Hardly this could be a start of WWIII. There was similar attacks on other arsenals earlier, f.e. in Voronezh oblast or Rostov-on-Don, but just like in previous cases this one does not have any significant influence on the battlefield. Also, only part of arsenal was destroyed, yesterday Maxxar published satellite images, most part of it survived - https://t.me/intelslava/66746.
Even if all that storage was destroyed, that will not change anything. It is reserves, not source of battlefield supply.
This mosquito bites are overhyped in Western MSM to the level of WWIII start events is more wishful thinking than something real. At the same time, destruction of western arsenals in "ukraine" that happens nearly every day, routenely, somehow stays completely out of their scope. Just yesterday at least two storage facilities was blown up in Kharkov and Sumy, along with destruction of communications headquaters of AFU. But Western MSM don't bother to even mention that.
If you need WWIII start events, better take a look at attempts to hit Russian NPPs in Kursk and Zaporozhye. Or that attempt to damage ICBM radar station or nuclear bombers airfields. This what could theoretically cause WWIII if succeed, but not neccesarily.
That "red lines" narrative is totally Western construct. We don't have that "red line" thing at all. "Red line" thing, in its core comes from overpopulated Europe, where feudals teared each other throats for additional field or village and thoroughly watch for their feuds borders.
Russians don't have that habit, we operate in completely another mode. There is even proverb - "Russian will not cross itself until thunder crush". It's not in our habit to draw lines for others and closely watch for them constantly if anybody cross them. We do something only if something happen, and only then assess reaction. But this does not mean we don't have multiple plans for possible problems and this does not mean we don't care. "Lay straw beforehand", "Prepare sleigh in summer and cart in winter", something like that. We don't have any "red lines" all of them are invented by Western politicians and MSM, we just react on the go if something happen.
I think this "red line" shit is used to create an illusion that Russia is inept, like "look we crossed their red line and they did not immidiately nuke us!". There are no red lines. There is actions and retaliation. And retaliation does not necessary exactly what West made up in their delusions.
Add to this that Russia is very bureaucratic state. For each action, somewhere some bureaucrat write a paper, where everything is documented - locations, perpetuator names, financial figures, etc., and put in corresponding file. Then, after some time, this page from file will be opened by some other bureaucrat who will have to do something about it. Many years could pass and nobody knows how exactly this action will be retaliated. But there is a paper in a file waiting for its time. From the outside it could look completely insane, but that's work in the long term. Say, decade later, say Finland will have to restore normal relations with Russia to fix their economy. And suddenly that file with that paper about launch of "ukrainian" drone from Finland will pop up. And Finland will have to do whatever we say to resolve that old issue - from extradition of all who participated in that shit for trial in Russia to some unpleasant concessions in future relations.
There was something markedly different about this one. but I would judge it pointless to discuss it with anyone who makes such a tremendously convincing case for themselves.
There was something markedly different about this one.
Well, the only difference I see is that bueaucrat who was responsible for building Toropets storage was arrested and jailed long before the strike for stealing taxpayer money and receiving bribes.
Hardly this could mark the start of WWIII.
At the same time I could imagine that Western elites who live in their own world truly secretly believe that WWIII already started and they head their imaginery battles. But that doesn't mean it really so. Most dangerous part of this delusion is that they could do some shit for real.
Whenever I tell people to believe whatever they want, that's rarely good enough for them. I came to realize they're not attempting to communicate with other people, but simply talking to themselves. I find this a clear mark of a certain type of human consciousness.
And when I point this point they never "get it", which is another clear mark.
Toropets weapon storage is an old place. Today it consists of two parts - old USSR surface storage (hangars in the forest) and new one, underground facility. From the latest Maxxar images you could clearly see that only old, forested area was seriously damaged, and new one, with separate underground chambers didn't. There is no problem to blow up surface hangar in a forest with a drone. Looks like that bureaucrat who supervised building a new underground storage and was jailed months before hit, delayed moving stuff from old hangars to underground chambers or just didn't bother about that old stuff. So, something was left in old surface hangars and detonated after a drone strike.
