Finally a truthful comment! Yes, this is the actual reason for the high prices! Sorry, but I can do nothing more than upvote your comment.
I had some info on how to lower the price: If you call the medical institution that bills you and ask them about the specific payment and why is that so high, they will usually divert the question to asking less money from you. This is real, I know for instance one of the replies was "then how much can you pay?". Clearly showing that they pull the prices out of the as*es.
Love such comments! Simple. Straight to the point.
I watched it, but I cannot agree with their statement, in under 2 minutes in the video, - "Politicians are NOT involved..."... Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB3imWlPTKE - Here's a video, under 2 minutes, that show... let's say a conflict of interests... Who dictates the words from the mainstream media?
But politicians are not involved? Really? ... Big Pharma would suffocate without the politicians to supply the air... In reality, you cannot sue Big Pharma for injecting the death shot in you... But you can sue the doctor, who injected you... ?!?
Dig deeper on the topic. The more you dig, the more you will uncover on the topic.
Nope. Not if you look at spend thats not classified as health care in other countries, but is in the US.
Simple example: All those admins that do random paperwork but dont see a patient? Thats not healthcare, its general administrative in the government. Boom, "cheaper" healthcare as reported to the populace on spending charts.
Theres hundreds of more things like this that arent counted as healthcare in other countries but is in the US because health care facilities have to recoup those costs instead of having a never ending slush fund available to them.
All you have to do is tear apart the UN reports that try to rationalize the spend as healthcare cost per person.
Can you imagine paying $15 for one Tylenol, $8 for a tissue or $50 for a tongue depressor?
If you have insurance, the companies bargain with the hospitals for better prices. Walk off the street barely above minimum wage with no insurance and your gonna get raped.
I noticed no stories about canada. Canada is a special sort of fucked. The government hates that the taxpayers have free healthcare so they are purposely under training, under funding, just straight up fucking good doctors.
I thought american healthcare was fucked. And the one girl at the beginning thinks its so cute that no one sues anyone. That works both ways. When people arent held liable to a minimum standard, people die, and shoulders are shrugged. No one cares, because no one is held liable.
In my case you know, poison me with freon, deny me medical care. Then on top of that they lie and cover the entire thing up. This is what they consider healthcare here? Its obvious they want people to die, only then will people be ok with paying twice for the same shitty subpar service. Once through taxes, then twice through insurance.
What the fuck is the point of free healthcare if people cant get it when they need it?
Dont even get me started on the mental care in canada, its fucking non existent. WCB telling me to see a psychologist. HAHA people who are fucking SUICIDAL cant even get the help they need unless they wait years. Fucking pathetic.
If you walk in off the street and dont have insurance, you arent seen. They will give you the location of a nearby "free clinic". The only place that will see you is the ER and even then, its not that price.
The $15 for tylenol is the rate they list as "retail". When your insurance "knocks it down" to $1, they then us that data to boast to companies to join their plan because they saved as a total average 50% (or whatever).
Now, lets say you fell and broke a hip and went to the ER and got treated without insurance. They send you a bill with these "retail rates" as they are contractually required to do (because the insurance companies want things to seem extremely expensive, remember). But then you call and go "I make $12 a month sucking quarters out of vending machines, lets setup a super low payment!" They will and are required to take $5/month forever and never collect on those bills. And, if you are savvy enough to complain about $15 for your pill, they'll take 30-50% off on the phone - usually without even the theater of talking to a manager.
This is like a store having a TV for $100, then raising it to $150 the 45 days before boxing day and then advertising the "33% discount" for the holiday when it's $99.99. The tv was never $150, except to a few idiots who bought on from November 15 to December 25.
And what does any of that have to do with the occluded costs of nonUS care?
By the way, if you actually had experience in US health care, youd know how easy it is to get white bread health professionals if you really care about that.
I guess everything in the US seems good if you don't know basic math, or basic history, or basic logic... :( I refuse to believe US citizens are as dumb as you are. You must be a shill. :D
You claim I'm ignorant when you dont even know the basics of US care? You dont even seem to have done any research on claims from the UN or country governments.
Your retorts have been fact-free and evasive.
