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Cooking oils used by millions linked to cancer in second study in a week (www.dailymail.co.uk)
posted 1 year ago by dukey 1 year ago by dukey +23 / -1
Cooking oils used by millions linked to cancer in second study in week
New research from UCLA showed men with prostate tumors who ate seed oils had faster growing tumors than those who cut the product out of their diet
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– CrazyRussian 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

What does this "seed oil" means? Sunflower and olive oil used for millenia in different cuisines, and nobody ever accounted it as harmful.

Here we use sunflower oil, olive oil, butter and animal fat (pork or mutton one, mostly) for cooking.

Butter is preferrable for frying (on frying pan - fried eggs, pancakes, etc). Pork fat often used for fried eggs or potato. Sunflower oil used for frying and salads. Olive oil used only as salad dressing.

Some dishes, mostly of central asia origin, like pilaf or cheburek, made in deep frying pan filled with the animal fat melted from fat parts of pork or mutton (suet?).

Also, there is a cheaper butter replacement - margarine (butter diluted with sunflower oil suspension), but it is not very popular and used only in baking mostly as a separation grease, not as real ingridient. Most prefer pure butter or sunflower oil for baking even as grease for baking mold.

All that oils are used for millenia in cuisines popular in Russia, and there is no any signs that they are somehow harmful.

We have many different oils made from seeds in groceries, from flax oil to buckweet one, but it is mostly spice for dishes, not cooking oils/fats.

Are there some other oils popular in US/EU now? I don't remember any significant differences in assortment of EU groceries - butter, sunflower and olive oil, margarine. Don't remember pork fat as separate product, but fatty bacon was in quantities on the shelves and was pretty decent for fried eggs in the morning.

Also, use of oils/fats for frying is dropped, because of all that modern frying pan coatings, from PTFE to ceramic, so you don't need as much oil/fat as for cast iron frying pan if you just want to fry potatoes or vegetables.

Where this modern narrative about "seed oils" come from?

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– SmithW1984 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

What does this "seed oil" means? Sunflower and olive oil used for millenia in different cuisines, and nobody ever accounted it as harmful.

No, what our ancestors used was cold-pressed sunflower and olive oil but mostly animal fat since you're not greek. What is now being sold as food grade oil is processed under heat which degrades it and it was practically used just for oiling up machines 100 years ago. Canola is especially egregious since it's a gene modified rapeseed oil, which is naturally toxic for consumption. The only contender for worst choice of fat would be syoybean oil and margarine.

Where this modern narrative about "seed oils" come from?

You got it backwards - the false narrative is that seed oils are harmless. The truth is they are highly processed, unnatural, unsuitable for human consumption and promoters of chronic inflammation in the body (due to high Omega 6 content) leading to various diseases.

You should really dig deeper in this. Food and diet is one of the biggest psy ops of our modern world. Pretty much everything sold in the supermarkets, including the produce and meat, is fake and gray now.

because of all that modern frying pan coatings

There's a whole another rabbit hole about what those coatings are made of and the bio-accumulation of plastics like teflon in the organs (yes, in your balls too).

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

What is now being sold as food grade oil is processed under heat which degrades it

What's the point of adding this heating operation, say, for sunflower oil?

You got it backwards - the false narrative is that seed oils are harmless. The truth is they are highly processed, unnatural, unsuitable for human consumption

Wait a second. If that heavily processed seed oils are harmful, how does that mean that seed oils itself are harmful?

It's not seed oils, it is making something else from them with that processing is harmful.

I find it strange to project some evil human activity over the product on the product itself.

Food and diet is one of the biggest psy ops of our modern world.

Yes, like that shit with anti-sugar propaganda and replacing it with fructose or sweeteners. Sugar is most effective source of fuel for human brain, and someone want keep humanity dumb.

I think this "seed oils bad" is yet another one. Seed oils contain useful substances, say they are good source of tocopherols AKA vitamin E which is powerful antioxidant that prevent cancer and other shit. So anti-seed-oil propaganda could have a goal of lowering vitamin E consumption and so rise of cancer cases.

There's a whole another rabbit hole about what those coatings are made of and the bio-accumulation of plastics like teflon in the organs (yes, in your balls too).

Teflon AKA PTFE is one of the most inert substances in the world. Even fluoridic acid can't do anything with teflon. So teflon is the most harmless thing that could get into our body. :) I would be more concerned about food itself than about possible swallowing of tiny teflon chip.

That microplastic shit is a rabbit hole too, meanwhile.

