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– Michalusmichalus 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Those are 3 different beings.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

THREE DISTINCT ENTITIES!!!

Lucifer - the Morning Star /Venus/ the light bringer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Satan - the adversary

Satan is the prince of evil spirits and adversary of God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Satan is traditionally understood as an angel who rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven with other “fallen” angels before the creation of humankind. All three religions also see Satan as the cause of humankind’s expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Satan

Ba'al - an ancient deity

Baal is the name given to the ancient Canaanite-Phoenician deity that was previously called Hadad, who was the god of fertility (childbirth) as well as rain and storms. However, the word ''baal'' means lord, and was also applied to several other deities as well as human rulers.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/baal-god-origin-biblical-significance.html#:~:text=Baal%20is%20the%20name%20given,as%20well%20as%20human%20rulers.

Do your own God Damn research, some of us aren't biblically illiterate.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You lack the basic Greek mythology that was taught in 6th grade. Zeus/Jupiter

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/gods-and-goddesses-greek-and-roman-pantheon#:~:text=Zeus%20or%20Jupiter&text=King%20of%20the%20gods%20is,well%20as%20law%20and%20order.

the Syrian Greeks took over ancient Israel, & put statues of Zeus & other Greek gods into the Temple.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Israel#:~:text=Hellenistic%20pottery%2C%20trade%20and%20commerce,the%20Greek%20language%20and%20culture.

Acts 14:12-15 New International Version 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.

14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2014%3A12-15&version=NIV

Edit : because I can't remember everything without reviewing the comment.

The equivalent God's and gods were worshiped together at that time. Zeus is the God in charge, child of Titans ( Giants) Lucifer couldn't have disobeyed or fallen if he was in charge.

The devil was made up, and then Lucifer, and satan started being mixed up by people like you that lack the basics but think they understand.

Devil

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_in_Christianity

Satan https://www.dictionary.com/compare-words/lucifer-vs-satan

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If you don't cite it, I can't review it properly. And this is already a nightmare on my phone.

You once again are having an issue due to lack of understanding basic mythology, and biblical writing methods. Parallelism was used a whole lot due to persecution.

Styles of writing on the Bible

Parallelism is a form of poetry without metric rhyme or rhythm. Parallelism is more concerned with the rhythm of thoughts than with rhyme of sounds or words. While there are various types of parallelism, the most common are those that repeat the same thoughts but in different words, those that show contrast, and those that amplify the original thought.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/scripture-study-the-power-of-the-word-teacher-manual/lesson-12?lang=eng

Barnabas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnabas

Paul is Saul

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle#:~:text=When%20Ananias%20came%20to%20restore,who%20also%20is%20called%20Paul.%22

Mercury https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(mythology)

Hermes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes

Hermes is the son of Zeus. When you go back to the Bible verse I gave you previously this is giving you information about the two people being discussed. Mercury is the messanger in the same manner the archangel Gabriel is for the Abrahaamic religions. This verse tells you who these two people are, and what their actions were. But, knowing the backstory was to them like saying to us King Author. Instantly the entire tale comes to mind.Just like seeing people referred to as, " Saint" tells you it's a Catholic document.

Being able to use the Greek and Roman names interchangeably is important because astrotheology is a huge part of the Bible. In this manner you take the three ; satan, devil, Lucifer together if you can't distinguish between Lucifer, or satan. Musically DMX uses one line to make the listener connect to an entire song. This makes his lyrics much more powerful 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚎𝚢𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛. Don't forget how much he loved God, and the Bible. When it comes to the Bible the references are not as obvious to us all these years later in a different geographical location, speaking a different language.

Zeus /Jupiter

Here we have him considered a God of light. Not a God of darkness.

Jupiter

the chief Roman god, husband of Juno, and god of light, of the sky and weather, and of the state and its welfare and its laws compare zeus.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jupiter#:~:text=1,the%20sun%20see%20Planets%20Table

Zeus

the supreme god of the ancient Greeks, who became ruler of gods and men after he dethroned his father Cronus and defeated the Titans.