And, by the by, your evidence of youth being dumb as rocks is near universal. The beeb has this same game going back decades in the UK. Ive also seen French and German shows that are similar. I even recall plato or socrates calling the youth of their day lazy lackwits. Ill go out on a limb- all youth from all generations have a period when they are dumb as rocks.
The healthcare system continues the hijacking that Rockefeller did to the AMA many decades ago. The system is terribly corrupt and also has in bed with big pharma since at least the 1960s. Doctors routinely are bribed by pharma sales reps too.
Nah, the monstrosity that got most of its research at the start from the unethical experiments from nazi germany. Tell me it aint so.
Before the National Socialist party came to power, the German pharmaceutical industry constituted an international reference as far as the development of new medicines was concerned, having been responsible for synthetic analgesics (phenacetin, phenazones, acetylsalicylic acid), arsphenamine, barbiturates and sulfonamides.
The year 1925 saw the founding of I.G. Farben (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG), a conglomerate of companies that would monopolize the country’s chemical production and come to own all its major pharmaceutical industries.
During the World War II, I.G. Farben participated in numerous operations associated with the criminal activities of the Nazi executive, including the use of slave labour in plants built close to concentration camps, such as that at Auschwitz.
With regard to medical and pharmacological research projects, I.G. Farben became involved in experimental programmes using patients from the Nazi regime’s euthanasia programmes and healthy subjects recruited without their consent from concentration camps, on whom various pharmacological substances were tested, including sulfamide and arsenical derivatives and other preparations whose composition is not precisely known (B-1012, B-1034, 3382 or Rutenol, 3582 or Acridine), generally in relation to the treatment of infectious diseases, such as typhus, erysipelas, scarlet fever or paratyphoid diarrhoea.
Furthermore, I.G. Farben played a decisive role in the German army’s chemical warfare programme, contributing to the development of the first two neurotoxic substances, later known as ‘nerve agents’, tabun and sarin. Some of these activities came to light as a result of the one the famous Nuremberg Trials in 1947, which saw 24 executives and scientists from I.G. Farben brought to justice for, among other offences, the use of slave labour in the concentration camps and forced experimentation with drugs on prisoners.
That's the pharma side, and it too is bad. But it is well documented about Rockefeller and his setting up the AMA as a profitable monopoly. He had thugs and I know of one case where it was rumored he had an early innovator murdered.
And while our Govt rapes us with financial taxes, compare how much in taxes the Govt of those nations steal from those citizens who claim their healthcare is cheaper. What else are they giving up for their false sense of cheaper healthcare? NO nation has citizens who ARENT being fucked over by their Govt, each nation just has devised its own implementation of how they fool citizens into not realizing it.
Well, the point is that US citizens are fked the most or at least top 3 regarding healthcare. That's another comment that has the intention "keep your head down", "don't compare to others, because they are all bad". That's true but when you need insulin and you get to a US hospital and you put yourself in debt just for your health is vastly different than Europe's affordable prices for a life-saving medication like insulin.
Basically, I am saying "The US healthcare is very close to deep black color, to say that metaphorically about their system". You say "But many colors have some black in it". Then I say "You lack perception and the whole picture to make an accurate evaluation". Clear enough?
This is what all my US citizen students finally understand after a year or two of studies outside USA and having to use those basic systems (like healthcare, outside USA):
people elsewhere are generally healthier
people elsewhere are quite often more highly educated, not to mention cultivated
people elsewhere can often get certain basic services cheaper, when there is not a bunch of hedge funds, big banks and monopolies fleecing them on that service, but those services are run as "utilities" with standard c. 10% markup and excellent output/cost ratio
In most developed countries (that are not communist/socialist or broke) you can still get basic care, even if you are broke yourself
= all of that has worked for 70+ years, continues to work for now and is likely to work as long as the American system. Not better, not worse, just different.
Gee, what a novel idea - more than one strategy can give useful results. The costs and benefits are just slightly differently distributed.
The biggest lie Americans are told is the notion of "american exceptionalism". Nothing exceptional about USA, except perhaps in military industrial complex spending, where it reigns supreme.
Still, USA is "good as it is" and many like it. Some like some other countries / systems. Funny that, people like different things.
