read it as theological than as actually intentionally violent.
We do acknowledge imperfection in our actions. What I recall being asked 4 years ago was specific adjustments, and I went over the decisions with you and we made adjustments.
A covenant to work together is not a golem, it's a joint agreement to work as a body. All joint agreements in the world work like that.
So those seem to me to be fair definitions, without equivocation. If you don't think so, please feel free to drill down more specifically.
Why is it impossible for you to simply state “yeah man, it’s fucked up that anyone would ever say ‘all your kids deserve to be murdered’, much less the guy I picked to help me mod c/Christianity, I’ve talked to him about this and he knows it’s unacceptable behavior”?
I think I know why. I think you like the plausible deniability he gives you. I think you think you derive benefit from the goodcop badcop routine. You don’t. More importantly, the community doesn’t.
Because I'm not very absolutist and I find nuances to most things. In context, I remember judging that the words he actually used had theological import known to most people who hang out in churches.
If you don't save links there's not that much we can do. I did an ordinary search for the offense but couldn't find the specific comment. Here is one where we discussed it to give you the specific timeframe. My immediate guess is that it occurred in a neutral forum and he edited or deleted it on his own. If so, that would mean that he decided simply that it was inappropriate, to which I'd agree. But if I'm to judge a comment as the first-responder moderator, I've been instructed by admin to review everything with a hope to retain it when possible. That's why I can't say that that phrase should be automatically removed every time it appears, as if by an automod.
More to the point, he's modified the way he speaks, and your bringing up the past doesn't account for that. Ordinarily we ask people to make it right (change the record), apologize, and not do it again, and that's what it appears has happened. My apology also indicates willingness to go with you where things need to go. So let me know what we can do.
Looks like everything you said on the subject was a lie, he wasn’t in the least bit contrite, and it was in a House of God, though not the den of vipers and iniquity you two have cultivated.
“All of your children deserve to be brutally murdered because you’re an asshole” - this is not a statement of some generic original sin, this is a physical threat and you’re a fucking kike faggot for equivocating over it
Or, if it really is biblically sound, go make a new post on c/Christianity with that title, “all of your kids deserve to be brutally murdered because you’re such a fucking asshole” - see how that goes over. Tag anyone you know has kids. See what they think about their local priest acting like such a fucking freak. See what they think about their other local priest deeming it biblically sound theology.
Thank you for linking the statement by u/CuomoisaMassMurderer. I wasn't lying, or mistaken, I was referring to a different incident; it wasn't in a "House of God" because ChristianAnarchism doesn't purport to be a house of any kind, but if you want to say he said it in a Christian-focused forum that wouldn't exaggerate. Also he's not anyone's "priest" so you're exaggerating again.
I note you didn't link your provocation, which is a bit too strong for me to quote directly. I could see how the fact that you accused him of what could be a capital offense could be taken as a physical threat too, and if you don't see that then I could see how you'd think I'm equivocating again.
But either way he demonstrated that you don't talk like that on the internet and then get the right to whine about the next reply as if one was objectively more escalatory than the other. When both people escalate, both are at fault. I'm pretty sure I said so at the time, but I could be wrong. I didn't say the whole comment was Biblically sound theology, I said it tied to theology despite its overreach. What I said earlier in this thread wasn't about that comment.
Now, given all that, without equivocating, is it wrong for a moderator of a Christian forum, one that seeks to be a home for a cell of the body of Christ, to speak that quote in a different forum? Yes. That would be a comment that there'd be no objection to autofiltering if someone chose.
What do you want to do about everybody who escalates such conversations into vile topics like this comment, including yourself and myself? If you want him to apologize, do you apologize? If you want him to remove his comment, do you remove yours? I've always appreciated your doggedness, but in this case it blinds you to your own behavior; you might argue moral equivalence doesn't apply because he hurt you and you hurt only him, but I think you can see through that one.
Why is it impossible for you to simply state “yeah man, it’s fucked up that anyone would ever say ‘all your kids deserve to be murdered’,
You've made it a hobby horse to whinge about Israel supposedly "targeting children," blatantly pretending that Iranian proxies haven't intentionally attacked Israel from positions under towns, in mosques, in schools, and in hospitals.
Therefore fuck you, bigly.
If you're too stupid to be able to understand this, that's not my problem.
There's more than enough blame to go around to all sides in that conflict, and they're going to continue to kill each other no matter what we do. They were doing that thousands of years before the US existed, it's the height of arrogance to suppose we'd be able to stop them.
I think I know why
You just make shit up. You assign ZERO value to truth.
Yes, if it's a threat of violence, it's condemned.
If it's an allusion to violence, that's not often a threat and it's also much more subjective to judge. There was a recent exchange in the hypothetical voice that we debated but eventually agreed was removable. We're not here to remove all allusions to violence that people might take personally, or people might start saying they feel threatened when we speak of the deservingness of this or that Mideastern people-group.
