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– Michalusmichalus 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

It's almost as if the rich people decided this will be a private island.

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– jonzor82 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Sounds like they're trying to do a "Martha's Vinyard" kind of deal

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

They technically can't. Unless it deports them and put them into camps.

How constitutional is that?

I imagine at the minute it's chaos. How long do investigations take. Weeks. How long before there's access and under what contracts can they rebuild? If they can? It is problematic to certain extents. Who has government lined up to redevelop it, what cost is it resold. Can they use their own contractors? Then there all the distribution to an Island and its services and grids.

Not all those people can regardless. How many weren't home owners?

It's different on the Mainland. But any comparison could be what happened in big hurricanes. New Orleans. Puerto Rico. Yea a long time.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I never forget that Hawaii used to have a queen.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

Yep, royalty, and etc. Wasn't it a king at one point, I think. Like when Cook was killed?

They were too weak to stop progress. They would've been assimilated regardless.

Overthrown. Late 1800s. None resisted, the few who did, got sick, and the rest took the money, selling out their own. They'd been played off, since discovery. It was once the USA went coast to coast, no stopping it. They became a bigger problem.

Other Islands Caribbean were European colonies. Etc. Not as problematic. Hawaii is the nearest Islands not colonised to the USA coastline going West. Hence they became USA territory. Integrated since. But the monarchy succession of sovereignty was a tale of conquest.

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– Michalusmichalus 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The queen who had it taken from her married someone in politics. She knew how to fight by the rules they didn't agree to. I tried to explain to my kids how this was a big deal by comparing it to the Native Americans, who's error was expecting the government to value what they valued like honesty. She was giving them hell.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/queen-lili-uokalani.htm#:~:text=Queen%20Lili'uokalani%20was%20the,Hawai'i%20during%20the%201890s.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

They made them sick, and bought them off. Killed others. Playing them off. Easy coup.

I wonder what happened to the rest of the lineage. There is far more to it.

The problem was she had no allies, in her attempts too, became more isolated. She could only be forced into submission due to the geography, trading lanes, location. She isolated herself being away, getting educated, travelling the globe. It probably fermented the rebellion. Despite some other songs, sung, too late. The money and industry coming in bought off support against her by her own people, which she tried to maintain her sovereignty of. But somehow the distrust was there. Coup. Despite any later orphanages. Sadly, where was her line?

I think that is a very liberal version of events. There is a much bigger pattern and there's amnesia.

Today people reminisce trying to find that collective history, but you won't understand that version.

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– Michalusmichalus 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

It's a very good example of the government using businesses to do their dirty work too.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

It hasn't changed. Either. Yes an example of how that works. Including the later revisionism. Somebody will probably turn into another movie. So it's completely washed over.

There is a real pattern there of what actually occurred. You can see it reading between the lines. They were played off. Huge questions, blanks what happened to her line. If she was imprisoned, rebellion, was she also exiled, where did the rest of her house go? She was also in fact a usurper? Read more about it. She married an American. She was adopted? She was a queen reagent?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili%CA%BBuokalani

Instead there is this other bemusing narrative. Of songs and orphanages and liberalism. The article you linked cited racism. Ironically. It didn't exist then. The concept.

It is what is. There isn't any changing it. It has become another World. To what extent is it being repeated now?

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