I have a problem with people, who use "literally" incorrectly... Even you might've noticed that they didn't "literally" go bankrupt.
Anyway, I am not defending Finland, but your argument is to show who is worse than already terrible USA robbing their own citizens when they need basic health care... That's fk'd up.
The idea of the post is for US citizens to be aware of the scam that is their own healthcare system. Not who is sh*ttier in Europe... I guess the UK are leading in obesity, but we just call that "The West".
Also, bernie sanders tweets? That's what your argument stands on? I guess you never saw how he defends the communist system... Do you even know what a communist is? Would you be happy with a leader that ruins your country and then states "well, in Finland is worse"??? :D Sorry, laughed at my own comment on that last one.. :D
At this point, I can only conclude that you don't have the full picture or your purposefully divert attention with your comment. So, I guess better research the whole picture before posting these one-sided and faaaaar tooo specific opinions by unproven sources. Also, don't use "literally" incorrectly. :D Sorry, that was way too easy. Keep digging!
I have a problem with people, who use "literally" incorrectly... Even you might've noticed that they didn't "literally" go bankrupt.
It's practically bankrupt. Finland is the next Venezuela.
Do you even know what a communist is
I literally live in East Europe so yeah.
At this point, I can only conclude that you don't have the full picture or your purposefully divert attention with your comment. So, I guess better research the whole picture before posting these one-sided and faaaaar tooo specific opinions by unproven sources
Well, let's hear you out, Bernie Sanders. Do you have anything to back that up, or is this just your word? Because I usually base all my opinions on your point of view, but let's change it just this one time.
Perfect reply! Oh, that's what I like to see in a reply! Thanks for that, it's much better than the previous opinion from Sanders...
Now, it looks believable. I like stats. Now, we can figure out in depth why this is happening. Was this the same place that farmers tried to boycott in recent years? Is Finland sitting on sustainable agriculture that they plan to strangle through their economy? Is their plan for restricting the public aligning to the "great reset"?
Anyway, I don't know how we got here from a post against the US economy, but THANKS a lot for that new information. I did a 10-sec search and it gave out nothing, so I gave up initially, but that clearly deserves a better look. The west is crumbling because of fake restrictions from covid or the fake war with Russia... I wonder what the motive is here...
The problem is insurance companies jacking the price,
so they can be the avenue of discount.
Finally a truthful comment! Yes, this is the actual reason for the high prices! Sorry, but I can do nothing more than upvote your comment.
I had some info on how to lower the price: If you call the medical institution that bills you and ask them about the specific payment and why is that so high, they will usually divert the question to asking less money from you. This is real, I know for instance one of the replies was "then how much can you pay?". Clearly showing that they pull the prices out of the as*es.
Love such comments! Simple. Straight to the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeDOQpfaUc8
I watched it, but I cannot agree with their statement, in under 2 minutes in the video, - "Politicians are NOT involved..."... Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB3imWlPTKE - Here's a video, under 2 minutes, that show... let's say a conflict of interests... Who dictates the words from the mainstream media?
But politicians are not involved? Really? ... Big Pharma would suffocate without the politicians to supply the air... In reality, you cannot sue Big Pharma for injecting the death shot in you... But you can sue the doctor, who injected you... ?!?
Dig deeper on the topic. The more you dig, the more you will uncover on the topic.
I agree that it's not perfect. I do agree that the problem is insurance manipulation
Jacking the price because they have very small competition and we as consumers have no choices.
I can imagine all the ceos sitting around some big oak table at some fancy retreat somewhere, all standing up when they hear about obamacare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CiEihU3o5o
Something like this I imagine.
Everyone pays as much for heathcare. The difference is that the world hides the costs in their governments and Americans drop it on those that use it.
Nope. Healthcare in the US is much more expensive then anywhere else.
Nope. Not if you look at spend thats not classified as health care in other countries, but is in the US.
Simple example: All those admins that do random paperwork but dont see a patient? Thats not healthcare, its general administrative in the government. Boom, "cheaper" healthcare as reported to the populace on spending charts.
