If you haven't already acquainted yourself with the idea of defending yourself with a firearm TODAY is the day. Ideally you would have three weapons an AR-15 (Palmetto State Armory or equivalent) because it's everywhere, a Glock 19 because everyone who's job it is to kill people has used it without complaint and a shotgun if you are unfamiliar with firearms I suggest an old (70s 80s) Remington 870 (pump action) police magnum if you are familiar with shotguns can't beat the Benelli m4 or Beretta 1301 I'm sure some of you have felt an ominous weight for awhile now like myself, feeling as though things cannot continue as they have and you are right. I've struggled myself with the idea that what we have been told to be is reliant upon a system that should not be. I'd like to open a discussion on this topic and how you think things will go. For all the non believers I'll pray for you.
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While the guns are good, it's more important to have canned and dry food and be in physical shape. Also, try to live debt free as much as possible.
Yeah the first two weeks is gonna be very rough.. then the majority who were dulled by psychotropic medications and lulled into their hamster wheels will more than likely be dead. Debt is a big deal, when I was a kid I was told if you can't afford something you either save for it or live without it and it has served me well
I think you just hit like 2 lists's in this one post. End of the world stockpiling, and weapon owner.
I dont think there is much you can do. I think living through the initial event will be luck and if you die quickly and painlessly, then consider yourself lucky.
It will be the years after that things get bad, there is a chance the inter glacial could end and that means 99.99% of the earth will become unfarmable. Be hard to fish or hunt with everything frozen over. Im sure there will be some pockets here and there of life. Without food, im going to guess most people will turn to cannibalism in a few years.
While the rich who won the lotto and werent destroyed in the event get to sit out in a nice warm city underground with small farms and huge stockpiles of food/medical supplies. I guess our best chance is like that movie the obamas helped write, maybe we get lucky and find a unlocked self sustaining bunker next door.
It seems when this happens, people will go deep in the caves. Which is why I thought it was interesting that mining company that destroyed that sacred australian cave.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/26/rio-tinto-blasts-46000-year-old-aboriginal-site-to-expand-iron-ore-mine
Really my best advice? We have no idea when shit will happen, and most people are oblivious to it. Sure make some preparations, dont let it control your life.
I draw some comfort from a ancient story.
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~vl/notes/gilgamesh.html
It really is good advice.
I have an entire team watching me 🤣 I disagree I think there's a underlying rhythm to reality and the beat is telling me The End is Nigh. Do with that what you will. "Under the sword lifted high, There is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, And you have the land of bliss." Miyamoto Musashi
Agree with you completely man. The other dude just likes hearing his hands hit those keys. It almost sounds schizophrenic, but I don't like labels. People need to be prepared as best as they can, but I think if you are in or near a city you are screwed. We have a farm and cattle and I did all this in the last few years with the covid stuff.
The only way things can go...forwards aka back to origin.
Only within continuance (whole) can there be things (partials)....suggested nihilism (cannot) tempts one to ignore that.
Normally I'd try to unpack the experiences that have led me to my conclusions but that would be a novel. This time you've got to make the leap Be unafraid
Even the Amish would be hurting too. But think of all the Gen X in withdrawal with no phone, no food, and no survival resilience. They will suicide or get eaten by cannibals. The rest of us will fall back to 1850 or earlier, medicine gone, earlier old age death.
I recommend an AR pistol, preferably with a heavy hitting round that does well in varying environments (walls, foliage, windows, car doors), which means not a standard spitzer round, but something heavy and wide like a .458 SOCOM. These rounds are nice because they pack twice the punch of a .556 (watch some bear hunting videos with them to see what I mean, they will usually stop any target with one shot), but fit into a standard AR, rather than needing a longer/heavier action, and they are also much lower psi, which means low risk of explosions. However, you can also get by with a 10.5 inch barrel in a 7.62 x 51 (.308), with surprisingly little loss in FPS/muzzle energy, and you could still reach out and touch something at 500 yards with pretty decent accuracy.
The AR pistol format is absolutely a must for the zombie apocalypse, because, for one it's a pistol which means you could legally carry it in a bag, in the interim before the apocalypse, and because it's small and easy to bring with you in your car, easier to deploy in a tight space, lighter weight, etc.
The reason I bring up the skinny/high velocity spitzer rounds being less ideal for this role is that, unless you're planning on sniping with this gun, the most likely scenario for missing a target in a chaotic urban zombie apocalypse scenario is your bullet hitting a branch or going through a windshield or some other soft debris causing it to fly wildly off target. IV 8888 did a video where they showed the .45-70 making its way through branches without any problem, while fast spitzer surrounds like .556 with miss their targets by a long shot after hitting just leaves.