Probably as one of immediate consequences of that hit all other such storages that had to be modernised will be inspected, so may be more trials coming and more bureaucrats will be jailed. :)
Interesting to see someone with the viewpoint that Russians are incapable of lying. Does not seem that sophisticated a worldview. Can't imagine any informative analysis comes out of it, but I'm certain some people never wonder if they might be missing something.
We’ll probably never know if there was more to it.
There’s tons of conspiracies out there regarding micro nukes. I remember an incident in Bali. Some claim there’s nuclear chain reaction explosive devices that do not emit detectable radiation.
And then there’s the tesla wave demolishing device, mini black hole-type weapons, etc.
But I believe this was a standard missile attack based on those images in the report crazy rus cited.
If anyone cares to argue that detonation is remotely similar to what went off in Toropets, there's no helping them (you may know who I'm talking about). Nor is the ammunition itself exploding, since munitions fires cook them off one by one.
In fact, the blast (and/or other non-conventional effects) is so powerful that it sets off other areas of the depot, where you can see the serial detonations of munitions in the typical fashion of burning ammo.
It wasn't micro, either. I'd eyeball it to be at least 10kT. It's beyond ignorant for anyone to think the Russian leadership doesn't see what I see--and far more--and they've clamped a lid down tight before it all gets beyond anyone's control.
Had to look it up, it was like 20 years ago. joe Vialls…
“He also disputed the official explanation for the bombings of the Australian embassy and Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia's capital. Vialls asserted that the explosives that authorities claimed were used in the Indonesian bombings were not powerful enough to have caused the damage and casualties that resulted. He claimed to demonstrate from photographs of the aftermath of each of the bombings, compared to the photographs taken in Northern Ireland where a 1,000 pound IRA bomb did not leave a crater or strip concrete from buildings, that a "micronuke" from Mossad's Dimona research and development facility in the Negev desert had been used. Vialls claims a device similar to the smallest United States nuclear weapon known as the Davy Crockett or M-388 round, a version of the W54 warhead, a very small sub-kiloton fission device, was used in the attacks. The Mk-54 weighed about 51 lb (23 kg), with a selectable yield of 10 or 20 tons, which Vialls claimed was consistent with the damage inflicted in Bali and elsewhere. A complete Mk-54 round weighed 76 lb (34.5 kg). One criticism of Vialls' theory was the absence of any radiation in Bali after the explosion. Vialls explained this flaw by arguing that Geiger counters cannot effectively detect alpha radiation, the most likely radiation to be present after the detonation of a plutonium fission bomb, since alpha particles are large and do not penetrate the walls of the Geiger-Muller tubes adequately enough to register radiation.[11] In his investigation of the first Bali bomb, Vialls cited an opinion article in the Jakarta Post, Indonesia's largest English-language newspaper by circulation, written by an expatriate editor at the Post, which expounded a similar theory.”
I am sure they lie often but why would they lie about this? It would be in Russia´s interest to pretend that NATO or NATO weapons did this instead of a flimsy drone.
Hardly this could be a start of WWIII. There was similar attacks on other arsenals earlier, f.e. in Voronezh oblast or Rostov-on-Don, but just like in previous cases this one does not have any significant influence on the battlefield. Also, only part of arsenal was destroyed, yesterday Maxxar published satellite images, most part of it survived - https://t.me/intelslava/66746. Even if all that storage was destroyed, that will not change anything. It is reserves, not source of battlefield supply.
This mosquito bites are overhyped in Western MSM to the level of WWIII start events is more wishful thinking than something real. At the same time, destruction of western arsenals in "ukraine" that happens nearly every day, routenely, somehow stays completely out of their scope. Just yesterday at least two storage facilities was blown up in Kharkov and Sumy, along with destruction of communications headquaters of AFU. But Western MSM don't bother to even mention that.