If it's possibly readable as theology, that often gets a pass too because it's more charitable to read it as theological than as actually intentionally violent.
We do acknowledge imperfection in our actions. What I recall being asked 4 years ago was specific adjustments, and I went over the decisions with you and we made adjustments.
A covenant to work together is not a golem, it's a joint agreement to work as a body. All joint agreements in the world work like that.
So those seem to me to be fair definitions, without equivocation. If you don't think so, please feel free to drill down more specifically.
I’m reading 4.9 paragraphs of equivocation here.
Why is it impossible for you to simply state “yeah man, it’s fucked up that anyone would ever say ‘all your kids deserve to be murdered’, much less the guy I picked to help me mod c/Christianity, I’ve talked to him about this and he knows it’s unacceptable behavior”?
I think I know why. I think you like the plausible deniability he gives you. I think you think you derive benefit from the goodcop badcop routine. You don’t. More importantly, the community doesn’t.
Because I'm not very absolutist and I find nuances to most things. In context, I remember judging that the words he actually used had theological import known to most people who hang out in churches.
If you don't save links there's not that much we can do. I did an ordinary search for the offense but couldn't find the specific comment. Here is one where we discussed it to give you the specific timeframe. My immediate guess is that it occurred in a neutral forum and he edited or deleted it on his own. If so, that would mean that he decided simply that it was inappropriate, to which I'd agree. But if I'm to judge a comment as the first-responder moderator, I've been instructed by admin to review everything with a hope to retain it when possible. That's why I can't say that that phrase should be automatically removed every time it appears, as if by an automod.
More to the point, he's modified the way he speaks, and your bringing up the past doesn't account for that. Ordinarily we ask people to make it right (change the record), apologize, and not do it again, and that's what it appears has happened. My apology also indicates willingness to go with you where things need to go. So let me know what we can do.
Yap yap yap yap yap yap - swamprangers
Looks like everything you said on the subject was a lie, he wasn’t in the least bit contrite, and it was in a House of God, though not the den of vipers and iniquity you two have cultivated.
“All of your children deserve to be brutally murdered because you’re an asshole” - this is not a statement of some generic original sin, this is a physical threat and you’re a fucking kike faggot for equivocating over it
Or, if it really is biblically sound, go make a new post on c/Christianity with that title, “all of your kids deserve to be brutally murdered because you’re such a fucking asshole” - see how that goes over. Tag anyone you know has kids. See what they think about their local priest acting like such a fucking freak. See what they think about their other local priest deeming it biblically sound theology.
Dogfaced ponysoldier man.
Thank you for linking the statement by u/CuomoisaMassMurderer. I wasn't lying, or mistaken, I was referring to a different incident; it wasn't in a "House of God" because ChristianAnarchism doesn't purport to be a house of any kind, but if you want to say he said it in a Christian-focused forum that wouldn't exaggerate. Also he's not anyone's "priest" so you're exaggerating again.
I note you didn't link your provocation, which is a bit too strong for me to quote directly. I could see how the fact that you accused him of what could be a capital offense could be taken as a physical threat too, and if you don't see that then I could see how you'd think I'm equivocating again.
But either way he demonstrated that you don't talk like that on the internet and then get the right to whine about the next reply as if one was objectively more escalatory than the other. When both people escalate, both are at fault. I'm pretty sure I said so at the time, but I could be wrong. I didn't say the whole comment was Biblically sound theology, I said it tied to theology despite its overreach. What I said earlier in this thread wasn't about that comment.
Now, given all that, without equivocating, is it wrong for a moderator of a Christian forum, one that seeks to be a home for a cell of the body of Christ, to speak that quote in a different forum? Yes. That would be a comment that there'd be no objection to autofiltering if someone chose.
What do you want to do about everybody who escalates such conversations into vile topics like this comment, including yourself and myself? If you want him to apologize, do you apologize? If you want him to remove his comment, do you remove yours? I've always appreciated your doggedness, but in this case it blinds you to your own behavior; you might argue moral equivalence doesn't apply because he hurt you and you hurt only him, but I think you can see through that one.
You have no idea what a threat IS.
I didn't realize English was a second language to you. Even so, you're supposed to learn what words mean before you use them.
You've made it a hobby horse to whinge about Israel supposedly "targeting children," blatantly pretending that Iranian proxies haven't intentionally attacked Israel from positions under towns, in mosques, in schools, and in hospitals.
Therefore fuck you, bigly.
If you're too stupid to be able to understand this, that's not my problem.
There's more than enough blame to go around to all sides in that conflict, and they're going to continue to kill each other no matter what we do. They were doing that thousands of years before the US existed, it's the height of arrogance to suppose we'd be able to stop them.
You just make shit up. You assign ZERO value to truth.
Wow, I’m sickened by both the yids literally murdering tens of thousands of innocent children, and I’m sickened by your psychopathic outbursts.
How is this confusing to you, you fucking braindead faggot?
I'm not confused that you have NO comprehension of anything you see or read.