When a flat Earther tells you that water cannot curve
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That i don't know (and no one does, in my view). It would require measuring the entire earth and ideally validating those measurements repeatedly.
Provisionally, if the earth is 70%+ covered in liquid water then because of the laws of hydrostatics - it certainly cannot be the size and shape we are required to learn (and repeat) it is from childhood.
All you're doing is admitting nobody ever explained that legendary science that 12 year olds master, called "Geometry."
How did anything i have to say mean "nobody ever explained geometry" to you? Please walk me through that thought process.
I was a 12 year old too...
The fact you thought the Earth even might POSSIBLY be flat,
is PROOF POSITIVE: can ONLY MEAN
no one has EVER explained how longitude and latitude
are derived,
and used,
to predict on the surface of the planet.
IF YOU'D HAVE EVER BEEN TAUGHT THAT,
you'd know there can ONLY be ONE reason
ANY set of FORMULAS can PREDICT surface areas
and surface point locations
on ANY GEOMETRIC FIGURE THAT EXISTS.
They belong to THE FAMILY of '
'SPHERICAL COORDINATES."
Because they can ONLY predict,
on a SPHERICAL OBJECT.
fhe FACT the PLANET'S SURFACE AREAS
and
SURFACE POINTS,
can ONLY BE SUCCESSFULLY PREDICTED by THEM,
and YOUR NOT KNOWING WHY this MATHEMATICAL FACT exists,
is PROOF POSITIVE your EDUCATIONAL GRASP,
is SUB 12-YEAR-OLD.
12 YEAR OLDS and 14 YEAR-OLDS,
ROUTINELY TEACH THEMSELVES these MATHEMATICAL PREDICTION REALITIES and learn to sail and fly.
YOU will NEVER ESCAPE what NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW they WORK to PREDICT,
means for your N.O.N. E.X.I.S.T.A.N.T.
NON-GRASP,
of FUNDAMENTALS of HOW SURFACE AREA MATHEMATICS WORK.
As i explained in the last comment - the coordinate system we ascribe/use is entirely arbitrary. It has nothing to do with the shape of the world. People are also encouraged to make this erroneous conflation with timezones. I find it patently absurd and plainly nonsensical - just look at the statements :
The world has to be spherical because "timezones".
or in your case
The world has to be spherical because "geometry"/"longitude and latitude".
It's doesn't make a lick of sense.
Yes, sailing and flying exist. No, this doesn't prove the world is spherical... Why on earth would it?!
The world was decided to be spherical (also arbitrarily) long before longitude and latitude. They played absolutely no part in determining the shape of the world - then and now. "Your" entire argument (your is in quotes because it was given to you, and is not your own!) is retroactively backfilled/contrived.
We both agree that latitude and longitude work. We can also agree that if the world is flat that, most likely, the known sizes for the latitude lines in the "southern hemisphere" are wrong - as well as the known distances between longitude lines.
Many people think similar things about maps. Maps prove this and that about the shape of the world.
But maps and the coordinate systems on them are merely tools for travel. They don't contain (or depend on) the shape of the world, nor do they need to! When they work, we use them - when they don't we change them. The world, and its shape, remains the same.
The real question is, if the world really were flat (or at least not spherical the way we are taught), would you want to know it? Even if knowing the truth brought you ridicule, and even exile?
I’m not asking what you know. I’m asking what you suspect.
A central part of flat earth research is identifying and eliminating/suppressing such beliefs. I attempt to deal with what i actually know (and have validated), which is what objective study (the ideal) requires.
Belief (e.g. suspicion, speculation) is the enemy of knowledge and objective study of any kind.
I know that the world isn't spherical the way we are taught. I could guess [suspect] as to the actual shape, but that is exactly what brought the ancient greeks to the incorrect conclusion (which we inherited) millennia ago.
Have you done research into shapes other than flat earth?
It is best to simply research the earth's shape directly - whatever it may be, ideally without such preconceptions/beliefs/biases.
In terms of evaluating other peoples ideas / conclusions as to the shape of the world - yes. I have evaluated/researched spherical and concave notions, as well as those that think it is flat.