If you need WWIII start events, better take a look at attempts to hit Russian NPPs in Kursk and Zaporozhye. Or that attempt to damage ICBM radar station or nuclear bombers airfields. This what could theoretically cause WWIII if succeed, but not neccesarily.
That "red lines" narrative is totally Western construct. We don't have that "red line" thing at all. "Red line" thing, in its core comes from overpopulated Europe, where feudals teared each other throats for additional field or village and thoroughly watch for their feuds borders.
Russians don't have that habit, we operate in completely another mode. There is even proverb - "Russian will not cross itself until thunder crush". It's not in our habit to draw lines for others and closely watch for them constantly if anybody cross them. We do something only if something happen, and only then assess reaction. But this does not mean we don't have multiple plans for possible problems and this does not mean we don't care. "Lay straw beforehand", "Prepare sleigh in summer and cart in winter", something like that. We don't have any "red lines" all of them are invented by Western politicians and MSM, we just react on the go if something happen.
I think this "red line" shit is used to create an illusion that Russia is inept, like "look we crossed their red line and they did not immidiately nuke us!". There are no red lines. There is actions and retaliation. And retaliation does not necessary exactly what West made up in their delusions.
Add to this that Russia is very bureaucratic state. For each action, somewhere some bureaucrat write a paper, where everything is documented - locations, perpetuator names, financial figures, etc., and put in corresponding file. Then, after some time, this page from file will be opened by some other bureaucrat who will have to do something about it. Many years could pass and nobody knows how exactly this action will be retaliated. But there is a paper in a file waiting for its time. From the outside it could look completely insane, but that's work in the long term. Say, decade later, say Finland will have to restore normal relations with Russia to fix their economy. And suddenly that file with that paper about launch of "ukrainian" drone from Finland will pop up. And Finland will have to do whatever we say to resolve that old issue - from extradition of all who participated in that shit for trial in Russia to some unpleasant concessions in future relations.
There was something markedly different about this one. but I would judge it pointless to discuss it with anyone who makes such a tremendously convincing case for themselves.
Well, the only difference I see is that bueaucrat who was responsible for building Toropets storage was arrested and jailed long before the strike for stealing taxpayer money and receiving bribes.
Hardly this could mark the start of WWIII.
At the same time I could imagine that Western elites who live in their own world truly secretly believe that WWIII already started and they head their imaginery battles. But that doesn't mean it really so. Most dangerous part of this delusion is that they could do some shit for real.
Whenever I tell people to believe whatever they want, that's rarely good enough for them. I came to realize they're not attempting to communicate with other people, but simply talking to themselves. I find this a clear mark of a certain type of human consciousness.
And when I point this point they never "get it", which is another clear mark.
A bit of additional info and analysis is available in the first couple of minutes of each of these videos:
Huge Russian Missile Depot Destroyed💥Another Ukrainian Offensive Failed⚔️Military Summary 2024.09.18 (YT Military Summary 9/18/2024)
Harvest Time🔥 Huge Ammo Depot Destroyed🎖Heavy Losses in Kursk💥Hrodivka Has Fallen🎖 MS For 2024.09.18 (YT Military Summary 9/18/2024)
We're already in a global war, already have been for awhile. This WW3 is just fought in a way the other two hadn't had the technology for.
Nice insight, thanks.
As for drone/not drone,what I digged for now:
Toropets weapon storage is an old place. Today it consists of two parts - old USSR surface storage (hangars in the forest) and new one, underground facility. From the latest Maxxar images you could clearly see that only old, forested area was seriously damaged, and new one, with separate underground chambers didn't. There is no problem to blow up surface hangar in a forest with a drone. Looks like that bureaucrat who supervised building a new underground storage and was jailed months before hit, delayed moving stuff from old hangars to underground chambers or just didn't bother about that old stuff. So, something was left in old surface hangars and detonated after a drone strike.