I've shot a lot of different ARs/M4s I've been on the AR pistol train before but I gotta say unless you have a flash hider, good muzzle break or a suppressor shooting an AR pistol in doors is super fuckin concussive in .308 it'd be a semi auto flashbang I prefer 16" barrels nice middle of the road multipurpose rifle and the reason I recommended the AR was because of parts availability that utility goes out the window if you use other calibers I do like niche rounds but from a utilitarian perspective 5.56/.223 will work
Absolutely true (re: utilitarian bit). Btw, .458 is a faster burning load w/ a large (.50 AE) primer, so there's no flash at 10.5". That said... there is a LOT of noise and concussive force.
Had a 9inch ar pistol(5.56) a little ways back lost it in a boating accident but that thing was intense if anyone is standing near you forget about it I'd love of these https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1041273584
That sucks, man. We lost pretty much everything in our last building accident as well.
That pistol looks pretty sweet, though. I'm not a huge fan of 300blk because you only gain a tiny bit (~10%) of muzzle energy over .556, at the expense of ballistic coefficient and range, and because it's a narrower spitzer round, you also lose a lot of ability to step up projectile grain weight when you go subsonic. For example, with .458 you can put a can on it and shoot subsonic 600 grain rounds with more muzzle energy than supersonic .556. Subsonic 300blk have less than half the energy, and a similar range. (Sorry to come across like a .458 salesman.)
I just like Sig stuff 🤣 if they had that in 10mm it'd be on like Donkey Kong
Remember, a shootout is a winner takes all situation. Why have a stockpile of ammunition for a bad actor to get if you lose?
Ammo won't really be a concern in the most heavily armed country in the world
Ammo becomes currency
Then we're all gonna be RICH! 🤣
As long as we live through the first culling
If it is God's will
Realistically a gun should be towards the bottom of the list when civilization falls. Anyone involved in a firefight has already lost, win or lose that particular battle. Just like a UFC fight, both combatants get hurt, it can't be avoided. It is better not to get involved in the fight.
The key is to create a community, an organized community can be extremely powerful. If the Community is large enough and powerful enough even the fall of civilization won't effect it.
Now is the perfect time to create a community and we can even do it on this forum, it doesn't have to be in a particular location. The world is in transition, cities are collapsing, people are separating and waking up. We can change the world right now.
I strongly disagree. you are talking about a population that the majority have never felt hunger, they've never had to actually defend their lives it's gonna be a mindfuck for people who have avoided responsibilities we take for granted. it's been said there's nine meals between Mankind and Anarchy but that's in a civilized society.. if Uber eats fails we'll probably end up with a bunch of suicidal keyboard warriors roaming the streets eating children
You are certainly correct to an extent, but what I am saying is that if we are part of an organized community we will be prepared for whatever happens. Obviously this means leaving Blue cites now.
I'll give you an example from my own family, they are farmers in Idaho. I talked to my Grandfather often about what it was like during the Great Depression, the world wars, etc. The bottom line was that there was no disruption of their lives, except that they had two Japanese prisoners for labor, who stayed after the war was over. . .
I fully expect the next collapse to be similar. All the 'action' is going to take place in the Affected Blue Zones. Self sufficient Red Zone areas will likely prosper.
All it takes to prep for the collapse is to have a skill that is in demand, there is no need to stockpile gold, guns, or food (other than a week or so worth) just stay connected with the community.. Our power is in our connections, what we give and what we provide
The Blue communities may burn themselves out, so just avoid them. Be a valued member of your group or community and leave the Rambo stuff to the stupid people.
A final note. I favor a12 gauge pump shotgun with a foldable stock. If there is going to be any fighting it is likely to be in close, where an AR isn't as effective. Just my two cents.
Our grandparents were made of different material literally and figuratively A level of perseverance only gained through hard times and self reliance Modern society is nearly devoid of that mettle If shit hits the fan the lessons of modern combat should be applied A#1 Fire superiority wins firefights Most well aimed rounds down range with either suppress the enemy or kill them And people are fuckin terrified of the sound of machine guns .02¢
All I am trying to say is that if it gets to the point we are in a firefight, we are in serious trouble and it is probably the worst possible outcome. The point is to avoid kinetic warfare.
If the above fails then drones dropping bombs on our enemies would be my preferred method. To shoot at someone I have to expose myself and I think I would prefer to hide in a bunker and kill my opponents from there. It is now a battle proven technique.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line
they're going to take us out with shit far cooler than guns and ammo. They know we're armed so why not just something else that fucks us all up?