Theres hundreds of more things like this that arent counted as healthcare in other countries but is in the US because health care facilities have to recoup those costs instead of having a never ending slush fund available to them.
All you have to do is tear apart the UN reports that try to rationalize the spend as healthcare cost per person.
I find that hard to believe.
In other countries where the money is somewhat held accountable, I highly doubt they are paying 50$ for one tongue depressor.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/hidden-hospital-costs/
If you have insurance, the companies bargain with the hospitals for better prices. Walk off the street barely above minimum wage with no insurance and your gonna get raped.
I noticed no stories about canada. Canada is a special sort of fucked. The government hates that the taxpayers have free healthcare so they are purposely under training, under funding, just straight up fucking good doctors.
I thought american healthcare was fucked. And the one girl at the beginning thinks its so cute that no one sues anyone. That works both ways. When people arent held liable to a minimum standard, people die, and shoulders are shrugged. No one cares, because no one is held liable.
In my case you know, poison me with freon, deny me medical care. Then on top of that they lie and cover the entire thing up. This is what they consider healthcare here? Its obvious they want people to die, only then will people be ok with paying twice for the same shitty subpar service. Once through taxes, then twice through insurance.
What the fuck is the point of free healthcare if people cant get it when they need it?
Dont even get me started on the mental care in canada, its fucking non existent. WCB telling me to see a psychologist. HAHA people who are fucking SUICIDAL cant even get the help they need unless they wait years. Fucking pathetic.
Those numbers are fake and no one pays them.
If you walk in off the street and dont have insurance, you arent seen. They will give you the location of a nearby "free clinic". The only place that will see you is the ER and even then, its not that price.
The $15 for tylenol is the rate they list as "retail". When your insurance "knocks it down" to $1, they then us that data to boast to companies to join their plan because they saved as a total average 50% (or whatever).
Now, lets say you fell and broke a hip and went to the ER and got treated without insurance. They send you a bill with these "retail rates" as they are contractually required to do (because the insurance companies want things to seem extremely expensive, remember). But then you call and go "I make $12 a month sucking quarters out of vending machines, lets setup a super low payment!" They will and are required to take $5/month forever and never collect on those bills. And, if you are savvy enough to complain about $15 for your pill, they'll take 30-50% off on the phone - usually without even the theater of talking to a manager.
This is like a store having a TV for $100, then raising it to $150 the 45 days before boxing day and then advertising the "33% discount" for the holiday when it's $99.99. The tv was never $150, except to a few idiots who bought on from November 15 to December 25.
It's a racket. Insurance companies are the reason for $50 tongue-depressors.
What you're describing is proof of it being a racket.
Yes. It's one of the many rackets approved and enforced by the American government.
What?
US "healthcare" is the worst in the world. That's why they get asians and indians as medical professionals.
And what does any of that have to do with the occluded costs of nonUS care?
By the way, if you actually had experience in US health care, youd know how easy it is to get white bread health professionals if you really care about that.
Wtf is "white bread health professionals"?
Well, you clearly never saw the video to ask such a stupid question... :D A US citizen I guess? Hey, I have something for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6t8KmYqKlk
I guess everything in the US seems good if you don't know basic math, or basic history, or basic logic... :( I refuse to believe US citizens are as dumb as you are. You must be a shill. :D
You claim I'm ignorant when you dont even know the basics of US care? You dont even seem to have done any research on claims from the UN or country governments.
Your retorts have been fact-free and evasive.
And, by the by, your evidence of youth being dumb as rocks is near universal. The beeb has this same game going back decades in the UK. Ive also seen French and German shows that are similar. I even recall plato or socrates calling the youth of their day lazy lackwits. Ill go out on a limb- all youth from all generations have a period when they are dumb as rocks.
You talk a lot out of your ass.
I presented evidence. Can YOU present evidence that French or German students are stupid? Because you can't. :D
Just make sure to talk out of your ass again and wonder why everyone treat you like a fart... :D I guess you are an American? :D
The healthcare system continues the hijacking that Rockefeller did to the AMA many decades ago. The system is terribly corrupt and also has in bed with big pharma since at least the 1960s. Doctors routinely are bribed by pharma sales reps too.
