If you seek only to justify your rage and ego - go ahead.
If it's true, it's justified. I've justified everything I've said thus far with logic and with Biblical passages, many of them. Just because you deny it doesn't make it false.
I will try my best to remain meek.
On this, I will cast judgment upon you. You won't be meek. You don't even know what it means. You will be prideful and antagonistic against God. You will demand He adhere to your whims, and not you adhere to Him. You will follow your own course, and fail in kind. Only in failure, of being broken, will you ever come to see the light of God. I have no control over your course. Only you do, in pursuit of current course, in needless misery, and defiance of God, through your own choices. I've given you the option, the knowledge to correct course. It's up to you to change. Free will, after all, is the only way we can be rightly judged. Your decisions are your own.
With all your boasting, you have 6 posts in here... You're such a "warrior of justice"... Perhaps I should delete 90% of my posts to be more like you?
Delete nothing. Even errors toward pursuit of truth are worthy to follow. And, again, you cast stones at me not knowing. Keep flinging, your stones do not hurt.
None of the verses gives you the right to be violent...None of the verses say that YOU should be violent.
It's rather remarkable how defiant people can be when presented with truth. I could tell you the sky is blue, present every logical, scientific, and observable fact to you, and you would stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and scream as loudly as possible, hoping the truth went away. That's not how truth works. It is ever present, ever judgeful, just as God, because they are the same and of the same. Denial of truth is denial of God. Not knowing one is to not know the other.
You are so prideful in your denials that you've missed the bigger picture. You have placed yourself above truth, above God, demanding both be subservient to you. In the place of God, there you dwell, claiming yourself to be God, ever boastful and prideful. In your height of folly, so too will you fall greatly. That is what awaits your course. I warn you, but, your actions are your own.
If you only knew the real battle is won through the truth, not by a sword, or simple arrogance...
I've attempted to explain to you, in detail, through logic and Biblical passages, that violence is not inherently wrong, that good people can be violent and be just, righteous, and adhere to God's commands. And yet, you still deny, because you place yourself above God. It's rather odd that you say "real battle is won through the truth", which is true, but then you wholly deny the truth. You claim to be righteous, but cut out every part of you which is righteous, and replace where you once were with hypocrisies and idols of Saturn.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
You, again, intentionally misinterpret the Bible to support your own position. You're not acting like a Christian. You're acting like a child of the devil, who is the father of lies, the antithesis of God. You think the Bible can mean whatever you want it to mean. You demand God adhere to your own assertions, and not you to His.
Matthew 16:24-25 means precisely what I've been telling you. You can't pursue Jesus/God while prioritizing yourself above them, above truth. You have to accept when you're wrong, and adjust accordingly when you find out you erred. You can't learn when you're prideful, which you are. You can't admit wrong when you proclaim perfection, which you are. You can't improve when you think you're never wrong, which you are.
You must accept you've sinned, to know of your imperfections, and try to overcome them, to prioritize and pursue truth, to embody it, to come closer to God. To "take up one's cross" is to bear the burden that comes with pursuing truth, to pursuing perfection. to pursuing God. Sinning is easy. Perfection is hard, and for us it's impossible, but a cross we must bear. To "save their life will lose it" but "whoever loses their life for me will find it" literally means that life, for the sake of life, leads to ruin, but life, in pursuit of truth, in pursuit of God, will be saved (i.e. live). This is why, philosophically, we must prioritize truth above life. If we prioritize life above truth, we sacrifice truth and inevitably die; and is also what corrupted modern philosophy teaches, through various means, like with feminism (the inversion of the natural patriarchal order and the philosophical pursuits of men and women, of truth and life respectively). The Bible, explicitly and implicitly, many, many times, says that Jesus/God are truth incarnate, or that truth is Their will in this universe. Reread the Bible, and every time you see Jesus/God, replace their name with "truth", and the passages will make more sense. To deny truth, is to deny Jesus/God. Matthew 16:26 means that pursuing our own interests, our own power, our own greed, will result in ruin (our soul will be damned), but pursuing God, pursuing, truth, will save us.
Are you ready to die for Christianity, or live for your ego?
There's only one person here who knows what it means to be Christian, and to let go of ego. It's not you.
It's not like I wish for things to be the way they are. I don't burn with rage at the way things are, I simply try to find out what is. I've changed my mind many times, and some of them core philosophical and foundational beliefs, so that I can adhere closer to truth, even within the last few years. Why? Because I was wrong. Because I prioritize truth above myself. I let go of my ego. I am a servant of God, and I know exactly what that means.
This time it only took you 3 days to reply. You're getting better at this.
