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Map from the 1700. Europe on the right, Asia on the left. Whole lot of "Tartary" on this sucker. (Black sea is mark with a star for reference) (media.scored.co)
posted 2 years ago by BladesLastBottle 2 years ago by BladesLastBottle +19 / -0
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– Primate98 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Just a fun note on a related subject no one thinks about: why are Europe and Asia considered different continents? What numbskull would even suggest them to be separate continents... uh, you know, just welded together by a low mountain range 1,600 miles long?

A solution to this disregarded question is that, at one time, there was so much enmity between the Tartarians in what we now call Asia and whoever exactly was in what we now call Europe that they refused to even acknowledge they shared the same continent.

Even in relatively recent history, the borders in Eastern Europe have shifted all around. They still are, in fact. As is often the case, the game is given away to the observant right on Wikipedia itself, and this time it's on this map.

With the Urals accepted as the demarcation between Europe and Asia, we see a huge chunk of Russia in Europe but--again--who would have drawn this line and why? If you read the nonsense written in the Ural Mountains wiki, they dance all around it but include this gem:

Nevertheless, around that time in the early 16th century, Polish geographer, Maciej of Miechów, in his influential Tractatus de duabus Sarmatiis (1517) argued that there were no mountains in Eastern Europe at all, challenging the point of view of some authors of Classical antiquity, popular during the Renaissance.

They were arguing as late as the 16th Century whether the mountains even existed! We have already mentioned the Tartarians, but for those with very adventurous minds, the next sentence from the article is quite tantalizing:

... there are mountains behind the Pechora and identified them with the Riphean Mountains and Hyperboreans of ancient authors....

Through geography, have we tripped across an intersection between Tartary and Hyperborea? Sometimes I wish I could just find the Indiana Jones warehouse and read the history books about all this.

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– LarrySwinger 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

They're beneath the Vatican.

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

in all seriousness, although suspicion of that is widespread (in certain circles), I really, really, really hope so.

When I look around and see how history is being annihilated just in our current time, I wonder how much was ever preserved when it's all so delicate to begin with. I try not to think about it too much so I don't weep and fall to despair.

The subject of the destruction and desecration of the record of human events is rarely talked about, but you know who mentioned years ago their alarm and regret that lies were being written down as history? Melania Trump. She's a quiet one but there's more going on with her than we know., huh?

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– BladesLastBottle [S] 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

i like where your going with this

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– BladesLastBottle [S] 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

*Europe on the left, asia on the right.

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– RentFreeCrisisAct 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

And here I am stuck in the middle with you.

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– KiloRomeo 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I think we now call these regions Mongolia and Chinese Mongolia.

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– Michalusmichalus 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

This topic was hit hard with the crazy it up people. Too much time, effort, and money.

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– Eisenhorn -2 points 2 years ago +2 / -4

Why are you treating centuries-old writings as absolute truth?

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– GREED_IS_GOOD 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Tell us what you think the truth is?

What truth?

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– PerfectDebate 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

That there was no Tartarian empire and that the term “Tartary” was a term to refer to a region, like “Darkest Africa” and “the Middle East.”

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