Look, in the past, plastics was much less durable and many was based on phenols and other shit that was poorly stitched in polymer due to worse process. This plastics easily frayed out, weared and decomposed. So in the past we consumed much more microplastic than now. Modern plastics we have around is much more durable and most are unbelievably inert like PTFE, PP, PE, PETG and other. Modern ABS and PS also much better than polystirol from few decades earlier. Recall that old polystirol cases for computers and home appliances - they become yellow and turn brittle in few years sometime. Now ABS casings will stay like new for decades.

So, if microplastics is really a problem, we would see much higher casualities from it in the past, than now.

I think all that FUD pushed about sugar, microplastic, seed oils and other stuff that was perfectly fine not long ago is a cover for some really evil shit, like things that inserted/produced in our food supply, say during that deep food processing you mentioned earlier.

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– SmithW1984 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

What's the point of adding this heating operation, say, for sunflower oil?

The whole process yields more oil from the seeds and is faster than cold pressing.

It's not seed oils, it is making something else from them with that processing is harmful.

Correct. I'm not sure about the rest, but cold pressed sunflower oil (aka шарлан) is healthy. Olive oil is always cold pressed. Both are great. The reason seed oils get thrashed is because most of the time the highly processed is the one that dominates the market. One has too seek out cold pressed oil specifically and pay extra for it and 99% don't do that.

Yes, like that shit with anti-sugar propaganda and replacing it with fructose or sweeteners. Sugar is most effective source of fuel for human brain, and someone want keep humanity dumb.

It's the other way around. Too much sugar spikes insulin, promotes systematic inflammation and makes people dumb through insulin resistency which is accompanied with brain fog. People in the modern world eat tons more sugar than before and get most of their calories from simple carbs. Our body is not equipped for that and we get sick.

How could you even think there's anti-sugar propaganda when all the junk food made by the megacorporations is mostly sugar? The last time I checked people running the propaganda were the people at the top of the chain who control the markets.

Teflon AKA PTFE is one of the most inert substances in the world. Even fluoridic acid can't do anything with teflon. So teflon is the most harmless thing that could get into our body. :) I would be more concerned about food itself than about possible swallowing of tiny teflon chip.

That's exactly what happens - the coating flakes little by little and you ingest it. And because it's inert it doesn't get metabolized in the body and accumulates like all other plastics.

Modern plastics we have around is much more durable and most are unbelievably inert like PTFE, PP, PE, PETG and other. Modern ABS and PS also much better than polystirol from few decades earlier. Recall that old polystirol cases for computers and home appliances - they become yellow and turn brittle in few years sometime. Now ABS casings will stay like new for decades.

Single use plastic containers and coatings (like the coatings of food boxes, cans, cartons and coffee cups) are not made of high-grade plastics. It gets worse when they are in contact with hot and oily food or drink (never microwave plastic). BPA is still ubiquitous in plastic bottles, container coatings and cash slips which use thermal paper. It's also found in hygiene and cosmetic products. Which brings me to the next point - there are other ways one accumulates toxic compounds beside ingestion including skin contact and breathing.

BPA and phthalates fuck with your endocrine system and leads to infertility. This is where I put my tin foil hat on and say they knew plastics do that and started pushing them from the 60s onward as part of the depop agenda.

So, if microplastics is really a problem, we would see much higher casualities from it in the past, than now.

As mentioned, plastic use ramped up since the 60s but it wasn't ubiqtious until the 80s and 90s (https://journals.openedition.org/factsreports/docannexe/image/5071/img-2-small580.png). This means the first generation that suffer consequences are the millennials. Millennials' fertility is abysmal and it's not just the anti-natal propaganda but legitimate physiological problems.

Now I'm not saying it's just plastics and seed oils to blame for that, but they are a part of the toxic environment this generation (and the ones after it) have been raised in. It's a systematic attack - seed oils, soy, vaccines, lack of exercise, stress, nutrient deficient diet, too much carbs and sugars, toxic chemicals and plastics in the air, soil and water, EMR, etc. No one can fully escape it but you can do as much as it's in your power.

I think all that FUD pushed about sugar, microplastic, seed oils and other stuff that was perfectly fine not long ago is a cover for some really evil shit, like things that inserted/produced in our food supply, say during that deep food processing you mentioned earlier.

It was never fine as I pointed out. Your ancestors didn't eat that shit or handled plastics for thousands of years. No one was exposed to this even 100 years ago. This is an experiment and we're living it. I write this because I think you're reasonable and aware of many things and it may get you to research the topic more thoroughly.

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– Vlad_The_Impaler 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I think that the corporate fast food chains in America and maybe elsewhere kept trying to find cheaper and cheaper oils to fry the food in regardless of whether or not it was healthy. Much of the poisonous oils used for cooking are probably more a modern phenomenon with the corporate greed and incentive for high volume food preparation for low income prices.

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