I am not reading all that ego-filled self-righteousness from you again... 3 sentences in your nonsense and "On this, I will cast judgment upon you." - ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. This honestly made me laugh!
You have repeatedly refused to address any of the Biblical passages or logical refutations on the failures of pacifism. To limit my social media use, I wait to reply to my notifications on one day, often waiting a week or two, doing it on a day where I have the free time to do it. Some of us can't spend our entire lives online. We have other priorities. This website, and most social media sites, facilitate long form interactions, because they don't delete old posts or comments. We can, at will, choose to come back to a conversation, or revive an old one, whenever we choose. But, back to the topic at hand:
Let's start at the beginning.
What, EXACTLY, are you arguing for? Do you advocate that good men, Christian men, never, ever, become violent, even to protect themselves, their children, their wives, their fellow Christians, or their neighbors?
I'm advocating that good men, Christian men, are absolutely called to be peaceful, when peace is called for, when peace is the best option. However, such men should, and are justified, to be violent against people who wish to corrupt, subvert, harm, and destroy them, their family, their people, or the truth itself.
To limit my social media use, I wait to reply to my notifications on one day, often waiting a week or two
Nice try. Then how come you replied to u/crusaderpepe yesterday? Did you forget that I replied to you yesterday?
Also, nice try to add a comment 15 days after you were demolished in this discussion.
What, EXACTLY, are you arguing for?
See? You don't even bother to read what I already provided in this conversation. Go back to the start of this comment thread and read it again - it's all there already.
Nice try to make yourself look good by adding the last comment after 15 days, just in time when you shared it with u/crusaderpepe... You two belong to each other.
Both of you say you're Christian, but none of you actually follows the Bible.
If you don't remember the conversation, go back and read it. You put forth another claim now, but I will remind you of what you actually said in the discussion:
Peace, for the sake of peace, is a failed philosophy, and as such, is not what Jesus/God argues. Any Biblical passage which you posit to the contrary is a perversion of scripture (i.e. of the devil).
Any Biblical passage I post (I fixed it for your benefit) is "from the devil"? How many Biblical passages are from the devil then? Was he adding passages? I wasn't even aware...
You make me laugh...
I am 99% sure that u/apexveritas won't reach this far in my comment, so that's written only to anyone, who has gotten so far in the comments.
38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;…
God bless you, believers in peace!
None of us can change the word of God in Revelation, so there is no point in going against the goats. Our work is to gather the sheep and protect the sheep!
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
If you seek only to justify your rage and ego - go ahead.
I will try my best to remain meek.
With all your boasting, you have 6 posts in here... You're such a "warrior of justice"... Perhaps I should delete 90% of my posts to be more like you?
None of the verses gives you the right to be violent.
None of the verses say that YOU should be violent.
If you only knew the real battle is won through the truth, not by a sword, or simple arrogance...
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Are you ready to die for Christianity, or live for your ego?
If it's true, it's justified. I've justified everything I've said thus far with logic and with Biblical passages, many of them. Just because you deny it doesn't make it false.
On this, I will cast judgment upon you. You won't be meek. You don't even know what it means. You will be prideful and antagonistic against God. You will demand He adhere to your whims, and not you adhere to Him. You will follow your own course, and fail in kind. Only in failure, of being broken, will you ever come to see the light of God. I have no control over your course. Only you do, in pursuit of current course, in needless misery, and defiance of God, through your own choices. I've given you the option, the knowledge to correct course. It's up to you to change. Free will, after all, is the only way we can be rightly judged. Your decisions are your own.
Delete nothing. Even errors toward pursuit of truth are worthy to follow. And, again, you cast stones at me not knowing. Keep flinging, your stones do not hurt.
It's rather remarkable how defiant people can be when presented with truth. I could tell you the sky is blue, present every logical, scientific, and observable fact to you, and you would stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and scream as loudly as possible, hoping the truth went away. That's not how truth works. It is ever present, ever judgeful, just as God, because they are the same and of the same. Denial of truth is denial of God. Not knowing one is to not know the other.
You are so prideful in your denials that you've missed the bigger picture. You have placed yourself above truth, above God, demanding both be subservient to you. In the place of God, there you dwell, claiming yourself to be God, ever boastful and prideful. In your height of folly, so too will you fall greatly. That is what awaits your course. I warn you, but, your actions are your own.
I've attempted to explain to you, in detail, through logic and Biblical passages, that violence is not inherently wrong, that good people can be violent and be just, righteous, and adhere to God's commands. And yet, you still deny, because you place yourself above God. It's rather odd that you say "real battle is won through the truth", which is true, but then you wholly deny the truth. You claim to be righteous, but cut out every part of you which is righteous, and replace where you once were with hypocrisies and idols of Saturn.
