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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage.- Tao - is this why they destroyed the family ?
posted 2 years ago by Helloworld0 2 years ago by Helloworld0 +39 / -0

Modern people have no strength, courage, conviction, higher virtue, honor, real identity, purpose/meaning, heritage etc. They have nothing they would fight for - or more importantly build towards.

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– Graphenium 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

So nothing from the tao te ching? Oy vey

“Taoist sexual books” = nothing to do with taoism, unless you think that Dan Brown novels about Jesus’ offspring are “christian sexual books”

a 4th-century Taoist alchemist

You’re referencing shit written literally over 1,000 years after the founding of taoism. That’s retarded.

That’s like saying tranny Baptist pastors in 2023 invalidates the New Testament.

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– deleted 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0
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– Graphenium 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Hey man, I’ve likewise enjoyed much of what I’ve seen you post, if my comments have come accros as rude, it’s only because, idk, it “hurts” to see someone who can otherwise come to rational and interesting conclusions coming to such a faulty one in this case.

I know exactly what you’re talking about in terms of the rank selfishness we can observe in some aspects of modern chinese culture, but I think it actually comes from a source which is in opposition to taoism, namely confucianism (made worse by the depravation endured under communism). Here are a few paragraphs which I think should help explain what I mean:

Generally speaking, whereas Daoism embraces nature and what is natural and spontaneous in human experience, even to the point of dismissing much of China’s advanced culture, learning, and morality, Confucianism regards human social institutions—including the family, the school, the community, and the state—as essential to human flourishing and moral excellence, because they are the only realm in which those achievements, as Confucius conceived them, are possible.

https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-difference-between-daoism-and-confucianism

Mozi tried to replace what he considered to be the long-entrenched Chinese ideal of strong attachments to family and clan structures with the concept of "impartial caring" or "universal love" (兼愛, jiān ài). He argued directly against Confucians, who had philosophized that it was natural and correct for people to care about different people in different degrees. Mozi, in contrast, argued that people in principle should care for all people equally, a notion that philosophers in other schools found absurd, as they interpreted this notion as implying no special amount of care or duty towards one's parents and family.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozi

Honestly, I see where you’re coming from, I just think you’ve set your targets on the wrong thing.

Please, give the tao te ching a glance when you’ve got a minute. I guarantee, the last thing you’ll find is justification for selfishness:

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Tao_Te_Ching

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

Since there is no defined canon of Taoism, it's not the case that later commentaries do not undermine or alter the meaning of the original work.

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– Graphenium 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

Taoism, as an experiential philosophy, actively rejects the unquestioned validity of any “commentary” or later work. Thus, unlike with papal edicts, the “official story” can’t change, because there is no official story. That’s the point.

Besides, to which Unassailable Christian Canon do you refer? The Catholic (including the diadeche)? The Mormon? The Ethiopian?

The Ethiopians got it right, according to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

"Lao Tzu I don't mean no disrespect, but you need to fill your bowl with some shit that makes some sense."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_RO-jL-90

I am not referring specifically to any religion, only that certain religions, or denominations, have defined canon. Because Taoism doesn't, any later commentary can have as almost much authoritative weight as the original. Or depending on how someone is introduced to the practice of Taoism, great experiential influence.

(And the Dead Sea Scrolls, maybe you don't know this, confirmed the translations from the Septuagint and thus Jerome's Latin Vulgate, but that's another story.)

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– Graphenium 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Maybe you don’t know, but the DSS contain the book of Enoch, which is only included in the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon.

I guess they were right and everyone else was wrong huh? That’s how canons work right? Lmfao

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– Graphenium 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Because Taoism doesn't, any later commentary can have as almost much authoritative weight as the original.

Wrong.

Taoism = Tao Te Ching

A single book.

If I said “taoism is about monkeys with unicorn horns”, that doesn’t mean anything and only a fucking retard would say “well I guess the lack of a canon and official body makes THAT TRUE”

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