Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Mayan's have such an accurate understanding of Astrology*** they mapped out celestial bodies thousands of years in advance?
I'm also not a mathematician but if someone observes the world around them, and is good with numbers and patterns; they'd be able to come up with formula's to predict the movement of objects. There must be multiple formula's you could come up with that utilize different numbers that lead to the same outcome. Like different languages and words coming up with the same meanings.
I kind of figured that if you could account for a variable like gravity, and utilize it in your formula's, you'd be able to make math prove gravity exists by making the formula's use it towards an accurate outcome. And outcome you might have been able to reach using a different formula that doesn't account for that theoretical variable.
Probably sounds like schizoid shit but that's how I make sense of it.
The possibility of it.
I actually looked at the wiki page, skimmed it. Doesnt actually say the word flat anywhere, I even ctrl+f'ed to make sure.
Id be careful with "modern" mainstream takes on things.
For example, according to modern sources, only one greek god had a flying chariot, that he uses to pull the sun across the sky.
Helios, in Greek religion, the sun god, sometimes called a Titan. He drove a chariot daily from east to west across the sky and sailed around the northerly stream of Ocean each night in a huge cup.
Not true though, each god had their own flying chariot, built by Hephaestus.
Each deity possessed a beautiful chariot, which, drawn by
horses or other animals of celestial breed, conveyed them
rapidly over land and sea according to their pleasure.
Now, all I can find about the mayans is they believed that there was a god at the four corners of the earth, which is drawn as flat.
Now, again, the part I find interesting is not that. Even per your wiki link it says.
Maya astronomy was naked-eye astronomy based on the observations of the azimuths of the rising and setting of heavenly bodies.[12] City planning and alignment was often arranged in line with astronomical paths and events.[13] The Maya also believed that the will and actions of gods could be interpreted in the alignment of the planets and stars. [14]
A.k.a. They used sticks in the mud to mark and record shadows everyday, for hundreds, if not a thousand, or thousands of years.
Thats all good and dandy, but you expect me to believe that these people, on their own, were able to extrapolate the data when a precession is measured over 10's of thousands of years.
The Earth wobbles in space like an out-of-balance top. Each full wobble takes about 25,765 years
Even if earth was flat, how were the able to build models better than what we can do with computers and modern mathematics?
The interesting part, where did they get the calendars from? A gift of god of course, along with domestication of animals, plants. As well as music and healing.
The Mayan calendar played a crucial role in their communication with the gods. Believing it was a gift from their deities, the Mayans used the calendar to track important dates and celestial events.
They believed that aligning themselves with the calendar would facilitate communication and enable them to comprehend the will of the gods.
While ancient Mayan culture offered various calendar types, the one that baffled scholars the most was this 819-day calendar discovered in glyphic texts. Researchers have long believed this calendar was associated with planetary movements, especially the synodic periods—when a planet appears visually to return to the same location in the sky, as seen from Earth—of key planets. However, each planet moves quite differently and matching up multiple planets into an 819-day span didn’t seem to make sense.
But it does when you look at it over 16,380 days (roughly 45 years), not just 819 days. That’s a total of 20 819-day timelines.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Mayan's have such an accurate understanding of astrology they mapped out celestial bodies thousands of years in advance?
You are confusing astrology and astronomy.
Besides, there are no more Mayan astronomers so I don't see your point.
lol okay. The link I added was to Mayan Astronomy not Mayan Astrology.
So i don't see your point.
You're point, is that an understanding of astrology is what made people stop thinking the earth is flat. My point, is that humans have understood astrology for much longer than that.
I had an entirely separate point about how mathematic equations can be manipulated to account for variables you could come up with... but I guess it's going over your head.
There is zero mention even of the word astrology.
The fact is Mayan's had a deep understanding of ASTRONOMY.
Another fact is that you keep insisting it's astrology when it clearly isn't.
Once, and if anything it was a spelling/grammar mistake because the link I cited with the statement was to ASTRONOMY!!! So on an initial read the person could automatically understand what i was trying to say, without strongarming the conversation about astrology not being valid.
How about you show me the formula based on the heliocentric model that explains the movement of a star through space? Instead of demanding everyone cite you a god damn source.
I really don't think the earth could be flat but I can understand how the heliocentric model could be a fabrication. I understand how people working on the ground during the moon landing could have been presented with computer simulated data making it look to everyone who worked on the project that it actually happened.
But I damn sure don't go around the internet demanding people who believe globe-molten core earth that they prove it to me. I'm just skeptical. But to see how much time you spend battling it out with people with such loose, awful, regrettable arguments... I mean god damn dude, you keep bitching about ASTROLOGY and ignoring the fact that it his historical fact that MAYA had it all figured out and then some.
You know what I think? I think this is you being a schizoid, and not wanting to accept the possibility. And forcing yourself to exist in a binary YES or NO either it IS or ISN'T either there is EVIDENCE or there ISN'T. When honestly, you know damn good and well you can't be exactly sure.
So shut the fuck up. I'm going to look around and see if I can find alternative formula's that work out. It was only I passing thought but I'll look around and get back to this god awful thread if I do find it.
The measurements used to calculate the movements of celestial bodies do not take the size/shape of the earth itself into consideration, so what's your point?