You, again, intentionally misinterpret the Bible to support your own position. You're not acting like a Christian. You're acting like a child of the devil, who is the father of lies, the antithesis of God. You think the Bible can mean whatever you want it to mean. You demand God adhere to your own assertions, and not you to His.
Matthew 16:24-25 means precisely what I've been telling you. You can't pursue Jesus/God while prioritizing yourself above them, above truth. You have to accept when you're wrong, and adjust accordingly when you find out you erred. You can't learn when you're prideful, which you are. You can't admit wrong when you proclaim perfection, which you are. You can't improve when you think you're never wrong, which you are.
You must accept you've sinned, to know of your imperfections, and try to overcome them, to prioritize and pursue truth, to embody it, to come closer to God. To "take up one's cross" is to bear the burden that comes with pursuing truth, to pursuing perfection. to pursuing God. Sinning is easy. Perfection is hard, and for us it's impossible, but a cross we must bear. To "save their life will lose it" but "whoever loses their life for me will find it" literally means that life, for the sake of life, leads to ruin, but life, in pursuit of truth, in pursuit of God, will be saved (i.e. live). This is why, philosophically, we must prioritize truth above life. If we prioritize life above truth, we sacrifice truth and inevitably die; and is also what corrupted modern philosophy teaches, through various means, like with feminism (the inversion of the natural patriarchal order and the philosophical pursuits of men and women, of truth and life respectively). The Bible, explicitly and implicitly, many, many times, says that Jesus/God are truth incarnate, or that truth is Their will in this universe. Reread the Bible, and every time you see Jesus/God, replace their name with "truth", and the passages will make more sense. To deny truth, is to deny Jesus/God. Matthew 16:26 means that pursuing our own interests, our own power, our own greed, will result in ruin (our soul will be damned), but pursuing God, pursuing, truth, will save us.
There's only one person here who knows what it means to be Christian, and to let go of ego. It's not you.
It's not like I wish for things to be the way they are. I don't burn with rage at the way things are, I simply try to find out what is. I've changed my mind many times, and some of them core philosophical and foundational beliefs, so that I can adhere closer to truth, even within the last few years. Why? Because I was wrong. Because I prioritize truth above myself. I let go of my ego. I am a servant of God, and I know exactly what that means.
What have you changed your mind on lately?
This time it only took you 3 days to reply. You're getting better at this.
I am not reading all that ego-filled self-righteousness from you again... 3 sentences in your nonsense and "On this, I will cast judgment upon you." - ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. This honestly made me laugh!
Thank you for making me laugh!
You have repeatedly refused to address any of the Biblical passages or logical refutations on the failures of pacifism. To limit my social media use, I wait to reply to my notifications on one day, often waiting a week or two, doing it on a day where I have the free time to do it. Some of us can't spend our entire lives online. We have other priorities. This website, and most social media sites, facilitate long form interactions, because they don't delete old posts or comments. We can, at will, choose to come back to a conversation, or revive an old one, whenever we choose. But, back to the topic at hand:
Let's start at the beginning.
What, EXACTLY, are you arguing for? Do you advocate that good men, Christian men, never, ever, become violent, even to protect themselves, their children, their wives, their fellow Christians, or their neighbors?
I'm advocating that good men, Christian men, are absolutely called to be peaceful, when peace is called for, when peace is the best option. However, such men should, and are justified, to be violent against people who wish to corrupt, subvert, harm, and destroy them, their family, their people, or the truth itself.
Nice try. Then how come you replied to u/crusaderpepe yesterday? Did you forget that I replied to you yesterday?
Also, nice try to add a comment 15 days after you were demolished in this discussion.
See? You don't even bother to read what I already provided in this conversation. Go back to the start of this comment thread and read it again - it's all there already.
Nice try to make yourself look good by adding the last comment after 15 days, just in time when you shared it with u/crusaderpepe... You two belong to each other.
Both of you say you're Christian, but none of you actually follows the Bible.
If you don't remember the conversation, go back and read it. You put forth another claim now, but I will remind you of what you actually said in the discussion:
Any Biblical passage I post (I fixed it for your benefit) is "from the devil"? How many Biblical passages are from the devil then? Was he adding passages? I wasn't even aware...
You make me laugh...
I am 99% sure that u/apexveritas won't reach this far in my comment, so that's written only to anyone, who has gotten so far in the comments.
God bless you, believers in peace!
None of us can change the word of God in Revelation, so there is no point in going against the goats. Our work is to gather the sheep and protect the sheep!
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.