Baal is a title

The word ''baal'' means ''lord'' in several ancient Levantine Semantic languages, hence why this title was given to the important god Baal (previously Hadad) during antiquity. Hadad is often called ''Baal'' in ancient texts, including several books of the Hebrew Bible

https://study.com/academy/lesson/baal-god-origin-biblical-significance.html#:~:text=The%20word%20''baal'',books%20of%20the%20Hebrew%20Bible.

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– Jordan1234 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You seem to have learned basic mythology taught in grade school and then stopped there, never actually investigating for anything of deeper substance.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

No, I actually listen to podcasts while knitting, or crocheting. Ever think about how long those items take to make? I do I whole lot of listening.

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– Jordan1234 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The Bible plainly states that you weren’t going to Gain a deeper understanding of biblical truth until you actually read it for yourself. You can listen to podcasts all day long but at the end of the day that’s not a personal relationship with Jesus and the word. That’s just listening to other peoples interpretations of a book that you’re not reading yourself.

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– Jordan1234 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That’s not how biblical naming works. In the Bible, your name changes based on circumstance. Before the fall, he was Lucifer. After the fall, he is Satan. Ba’al is just one of the names pagans gave him. You can still tell it’s the same person by the symbolism, doctrine, and moral character associated with the different names. The same thing applies to us as we are given new names after the second coming of Christ to reflect our status as redeemed beings.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The change of the name is telling you something.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Lucifer can be considered a devil or the devil after the fall. Not satan. Satan is a title. And, if you think of the story of Job it's clear Satan still had God's ear. The fallen did not, Demons are just fallen angels. The first heretics.

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– Jordan1234 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Of course he still had Gods ear. God isn’t a tyrant and gives everyone free will. He lets the Devil play things out within reason to allow the rest of creation an opportunity to see for themselves the consequences of sin. That’s why it’s playing out like this and God didn’t just erase Lucifer from existence right away. That would’ve left room for doubt and would only have given sin an opportunity to arise in others.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Did you never go to Bible study, or this topic was never covered? It's part of the answer to why in discussing Noah's flood. The wrath of God was so fierce the symbol of the rainbow was used to say he's never be that harsh again. Because he was a harsh, and never forget, " I am a jealous God".

Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to

Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fallen-Angels/

There is a theory that the Bible is referring to two different God's because of the differences. I'm not going to go into that. If you're interested in that, it's not quite part of the theory with the 4 different letters representing who wrote the Bible.

I will give you my opinion. When I read the Bible all the way through like a book for the second time just before I had kids, I was not able to accept or agree with the actions taken by God. As a soon to be parent they were not actions I could imagine myself taking.

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– Jordan1234 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It’s all the same God, not multiple. It becomes more clear when you understand the wording for certain instances from Hebrew thought. From their point of view, if God permits something to happen, it’s valid to write as if He made it happen. In the case of the flood, you have to remember that God waited for thousands of years before declaring the world would be destroyed by the flood. By that time, wickedness had become so prevalent, it would have threatened the plan of salvation so He declared the world would be destroyed. Even then, He commanded Noah to preach the warning that the flood would come for 120 years before it finally came. In that time, anyone who was willing was given a chance at mercy and they would be allowed into the ark so long as they would change their ways. Everybody who was destroyed in the flood had an opportunity to hear both sides and make their choice as to what they would do. God makes it a rule for Himself that His creation is given free will and the capacity to exercise that will. It’s why so many bad things happen to good people. God isn’t making those bad things happen, he’s just permitting people (including the fallen angels) to make what choices they will with the time given them to make those choices. If you want, I can post some information regarding biblical typology and material that further explains the mindset of God. Once you can see things through that lens and not the lens of a human mindset, it all makes a lot more sense.

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