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Oof... Salty loser... Spamming is not cool, mkay (media.conspiracies.win)
posted 1 year ago by Neo1 1 year ago by Neo1 +8 / -4
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– SwampRangers 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The Word and the Spirit always agree. We can have diversity in nonessentials, but if people are contradicting each other they're not in the same Spirit.

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– SwampRangers 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Start by affirming Truth exists and should be pursued. That means there must be a way to find it reliably despite our faulty sensors. That way is Spirit. It's not enough just to make a factually true statement, it's also necessary not to be using it in a deceptive spirit.

Everyone knows what it's like to speak honestly, they know when someone is speaking in truth and in spirit. Because of this, when we're dealing with truth statements, we can work together pursuing the truth and arrive at the same place because we are pursuing it in the same spirit. That's the resolution of all contradiction.

If there's no Truth to start out with, there's no point in saying or doing anything, because it's the same as not saying or doing. But everyone believes there's a point, so everyone ultimately believes there's a Truth worth working for. When you commit to pursuing Truth, you find it, that's how the universe works. Eventually we find that there's a community of Truth seekers that has greater solidity and history than any other, they have a book they've checked for millennia and found it to have greater communicative value and description of reality than any other, and the independent evidence for this Holy Bible being the book of Truth continues to grow until you see the whole big picture. That's the unity of the good news, everyone comes to the same core message for humanity who looks for it. Remaining disagreements are just about semantics and technicalities. If there's a true binary contradiction between two people, it's because they're not in the same spirit.

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– free-will-of-choice 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Start by affirming Truth

If one doesn't affirm truth, then how could others use lies against one?

If there's no Truth to start out with, there's no point

If life starts at inception, then is there a point of death at the end of ones life sentence?

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– SwampRangers 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

If one doesn't affirm truth, one lies to oneself. To fail to make anything firm is to fail to be anything.

Since life is experienced in the present, an end is never something experienced. The All has no inception because all inception is within it, and so the All has no end. So One is free to follow All, and need not end just because one has an inception.

Originally, heresy did mean choice, all choices were heresies (sects, sections). Therefore not to choose is also a heresy. Whenever we speak, and whenever we don't, we will and define and choose. It's still a tenet even if it's not a doctrine.

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– SwampRangers 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Thanks for self-identifying. If you don't believe any god is real, why would it be time for me to demonstrate otherwise? It's illogical, and in fact untruthful, to state your belief so boldly and then to challenge me to defeat your belief, unless you yourself already have doubts about your own belief.

If you affirm Truth exists and should be pursued, you've already demonstrated what you need, namely that truth and duty ("should") exist even though they have never been demonstrated empirically. Every atheist believes in one or more axioms that have not been demonstrated empirically, and can only make progress by admitting that. For instance, the statement that only empirically demonstrated propositions matter has never been demonstrated empirically.

There are atheists here I can work with because they do really want to pursue Truth. Rush Limbaugh said so rightly that he would not rest until everyone agreed with him, and that's a deep statement that there really is a truth and it has more power to shape both him and us than we realize. If you're willing not to rest until people agree with you, we can have a dialogue. The head mod of c/Atheist has helpfully pinned a top post prominently featuring my outline indicating a few points we can dialogue on. But here we're off-topic now.

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