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What was the Civil War really about? (rumble.com)
posted 2 years ago by Asterix 2 years ago by Asterix +17 / -0
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– aldagautr 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

like all wars, it was about (((bankers))) not wanting to lose control

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Northern Elites: the South cannot be allowed to secede at any cost

Northern Plebs: Muh Slavery

Southern Elites: the north cannot be trusted to respect our independent state rights, so we must sever ties. Also, our Jewish elites want to perpetuate slavery and they make us a lot of money.

Southern Plebs: Muh Rights and Freedoms (also, halfway through the war the north decided to rape pillage and murder our civilian towns, so fuck them and I don't care why)

the civil war was a case of two sides fighting four different wars.

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– vpnsurfer 3 points 2 years ago +4 / -1

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.

No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Does this answer the question?

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

while this is all true, Lincoln offered to enshrine slavery into the United States Constitution if the South remains part of the Union, and the South refused. the fundamental thing that caused the South to secede was the fact that they did not trust the North to respect the economies and autonomy of the Southern States, even amongst the southerners who did in fact want to abolish slavery (Robert E. Lee among them).

of course, when you look at reconstruction, they were absolutely right.

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– Modeler43 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah almost every individual state declaration specifically mentioned slaves.

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– IGOexiled 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

I think when a state seceded that forced the war to happen.

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– TurnToGodNow -4 points 2 years ago +3 / -7

Completely incorrect you left wing retard. Most secession throughout history did not provoke a war.

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– ReturnOfShillSlayer 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

dons a Christian avatar

hurls insults and spergs out at the slightest disagreement

I wonder why everybody laughs at christcucks. Oh wait, no I don't.

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– TurnToGodNow 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

You'll hate me regardless, so I might as well be honest

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– ReturnOfShillSlayer 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I don't know you so I can't hate you.

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– IGOexiled 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

Drink bleach and fuck a machete, you left wing retard.

Name one other time a US state seceded without causing a war. It's like Article 1 of the constitution.

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– TurnToGodNow 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

A US state. How is that the standard? But I have at least one, West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

But of course the standard is secession everywhere, not just in the USA where it only happened once against the federal government. You can look at any number of Soviet Satellite states that seceded. That's a lot of secession right there.

Any empire that declines (ahem, USA) will see states or nations secede.

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– Modeler43 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Lol they weren't talking about "most secession throughout history."

Also, what a terrible point to make.

"Most athletes throughout history didn't die from cardiac arrest. Therefore, it's incorrect to say that any athletes died of cardiac arrest."

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– TurnToGodNow 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The question is whether or not it is valid to think secession "forces" war. Based on history, no.

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– Modeler43 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Nobody asked that question until this comment. Dunno why you'd react so strongly with an answer when nobody asked.

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– TurnToGodNow 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Clearly you aren't following the thread of conversation.

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– Modeler43 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

"I think when a state seceded that forced the war to happen."

This doesn't mean that a state seceding always means a war will happen. It means in this case, secession forced a war to happen.

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +4 / -3
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– TurnToGodNow 0 points 2 years ago +4 / -4

If you think following a Darwinian murderer is Christian, you might want to pray about that.

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– deleted 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1
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– TurnToGodNow 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Many people. People in his own country. People in his own party. People in other countries (for example Poland). And the list goes on.

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– ReturnOfShillSlayer 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

States rights. To own slaves.

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– IGOexiled 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

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– free-will-of-choice -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

civil war

a) Suggested civil (common) tempts one to ignore being (unique); while suggested war (imbalance) tempts one to ignore being one piece/peace (choice) within whole (balance).

b) Consenting (want or not want) to suggested tempts one into a conflict (war) of reason (want versus not want); while permitting others to redefine the sides into for example north vs south; blue vs red; union vs confederacy; us vs them etc.

Choice can only exist at the center (life) of balance (inception/death), so choosing any suggested side imbalances choice.

In short: one's choice (consent) elects chosen ones (suggestion).

really about

a) Suggested whataboutism (fiction) tempts one to ignore perceivable (reality).

b) Opposite of about implies directly, hence being (life) directed (inception towards death)...

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– Modeler43 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Ball horn caramel

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