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Bronze tools can't melt stone beams: Eiffel Tower-built by colonial superpower- 10kT, Empire State- nuclear superpower- 400000Tons, Giza pyramid complex- built in 2200BC-appr 300 Acres but weighs 13000000Tons? Does this make any sense to you? Neil Tyson/Veritaseum can't explain the physics (media.conspiracies.win)
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– Ep0ch 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

It's a documentary you haven't watched. Instead you're mouthing off against it, without watching it. No. Discovery or other documentary channels are source of knowledge. A series of documentaries with a heap of read the wiki commenting on it. They stress tested and ran scenarios. It covers impact, nova, ice age, oceans, nature etc.

Smart people don't spew ignorance about something they haven't watched.

The pyramids are already 5k years old according to the concentric narrative. We're in a topic arguing they're older. Skyscrapers, dumbass, are already being replaced.

Here's a pyramid that's much older https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunung_Padang.

When I link a wiki, it's a reference. Not a protest.

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The pyramids are already 5k years old according to the concentric narrative.

And they are degrading, as any limestone building or natural structure. They just big enough to degrade for hundreds of thousands years, but they eventually will wear out from temperature gradients and wind, if humans will not cover and soak them with modern, much more rigid materials.

Egyptian pyramids are heavily overhyped. They are undoubtfully interesting phenomena and significant historical artifact, but there is nothing unusual in them. Many civilisations build pyramids for whatever reasons at some time, but they are all pretty simple things, without any sign of really advanced, obviously out-of-time knowledge. They are definitely not a launch sites of goa'uld hattak ships.

Nasca drawings are much more interesting from the point of technology, f.e., because their existence assume ability to see them from above, and that means that humans had some technology to fly at the time. It doesn't have to be super-cool alien flying disks or whatever, kind of kite, glider or hot air baloon large enough to get a human in air is more than enough. But we still don't have any artifacts that could be a proof of ancient aviation.

I have nothing against a theory of advanced ancient civilisations at all, but just theory existence is not enough at all. After any good theory, there should be undeniable, solid proofs and mandatory usefulness for humanity. But there are none. Same with ancient aliens who helped humans, theory, with all that underground civilisations and so on. They are all nice and valid theories for a long time, but even if a nice theory can't be proved for a long time, along with giving absolutely nothing practically useful for humanity, it become a fairy tale, nothing more.

Yeah, OK, there was ancients, they could cut and move large limestones an build pyramids. So what? What it gives us? How is it useful for us today? Could we use that theory for anything useful, except entertainment?

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– Ep0ch 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

They weren't maintained and had the outer limestone, brilliant white sheen, documented by Greek historians, stolen, to make mosques, it was also pillaged by others. The capstones were also taken. Supposedly solid gold.

All evidence suggests massive climate change took place in Egypt and the Sahara.

At what point, think, did these people build their shit out in a desert. Changing religion and desecration took place. But not to the extent of a desert. Yes it blew in like a dustbowl rust town. But the sphinx was buried until Napoleon. He didn't break its nose either. The Valley of the Kings. Come on, fertile nile. Their belief was they went too? It wasn't a desert.

I don't care much about it. Except that they are a phenomenon not explained with bronze tools. Despite the history channel's attempts.

As per the other pyramid linked in Indonesia. It is presumably far older. It hasn't been fully proved, hit the textbooks. But it's there. If proved it means there was a civilization building pyramids prior to the Greenland crater. That means the pyramids are older.

It means an ancient prediluvian civilization. How advanced. Who really cares. But they weren't monkeys.

Already established with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe. And https://www.dailystar.co.uk/travel/travel-news/mexico-cave-cenote-quintana-roo-16840017 https://mexicounexplained.com/cenotes-of-the-maya/

What do they provide, today, not much other than a grave. But remarkably those structures have outlived almost everything else. They're still a wonder of our World. A source of its origin.

The fascination comes with their alignment. Along leylines set into alignment under our cosmic constellations. What were they trying to say? Why did they believe what they did, placing into alignment structures that heralded the stars? Are we invasive. Or did we come from monkeys, evolving? Who really cares. Except a reset occurred. It is becoming fundamentally harder to disprove.