Probably as one of immediate consequences of that hit all other such storages that had to be modernised will be inspected, so may be more trials coming and more bureaucrats will be jailed. :)
That's really interesting!
And terrible.
The timing and the turning of my little brain cells...
WW3 this WW3 that, Ukraine and Russia fighting does not make a world war.
Russia themselves claimed it was a drone.
Why would they lie?
Interesting to see someone with the viewpoint that Russians are incapable of lying. Does not seem that sophisticated a worldview. Can't imagine any informative analysis comes out of it, but I'm certain some people never wonder if they might be missing something.
We’ll probably never know if there was more to it.
There’s tons of conspiracies out there regarding micro nukes. I remember an incident in Bali. Some claim there’s nuclear chain reaction explosive devices that do not emit detectable radiation. And then there’s the tesla wave demolishing device, mini black hole-type weapons, etc.
But I believe this was a standard missile attack based on those images in the report crazy rus cited.
You can compare the blast to the "wunder waffe" ATACMS missile that Russia has repeatedly warned about (ff to about 3:40 for the impact):
ATACMS: The Himars Missile Upgrade Ukraine Desperately Wants | WSJ Equipped
If anyone cares to argue that detonation is remotely similar to what went off in Toropets, there's no helping them (you may know who I'm talking about). Nor is the ammunition itself exploding, since munitions fires cook them off one by one.
In fact, the blast (and/or other non-conventional effects) is so powerful that it sets off other areas of the depot, where you can see the serial detonations of munitions in the typical fashion of burning ammo.
It wasn't micro, either. I'd eyeball it to be at least 10kT. It's beyond ignorant for anyone to think the Russian leadership doesn't see what I see--and far more--and they've clamped a lid down tight before it all gets beyond anyone's control.
Who claims these things?
Had to look it up, it was like 20 years ago. joe Vialls…
“He also disputed the official explanation for the bombings of the Australian embassy and Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia's capital. Vialls asserted that the explosives that authorities claimed were used in the Indonesian bombings were not powerful enough to have caused the damage and casualties that resulted. He claimed to demonstrate from photographs of the aftermath of each of the bombings, compared to the photographs taken in Northern Ireland where a 1,000 pound IRA bomb did not leave a crater or strip concrete from buildings, that a "micronuke" from Mossad's Dimona research and development facility in the Negev desert had been used. Vialls claims a device similar to the smallest United States nuclear weapon known as the Davy Crockett or M-388 round, a version of the W54 warhead, a very small sub-kiloton fission device, was used in the attacks. The Mk-54 weighed about 51 lb (23 kg), with a selectable yield of 10 or 20 tons, which Vialls claimed was consistent with the damage inflicted in Bali and elsewhere. A complete Mk-54 round weighed 76 lb (34.5 kg). One criticism of Vialls' theory was the absence of any radiation in Bali after the explosion. Vialls explained this flaw by arguing that Geiger counters cannot effectively detect alpha radiation, the most likely radiation to be present after the detonation of a plutonium fission bomb, since alpha particles are large and do not penetrate the walls of the Geiger-Muller tubes adequately enough to register radiation.[11] In his investigation of the first Bali bomb, Vialls cited an opinion article in the Jakarta Post, Indonesia's largest English-language newspaper by circulation, written by an expatriate editor at the Post, which expounded a similar theory.”
Kek. I remember that nutjob.
EVERYTHING BAD WAS DONE BY THE JEEEEEEEWS!!!!
Where's the lie?
So if an earthquake happens, it's because of the Jews?
So, why would they lie about this?
In war, truth is the first casualty.
-Aeschylus
Why wouldn't they?
That wasn´t the question.
I am sure they lie often but why would they lie about this? It would be in Russia´s interest to pretend that NATO or NATO weapons did this instead of a flimsy drone.