Nah, the monstrosity that got most of its research at the start from the unethical experiments from nazi germany. Tell me it aint so.
That's the pharma side, and it too is bad. But it is well documented about Rockefeller and his setting up the AMA as a profitable monopoly. He had thugs and I know of one case where it was rumored he had an early innovator murdered.
And while our Govt rapes us with financial taxes, compare how much in taxes the Govt of those nations steal from those citizens who claim their healthcare is cheaper. What else are they giving up for their false sense of cheaper healthcare? NO nation has citizens who ARENT being fucked over by their Govt, each nation just has devised its own implementation of how they fool citizens into not realizing it.
Well, the point is that US citizens are fked the most or at least top 3 regarding healthcare. That's another comment that has the intention "keep your head down", "don't compare to others, because they are all bad". That's true but when you need insulin and you get to a US hospital and you put yourself in debt just for your health is vastly different than Europe's affordable prices for a life-saving medication like insulin.
Basically, I am saying "The US healthcare is very close to deep black color, to say that metaphorically about their system". You say "But many colors have some black in it". Then I say "You lack perception and the whole picture to make an accurate evaluation". Clear enough?
This is what all my US citizen students finally understand after a year or two of studies outside USA and having to use those basic systems (like healthcare, outside USA):
Gee, what a novel idea - more than one strategy can give useful results. The costs and benefits are just slightly differently distributed.
The biggest lie Americans are told is the notion of "american exceptionalism". Nothing exceptional about USA, except perhaps in military industrial complex spending, where it reigns supreme.
Still, USA is "good as it is" and many like it. Some like some other countries / systems. Funny that, people like different things.
I want to be most place but here very often.
What was your last job?
""Tell us you like whining and whining, without telling us you like whinging, and whining""....
Part One....
That's a very low bar, even for you. The devil is disappointed in your work. Send some shill that is better prepared, please.
Finland literally went bankrupt because of its expensive healthcare system.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/03/finland-government-collapses-over-universal-health-care-costs-bernie2020-hardest-hit/
I have a problem with people, who use "literally" incorrectly... Even you might've noticed that they didn't "literally" go bankrupt.
Anyway, I am not defending Finland, but your argument is to show who is worse than already terrible USA robbing their own citizens when they need basic health care... That's fk'd up.
The idea of the post is for US citizens to be aware of the scam that is their own healthcare system. Not who is sh*ttier in Europe... I guess the UK are leading in obesity, but we just call that "The West".
Also, bernie sanders tweets? That's what your argument stands on? I guess you never saw how he defends the communist system... Do you even know what a communist is? Would you be happy with a leader that ruins your country and then states "well, in Finland is worse"??? :D Sorry, laughed at my own comment on that last one.. :D
At this point, I can only conclude that you don't have the full picture or your purposefully divert attention with your comment. So, I guess better research the whole picture before posting these one-sided and faaaaar tooo specific opinions by unproven sources. Also, don't use "literally" incorrectly. :D Sorry, that was way too easy. Keep digging!
It's practically bankrupt. Finland is the next Venezuela.
I literally live in East Europe so yeah.
I literally have 1st hand experience.
Well, let's hear you out, Bernie Sanders. Do you have anything to back that up, or is this just your word? Because I usually base all my opinions on your point of view, but let's change it just this one time.
Finland's healthcare is bankrupt
https://yle.fi/a/74-20011088
Finland is more indebted than ever before
https://www.statista.com/statistics/328358/national-debt-of-finland-in-relation-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp/
Perfect reply! Oh, that's what I like to see in a reply! Thanks for that, it's much better than the previous opinion from Sanders...
Now, it looks believable. I like stats. Now, we can figure out in depth why this is happening. Was this the same place that farmers tried to boycott in recent years? Is Finland sitting on sustainable agriculture that they plan to strangle through their economy? Is their plan for restricting the public aligning to the "great reset"?
Anyway, I don't know how we got here from a post against the US economy, but THANKS a lot for that new information. I did a 10-sec search and it gave out nothing, so I gave up initially, but that clearly deserves a better look. The west is crumbling because of fake restrictions from covid or the fake war with Russia... I wonder what the motive is here...