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

All evidence suggests massive climate change took place in Egypt and the Sahara.

Not so massive. Massive climate change are ice ages and their endings.

Yes, Nile delta and higher was pretty green at the time, that is why people settled there. Such changes are not rare, Greenland was once green, and crocodiles lived in Volga river. Unless CO2 levels will rise to normal levels (around 1000ppm), climate will not be stable.

Except that they are a phenomenon not explained with bronze tools.

To cut limestone and sandstone you don't need even bronze. You need a rope, some glue and sand. Soak rope in glue, then cover it with sand and you will have pretty precision cutter for soft stones. This will give more than decent cut, due to self-aligning of the rope to shortest distance between ends. Then, ypou could polish cut surface with a plank, sand and some water. With enough workforce and time, you don't need magic tools to make Egypt pyramids.

I have megalitic construction in nearest town - it is a huge rampart with a kremlin wall on it. It has larger footprint than Cheops pyramid, and at least comparable to it in terms of mass that was moved by humans. And no, thousand years ago, when that construction was build people didn't have excavators, bulldozers, cranes and other modern machinery. And hardly their tools was fundamentally different from Egyptian ones. It is fascinating, what people did in ancient times, but there is no any miracle, just amount of workforce and time.

I spent a lot of time trying to find any sign of some hidden ancient knowledge in pyramids, but there are none I could detect, not even talking about using. I even build a small pyramid once, scaled copy of Cheops. :) Had some fun, but nothing more. Knives did not sharpen inside pyramid, water did not stay fresh longer, no any energy anomalies or whatever. Of course it was from regular bricks, bought for the house facing, not from limestone, but pyramid apologists insist that the thing is in shape not in the material. May be you are aware, near Moscow one rich man (Alexander Golod) even build a pyramid 44 meters in height. He was well into all that ancient knowledge stuff, and built dozens of pyramids around country. AFAIK he have contacts and projects with John DeSalvo. All in all there is nothing except entertainment happens in pyramids.

What were they trying to say? Why did they believe what they did, placing into alignment structures that heralded the stars?

All that time counting thing using space objects was very important for ancient people. They literally depended on it in the absense of a decent calendar carefully synced with Earth orbit. When to sow the wheat? When fertilize fruit trees? It was literally a "life or death" question. So they truly believed that stars influence or even rule their lives. That's why a lot of attention to the skies.

The question of human origin could be even more weird than anyone think. God's creation, aliens, monkeys, ancient civilisations and so on, It could be even a weird combination of all that stuff. :) Ancient civilization created by God on another, more pleasant planet was eventually expelled to the Earth, and in order to survive in new environment they had to borrow some DNA sequences from local primates. :) That's why we have up to 10% of our DNA from unknown origin, switch to 30 hour activity cycle when not exposed to daylight and have that story about Eden in Bible.

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– Ep0ch 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Yes. The Sahara was fertile. Prior to all of 12k years ago. With far more pockets of life. There is supposedly debunked Herodotus saying between Egypt and Libya spanned a huge river, then the labyrinith. Debunked because what's left is nothing of the sort. However the explanation that the Sahara was eroded over time by herders, and migratory herds, is rather ignorant. But it has been given. Like Lebanon great forests recorded as building the Ark, gone, or the forests around the Rock City of Petra, gone. Although these perhaps are human activity, with seismic, not the Sahara. For Example Hippo and crocodile remains are found up and down the Rhine.

Or the Nile retreating by 100s of miles. No what happened was something else. Extreme.

The point is they didn't build their stuff in a desert. At all. Lush fertile land, a river thriving with life. The life of the gods and planet. What fully went wrong. Perhaps population but we are talking far more than documented. Chinese founding recording of multi millions. China isn't a desert. Egypt supposedly didn't have those figures because later Roman recording doesn't.

Yawn. The Pyramids outer stone was limestone. This was maintained to be a smooth white sheen, ontop a solid gold capstone. Inner is mostly granite. The outer stone was maintained by the Egyptians restoring it. That restoration stopped after the Greeks.

Who knows. But they got their ideas from somewhere. They didn't wake up as monkeys and then build pyramids.

The point I am driving at is prediluvian civilization. How advanced. Pyramid. Obviously.

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