Of course he still had Gods ear. God isn’t a tyrant and gives everyone free will. He lets the Devil play things out within reason to allow the rest of creation an opportunity to see for themselves the consequences of sin. That’s why it’s playing out like this and God didn’t just erase Lucifer from existence right away. That would’ve left room for doubt and would only have given sin an opportunity to arise in others.
Did you never go to Bible study, or this topic was never covered? It's part of the answer to why in discussing Noah's flood. The wrath of God was so fierce the symbol of the rainbow was used to say he's never be that harsh again. Because he was a harsh, and never forget, " I am a jealous God".
Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to
Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)
There is a theory that the Bible is referring to two different God's because of the differences. I'm not going to go into that. If you're interested in that, it's not quite part of the theory with the 4 different letters representing who wrote the Bible.
I will give you my opinion. When I read the Bible all the way through like a book for the second time just before I had kids, I was not able to accept or agree with the actions taken by God. As a soon to be parent they were not actions I could imagine myself taking.
It’s all the same God, not multiple. It becomes more clear when you understand the wording for certain instances from Hebrew thought. From their point of view, if God permits something to happen, it’s valid to write as if He made it happen. In the case of the flood, you have to remember that God waited for thousands of years before declaring the world would be destroyed by the flood. By that time, wickedness had become so prevalent, it would have threatened the plan of salvation so He declared the world would be destroyed. Even then, He commanded Noah to preach the warning that the flood would come for 120 years before it finally came. In that time, anyone who was willing was given a chance at mercy and they would be allowed into the ark so long as they would change their ways. Everybody who was destroyed in the flood had an opportunity to hear both sides and make their choice as to what they would do. God makes it a rule for Himself that His creation is given free will and the capacity to exercise that will. It’s why so many bad things happen to good people. God isn’t making those bad things happen, he’s just permitting people (including the fallen angels) to make what choices they will with the time given them to make those choices. If you want, I can post some information regarding biblical typology and material that further explains the mindset of God. Once you can see things through that lens and not the lens of a human mindset, it all makes a lot more sense.
The, " wickedness" included the Seven Secured Sciences aka the trivium, and quadivium. The flood was an attempt to get right of nephilim, and raphiam. It didn't work. As in the days of Noah is pretty much where were are today with CRISPR, clones etc.
The above about magic is the documented reason Jews were kicked out of so many countries. The people in charge wanted to be the only ones doing magic. Christianity especially demonized the use of magic keeping it for the people that considered themselves the elites.
Both the diehold foundation, and Dan Winter show how Hebrew letters are created from the shadow of dna at different angles if you're interested.
I’ve already seen all that thanks. Reminds me of the meru foundations research on the Hebrew alphabet.
Your interpretation on the Bible’s stance regarding magic is incorrect however. God repeatedly states that His people are to have nothing to do with magic or worldly arts of that sort. To engage in that requires you to contact and obey fallen angels. The hebrews routinely disobeyed Him or misunderstood what He meant when they engaged in that behavior. Any members of the higher priesthood that were secretly practicing magic did so to their own detriment as Jesus rebuked them for such things in both the Old and New Testament.
You know the Bible is an anthology right? You also know it had editors long after the original. We have no idea, we are still studying, and are great theories for both sides.
Yes, I’m aware. It’s also the most cohesive, consistent, and intertwined collection that has ever existed. The study of what is and isn’t canonical, how they decided, the origins of different translations, what groups kept what translations, etc. is a very fascinating subject. There are very good reasons as to why the books that are included in the canon are included and the apocryphal books aren’t. As you continue to study the subject, you start to get very familiar with the character of God and notice very quickly when translational changes or story beats that don’t jive with the rest of scripture get mixed in. Satan uses the same rhetoric over and over.