Oh... so now you're deflecting?
Thought you had this huge massive IQ to throw around...
Now you're resorting to deflection?
I thought you were so sure of yourself big boi!
What compels you to summons the demon of F.E.? Now they'll bombard us with their insanity again ;). It's a waste of time debating with them
Who dares wins
What color is the boathouse at Hereford?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Mayan's have such an accurate understanding of Astrology*** they mapped out celestial bodies thousands of years in advance?
They also thought the earth was flat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_astronomy
I'm also not a mathematician but if someone observes the world around them, and is good with numbers and patterns; they'd be able to come up with formula's to predict the movement of objects. There must be multiple formula's you could come up with that utilize different numbers that lead to the same outcome. Like different languages and words coming up with the same meanings.
I kind of figured that if you could account for a variable like gravity, and utilize it in your formula's, you'd be able to make math prove gravity exists by making the formula's use it towards an accurate outcome. And outcome you might have been able to reach using a different formula that doesn't account for that theoretical variable.
Probably sounds like schizoid shit but that's how I make sense of it. The possibility of it.
***Accidentally wrote astrology
I actually looked at the wiki page, skimmed it. Doesnt actually say the word flat anywhere, I even ctrl+f'ed to make sure.
Id be careful with "modern" mainstream takes on things.
For example, according to modern sources, only one greek god had a flying chariot, that he uses to pull the sun across the sky.
Not true though, each god had their own flying chariot, built by Hephaestus.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Greek_Mythology_Systematized/Lm0ZAAAAYAAJ
Now, all I can find about the mayans is they believed that there was a god at the four corners of the earth, which is drawn as flat.
Now, again, the part I find interesting is not that. Even per your wiki link it says.
A.k.a. They used sticks in the mud to mark and record shadows everyday, for hundreds, if not a thousand, or thousands of years.
Thats all good and dandy, but you expect me to believe that these people, on their own, were able to extrapolate the data when a precession is measured over 10's of thousands of years.
Even if earth was flat, how were the able to build models better than what we can do with computers and modern mathematics?
The interesting part, where did they get the calendars from? A gift of god of course, along with domestication of animals, plants. As well as music and healing.
https://oldworldgods.com/mayan/how-did-the-mayan-communicate-with-their-gods/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a43645858/how-the-mayan-calendar-works/
:shrugs: who knows
You are confusing astrology and astronomy.
Besides, there are no more Mayan astronomers so I don't see your point.
lol okay. The link I added was to Mayan Astronomy not Mayan Astrology. So i don't see your point.
You're point, is that an understanding of astrology is what made people stop thinking the earth is flat. My point, is that humans have understood astrology for much longer than that.
I had an entirely separate point about how mathematic equations can be manipulated to account for variables you could come up with... but I guess it's going over your head.
You are still confusing astrology with astronomy. Do you even know the difference?
Anyway, your hypotheticals about formulas is completely irrelevant. This is about facts, not scenarios you make up in your head.
Once again, I am not confusing astrology for astronomy anymore. It was a mixup of a single word... Again, this is the page regarding Mayan ASTRONOMY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_astronomy
There is zero mention even of the word astrology. The fact is Mayan's had a deep understanding of ASTRONOMY. Another fact is that you keep insisting it's astrology when it clearly isn't.
In other words... You're being retarded.
You were the one mixing up astrology and astronomy multiple times. It's not my fault that you don't even know the difference.
Now, show the formulas based on a flat earth model that accurately predict the movement of celestial bodies.
Show them or admit that they don't exist.
Once, and if anything it was a spelling/grammar mistake because the link I cited with the statement was to ASTRONOMY!!! So on an initial read the person could automatically understand what i was trying to say, without strongarming the conversation about astrology not being valid.
How about you show me the formula based on the heliocentric model that explains the movement of a star through space? Instead of demanding everyone cite you a god damn source.
I really don't think the earth could be flat but I can understand how the heliocentric model could be a fabrication. I understand how people working on the ground during the moon landing could have been presented with computer simulated data making it look to everyone who worked on the project that it actually happened.
But I damn sure don't go around the internet demanding people who believe globe-molten core earth that they prove it to me. I'm just skeptical. But to see how much time you spend battling it out with people with such loose, awful, regrettable arguments... I mean god damn dude, you keep bitching about ASTROLOGY and ignoring the fact that it his historical fact that MAYA had it all figured out and then some.
You know what I think? I think this is you being a schizoid, and not wanting to accept the possibility. And forcing yourself to exist in a binary YES or NO either it IS or ISN'T either there is EVIDENCE or there ISN'T. When honestly, you know damn good and well you can't be exactly sure.
So shut the fuck up. I'm going to look around and see if I can find alternative formula's that work out. It was only I passing thought but I'll look around and get back to this god awful thread if I do find it.
Long story short: there is no formula based on a flat earth model that predicts the movement of celestial objects.
As predicted, the Flat Earther just makes lame excuses.
The measurements used to calculate the movements of celestial bodies do not take the size/shape of the earth itself into consideration, so what's your point?
So you agree with the heliocentric model but Earth is the only planet that is flat?
Oh... so now you're deflecting? Thought you had this huge massive IQ to throw around... Now you're resorting to deflection? I thought you were so sure of yourself big boi!