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No. Sorry both sides use propaganda. Both have reasons.
It is finding the reason. Objectively. Not listening to bleeding hearts propaganda. Trust no one.
I am inclined not to believe either objectively.
Last year Kherson was in Russian hands it was moving forward to Odessa or at least the next city above Kherson, some name I don't want to look up, Mykol whatever. That dynamic changed on withdrawal. Russia blew out the connecting bridge on retreat. Where Ukraine then had attacked the dam. Now the bridge is destroyed and so is the dam.
Accurately was the hydro powerstation in use. No, the odds are it wasn't to any degree. Problematical it's war, but no excuse for preventing catastrophe. So it suggests there is probability for Russian causality. Accidentally or not. It was expected because of the known risk.
Currently Ukraine's offensive has gone shit, although there is still fighting in Donetsk and etc. But the press today is reading of lies. They hadn't started their counteroffensive. Nato suggesting its troops might be deployed. Talks of F16s being sent, prior to the supposed months of training. It suggests what? Ukraine are full of bananas.
It is possible they created this incident to gain further support. They do shit like it.
But come on. I'm not getting into banana throwing. It served a purpose. Now who is to blame and why?
If you need a reason, just find out what etnicity populate flooded region. It is a perfectly valid reason for creating such a disaster for those who are indoctrinated or have a dream to exterminate that etnicity and never hid that intention ever.
Yes. Perhaps. But that's not an objective. It's speculation based on opposing propaganda.
Obviously Ukraine is suffering from warfare, and in the process it's partially breaking away from its Russian ancestry, or attempting too.
But to suggest an entire populace is genocided because it plans to replace its ethnic origin is ignorant. Ukraine will still be there no matter any changes by whom and what.
The dam bursting didn't genocide the rest of the Ukraine. It expanded a waterway that was previously dammed. Why? It's not because of joos migrating.
Since when objective ethnic distribution become non-objective propaganda?
There was no any Ukraine just 100 years ago, and it existet only as administrative region of USSR 70 years from that 100 years. What makes you think that Ukraine will still be there? Yugoslavia is not there, Chechoslovakia is not there, Austro-Hungary is not there, even USSR is not there. Ukraine is a LARP state created on a wreckage of USSR and immidiately submited by the West to become pure anti-Russia. Country build purely on the idea of being anti-another_country can't survive for a long. Because it have absolutely nothing to hold it together and move it forward.
With high probability there will be no any Ukraine in 10 years or even less, regardless of how things with that pseudo-war will develop.
What is not an objective, but speculation based on propaganda - it is Ukraine state existence.
Dam bursting didn't change anything, really. Just destroyed property of Russian population, that's all. No any difference from constant Donetsk and Lugansk regions shelling or shelling of small villages in Belgorod or Kursk regions.
Within a week water level below the dam will retrun to the norm, the level in Kakhovka resevour will be 2-3 meters lower, and that's all. The only result will be the destroyed property of Russain people that will be restored for Russians tax money and may be some dead Russian civilians who didn't evacuated from flood area.
IDk, if you want to believe in that stupid MSM narrative about great Ukrainian offensive or whatever - go ahead, but that does not make things anyhow different. Even you believe that it is possible, dam busting changing absolutely nothing for the result of that offensive, just because flooded region is too tough for Ukrainian/NATO military regardless of the flood. They couldn't do anything before, they can't do anything after. No any difference.
It's bullshit and you know it. It has nothing to do with the topic. There was no ethnic cleansing when a dam burst. A few beavers died at best. Omg the poor beavers. Bleeding hearts propaganda.
Russia did its own ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, a few decades ago. Holdomor.
You're right Ukraine didn't exist as the country its claiming, and it never has historically, but strangely there's this map showing something it thinks is. Ukraine existed 1000s of years ago. Roman specifically, and older. Okay. I'll agree, Russia gave Ukraine its borders. Because Ukraine has never existed as the country the map shows today, hadn't Russia granted Ukraine its borders and built much of it.
The dam bursting destroyed a bridge, and a dam, it expanded the river. It flooded low lying ground rising the water level.
Civilians being evacuated strains Ukrainian services more, I'd expect. An entire city, Kherson, plus lots of villages over a much larger area of river.
The dam bursting didn't make Ukraine fight any better. No. Their offensive operations have been woefully killed. Annihilated. At this point all they can do is deny they launched an offensive, because they haven't captured anything.
But what does a dam bursting do? It provokes, it causes support. This is ignorant, it happens regardless.
The probability is still Russia. Unless you can tell me why Ukraine did it, something factual objectively. Instead of dumb provocation.