Of course he still had Gods ear. God isn’t a tyrant and gives everyone free will. He lets the Devil play things out within reason to allow the rest of creation an opportunity to see for themselves the consequences of sin. That’s why it’s playing out like this and God didn’t just erase Lucifer from existence right away. That would’ve left room for doubt and would only have given sin an opportunity to arise in others.
Did you never go to Bible study, or this topic was never covered? It's part of the answer to why in discussing Noah's flood. The wrath of God was so fierce the symbol of the rainbow was used to say he's never be that harsh again. Because he was a harsh, and never forget, " I am a jealous God".
Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to
Genesis 6:1-22 - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Read More...)
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fallen-Angels/
There is a theory that the Bible is referring to two different God's because of the differences. I'm not going to go into that. If you're interested in that, it's not quite part of the theory with the 4 different letters representing who wrote the Bible.
I will give you my opinion. When I read the Bible all the way through like a book for the second time just before I had kids, I was not able to accept or agree with the actions taken by God. As a soon to be parent they were not actions I could imagine myself taking.
It’s all the same God, not multiple. It becomes more clear when you understand the wording for certain instances from Hebrew thought. From their point of view, if God permits something to happen, it’s valid to write as if He made it happen. In the case of the flood, you have to remember that God waited for thousands of years before declaring the world would be destroyed by the flood. By that time, wickedness had become so prevalent, it would have threatened the plan of salvation so He declared the world would be destroyed. Even then, He commanded Noah to preach the warning that the flood would come for 120 years before it finally came. In that time, anyone who was willing was given a chance at mercy and they would be allowed into the ark so long as they would change their ways. Everybody who was destroyed in the flood had an opportunity to hear both sides and make their choice as to what they would do. God makes it a rule for Himself that His creation is given free will and the capacity to exercise that will. It’s why so many bad things happen to good people. God isn’t making those bad things happen, he’s just permitting people (including the fallen angels) to make what choices they will with the time given them to make those choices. If you want, I can post some information regarding biblical typology and material that further explains the mindset of God. Once you can see things through that lens and not the lens of a human mindset, it all makes a lot more sense.
The, " wickedness" included the Seven Secured Sciences aka the trivium, and quadivium. The flood was an attempt to get right of nephilim, and raphiam. It didn't work. As in the days of Noah is pretty much where were are today with CRISPR, clones etc.
Hebrew was a dead language
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/hebrew-wasnt-spoken-for-2000-years-heres-how-it-was-revived
Hebrew is used in magic
https://www.bl.uk/hebrew-manuscripts/articles/the-power-of-language-in-jewish-kabbalah
The above about magic is the documented reason Jews were kicked out of so many countries. The people in charge wanted to be the only ones doing magic. Christianity especially demonized the use of magic keeping it for the people that considered themselves the elites.
Both the diehold foundation, and Dan Winter show how Hebrew letters are created from the shadow of dna at different angles if you're interested.
I’ve already seen all that thanks. Reminds me of the meru foundations research on the Hebrew alphabet.
Your interpretation on the Bible’s stance regarding magic is incorrect however. God repeatedly states that His people are to have nothing to do with magic or worldly arts of that sort. To engage in that requires you to contact and obey fallen angels. The hebrews routinely disobeyed Him or misunderstood what He meant when they engaged in that behavior. Any members of the higher priesthood that were secretly practicing magic did so to their own detriment as Jesus rebuked them for such things in both the Old and New Testament.
You know the Bible is an anthology right? You also know it had editors long after the original. We have no idea, we are still studying, and are great theories for both sides.
Yes, I’m aware. It’s also the most cohesive, consistent, and intertwined collection that has ever existed. The study of what is and isn’t canonical, how they decided, the origins of different translations, what groups kept what translations, etc. is a very fascinating subject. There are very good reasons as to why the books that are included in the canon are included and the apocryphal books aren’t. As you continue to study the subject, you start to get very familiar with the character of God and notice very quickly when translational changes or story beats that don’t jive with the rest of scripture get mixed in. Satan uses the same rhetoric over and over.